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The Perfect Vehicle
« on: September 10, 2006, 08:04:24 AM »
A friend lent me 'The Perfect Vehicle' by Melissa Holbrook Pierson. Anyone read it? It's about her musings on motorcycling and her Moto Guzzis. She seems to like them but they always seem to keep breaking down. Nothing new there then. I found it quite enjoyable and it's honestly written but a bit intense at times. She seems to be slightly dotty but, hey, who isn't  :)
Can anyone recommend any other books about motorcycling?
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 08:28:10 AM »
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.

I've never read the book all the way through, but others have found it had a profound influence on their life (no kidding!)

The basics:  A father and son take an old Honda and ride cross country (or some other reasonably long road trip on the bike).  I think the bike is a Honda dream or similar bike!  Like 350cc for two up major roadtrip!   

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Oh yeah, there is also the book by the English gentleman who rode all around the world in the '70s.  He did it again 20 or 30 years later!  The actor Ewan McGregor was moved enough after reading the book that he is now doing the same trip and filming it as a documentary.  Can't remember the name of the book though..  Someone else here will know.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 08:51:46 AM »
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.

I've never read the book all the way through, but others have found it had a profound influence on their life (no kidding!)

The basics:  A father and son take an old Honda and ride cross country (or some other reasonably long road trip on the bike).  I think the bike is a Honda dream or similar bike!  Like 350cc for two up major roadtrip!   

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The bike Robert Pirsig and his son rode in "Zen" was a CB77 305 Hawk.

You can also read the book online:

http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/index.html

This is Robert Pirsigs own photos from that trip:

http://ww2.usca.edu/ResearchProjects/ProfessorGurr/gallery/Pictures-Robert-Pirsigs-original-1968-trip

More about the book:

http://ww2.usca.edu/ResearchProjects/ProfessorGurr/



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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 09:02:25 AM »
Man, it blows me away that they made that trip with 305cc!  2-up and heavily loaded too!!
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 12:17:06 PM »
You can watch the documentary or read Ewan and Charlie's book about the trip around the world on a bike. The DVD and the book is called Long Way Around. The book is good, but the documentary is awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 01:12:32 PM »
Oh yeah, there is also the book by the English gentleman who rode all around the world in the '70s.  He did it again 20 or 30 years later! 

Ted Simon, 'Jupiters travels'.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 01:56:56 PM »
I haven't read 'Jupiter's Travels' - sounds good. I'll get a copy. I have read 'Zen' a few years ago after getting only halfway through when I was much younger. I really enjoyed the parts to do with biking and his story with his son but I really couldn't get my head round the philosophy. I read it all quite closely but it seemed to have a fair few contradictions which made me 'lose faith' with him. No mention of modern philosophers such as Wittgenstein whose interest in language would seem to be right up Persig's street and quite relevant. This 'Metaphysics of Quality' stuff came over as erudite bullsh@t although I believe some academic who is a fan has started a course on him at Liverpool University. (No Scouse jokes).
I've heard of MacGregor and Boorman's trip but not read the book - I'll find that one too.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 04:44:46 PM »
I have read 'Zen' a few years ago after getting only halfway through when I was much younger. I really enjoyed the parts to do with biking and his story with his son but I really couldn't get my head round the philosophy. I read it all quite closely but it seemed to have a fair few contradictions which made me 'lose faith' with him. No mention of modern philosophers such as Wittgenstein whose interest in language would seem to be right up Persig's street and quite relevant. This 'Metaphysics of Quality' stuff came over as erudite bullsh@t although I believe some academic who is a fan has started a course on him at Liverpool University. (No Scouse jokes).


You can't use western logic if you wan't to understand Pirsigs book. I'm a fan of his books, but I'm not an academic.  8)

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2006, 04:53:47 PM »
right on, chris.

it's books such as pirsig's that began to affect mass culture and enlighten them to another path - a path that doesn't lead to the endless spiral of linear argument and the same tired old war of words that western style philosophers have been using to score with nerd chicks (and young impressionable boys) for centuries...

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 08:45:40 AM »
thanks for the rec EHL - it's on it's way to my office now...
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 10:29:48 AM »
You can watch the documentary or read Ewan and Charlie's book about the trip around the world on a bike. The DVD and the book is called Long Way Around. The book is good, but the documentary is awesome.

I'm not trying to corrcet you in any way but it's the "Long Way Round"

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 11:05:18 AM »
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I'm not trying to corrcet you in any way but it's the "Long Way Round"

I'm not trying to correct you in any way but it's "correct"... ;D
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 11:58:29 AM »
Maybe 'erudite bullsh@t' was uncalled for :). He's a very clever man and I enjoyed the book a lot. I know I couldn't write anything like it and, as my old sculpture teacher said, 'Don't criticise unless you are damn sure you can do better". But some things just drove me mad in the book however, such as his use of the term 'Quality'. To me and everyone else I know 'quality' has to have a qualifier like 'good quality', 'bad quality', etc. and is not an absolute. It is meaningless without a qualifying adjective. I assumed he meant good or fine quality. But he never really said and he seemed to assume you would know what he meant. That kind of thing sort of summed up the book for me - loads of really interesting ideas and looks at other views on life and how to think about it but none of it quite hanging together.
The ending when he makes a connection with his son was by far the most affecting part for me.
Other people get a lot out of the book at a deeper level so I'm probably just a bit slow ;D  Probably need to read it again. Sigh.
 'Chasing Che' sounds good. Is that about Che Guevarra and his ride with his friend that opened his eyes to the injustices of South American society. If it is they made a film about called "Motorcycle Diaries".
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 02:30:05 PM »
Hell's Angels    by Hunter S. Thompson

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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2006, 03:08:19 PM »
Hell's Angels    by Hunter S. Thompson
From back in the good-ole days.  You know, when LSD was legal...  :o

That was an interesting read. Could have done without the graphic description of how they get their 'wings' tho'!
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2006, 06:40:19 PM »
Don't forget Investment Biker by Wall Street guru Jimmy Rogers.  He and his squeeze make a trip around the world on BMW's under the pretense of looking for investment opportunities.  The book is more about finding countries friendly to investors than motorcycles, but you can't make a trip like that without some stories to tell.  I remember his tires failing because of long, straight, blistering hot roads in Australia and an encounter with Shining Path guerillas in Peru.

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2006, 08:14:19 AM »
The short of it is that Mr. Symmes retraces Guevara & his best friend's journey through South America. They made the trip on a beat to #$%* Norton, Symmes prefers the BMW R/80

Aren't we lucky that we already live on a continent with so many exploration opportunities.....
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2006, 08:22:30 PM »
I'm reading Peter Egan's "Leaning" right now. It's a collection of articles and columns that he's written for Cycle World over the years.  It's pretty good so far, and there are quite a few SOHC4 stories.
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 05:32:14 AM »
coincidentally i was thumbing through this book the other day at the bookstore.  seemed pretty good, but didn't buy it.

did just finish zen and the art of again. great, but long. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2006, 09:22:14 AM »
I tried for about 2 yrs before I could get through the first two chapters of Zen.
After that it wasnt such a bad book. Its just the beginning thats hard work.
Didnt Ted Simon (Jupiters Travels) serialise his trip in MCN  back in the late 70's while he was doing it ( British readers only I think?)
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2006, 09:24:44 AM »
After that it wasnt such a bad book. Its just the beginning thats hard work.

actually i thought the middle-near end were the hardest.  when you start getting into kant/hume/ and all the pre-aristotle greeks.  there are some crazy concepts to get your head around in the beginning, but the whole "prove that something exists other than describing it with your senses" part is a little heady.

but i like that.

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much better the second time through....i'm excited for the third.
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2006, 05:03:32 PM »
Hey Ibsen!

THANKS so much for those links.  I read "Zen" several times in HS and college.  I thought it was not only a good story (which "Lila" was not), but one of the best contemporary works on philosophical inqiry.  The psychiatric element was intriguing, and sad.  I often used bits from the book in my own teaching.  I still talk about the effect he had on students (panic!  :o) when he didn't give simplistic letter grades.  Those links are like some kind of completion of a puzzle for me, after many years.

Thanks again.  That was very cool.
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Re: The Perfect Vehicle
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2006, 07:20:17 PM »
Just by way of commentary; I wouldn't read "Zen" anticipating anything to do with motorcycles really.
For some reason the author of "Leanings" bugs me a bit and I find myself resisting the book... some analysis is in order.

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2006, 05:24:34 AM »
Just by way of commentary; I wouldn't read "Zen" anticipating anything to do with motorcycles really.

true.
there's a bit, but not much and usually it's only there to illustrate some other point.
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