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Over the winter…spokes...
« on: September 10, 2006, 05:37:21 PM »

During the winter months, I plan on having my rims respoked.  I am looking for a reputable place to have it done.  Any suggestions?  Buchanan’s will do it for:

Lace & True wheels (labor) $184
Mount Tires & Balance Wheels (labor) $104
SS Spokes & Nipples for Front Wheel $84
SS Spokes & Nipples for Rear Wheel $100

Total: $472  without shipping

Yes, I said nipples… twice :P

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 05:40:00 PM »

During the winter months, I plan on having my rims respoked. I am looking for a reputable place to have it done. Any suggestions? Buchanan’s will do it for:

Lace & True wheels (labor) $184
Mount Tires & Balance Wheels (labor) $104
SS Spokes & Nipples for Front Wheel $84
SS Spokes & Nipples for Rear Wheel $100

Total: $472 without shipping

Yes, I said nipples… twice :P

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 05:45:14 PM »
do you have new rims?

some shops will not relace or true old rims because of liability issues - it's just something to ask when you call them...
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 05:45:19 PM »
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Yes, you are correct sir.  Any help on the spoke idea?

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 05:46:36 PM »
do you have new rims?

some shops will not relace or true old rims because of liability issues - it's just something to ask when you call them...

Really???, damn... I was intending on using the stock rims, they are in excellent condition.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 05:47:03 PM »
well, i mean call - it's worth trying...

and if they will do it for you anyway then count yourself blessed...i am on re-spoke nightmare number 5, yes FIVE, right now and i have to buy new nuts because they are starting to deform...

i haven't ridden in three weeks... :-[
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2006, 05:48:57 PM »
sparty, you know as much as I know. Buchanons is high. I am watching in hopes of finding something out on your thread.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 05:54:46 PM »
well, i mean call - it's worth trying...

and if they will do it for you anyway then count yourself blessed...i am on re-spoke nightmare number 5, yes FIVE, right now and i have to buy new nuts because they are starting to deform...

i haven't ridden in three weeks... :-[

What happened?  I went three weeks without my ride during prime weather; I drank a lot of good beer and just polished the snot out of every piece of aluminum I could reach.  It blows, I know...

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 06:08:24 PM »
heres a guy on ebay that i just found who claims he will lace and true your hubs. I have a question in to him right now to lace and true some 17's for me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-78-CB750-K-SOHC-Custom-Rear-Wheel-CB-750-18-cafe_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35601QQihZ006QQitemZ160028435436QQrdZ1

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2006, 06:10:53 PM »
heres a guy on ebay that i just found who claims he will lace and true your hubs. I have a question in to him right now to lace and true some 17's for me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-78-CB750-K-SOHC-Custom-Rear-Wheel-CB-750-18-cafe_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35601QQihZ006QQitemZ160028435436QQrdZ1

They look pretty #$%*in' to me.  Let me know what you discover...

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2006, 06:45:20 PM »
wow i need mine done also but my rims are pitted pretty bad i think i"llbe buying rims spokes and having all the labor costs as well :(
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2006, 11:05:26 PM »
i have to buy new nuts because they are starting to deform...

all of a sudden saying "nipples" doesnt seem so bad

i wouldnt wish three weeks of no riding on anyone- my best wishes for a speedy recovery
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 12:22:10 AM »
Buy your spokes from David Silver about $50 and do the job yourself. One days work and you won't miss much riding.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 08:44:06 AM »
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i have to buy new nuts because they are starting to deform...

all of a sudden saying "nipples" doesnt seem so bad

i wouldnt wish three weeks of no riding on anyone- my best wishes for a speedy recovery

oy veh. did i step into that one or what...all the way up over my wellies...  ;D
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 09:22:18 AM »
you mean all the way up to your deformed nuts?

ok ill stop now
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2006, 09:31:10 AM »
I would second the DIY route.  In the process of installing old spokes/deciding to go with new ones, I have
laced and relaced 6 times.  It's really not that hard. Get two dial indicators from Harbor Freight to set wobble
and runout and you'll be all set.  Take pictures of the lacing arrangement before and after to compare.

Its sorta like working on carbs...you don't think you can do it till you try.  Take the money you save and buy
something else nice for the bike.  You will save enough for stainless spokes by DIY'ing it.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2006, 09:39:11 AM »
yes. i need to get some three-legged hip waders at this point...

i third the DIY route...as frustrating as it has been it's totally worth it.
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2006, 09:46:22 AM »
yes. i need to get some three-legged hip waders at this point...

i third the DIY route...as frustrating as it has been it's totally worth it.

I've got some potentially stupid, wheel newbie-ish questions..  I've just levered on my rear tire, and stupidly decided to wait until the tire was already mounted to check for true on that rim.  Runout is not really noticable..  I got lucky with that.  BUT, there is about 1mm of hop to the rim.  SO:  Should I ignore the hop which is probably just barely within the realm of acceptable?  Will this hop wear my new tire into an out-of-round shape?

I've never trued a motorcycle rim before.  Would practicing on a bicycle rim do any good as far as practice is concerned?  Or is it an entirely different deal?  Also, am I a fool to leave the tire on the rim when trying to tweak out that 1mm hop?  Does removing the tire after it has been installed put too much wear and tear on the tire?

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Oh yeah, almost forgot..  The wheel hop:  I've been trying to read up on wheel trueing.  One guy suggests for a hop, tighten on the high side, loosen on the other side.  I definately can see tightening on the high side to pull the rim back into true.  BUT- do I really want to loosed the other side of the rim, when it is already good?  I'd much rather just try to pull the rim back into line where it is out!
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2006, 09:51:13 AM »
I suspect the tire itself is not within 1 mm of true.  How did you measure the "hop" with
the tire on the rim?

I think if you use lots of soap, r and r'ing the tire doesn't hurt it....eventually scratches the
rim though.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2006, 09:56:45 AM »
I suspect the tire itself is not within 1 mm of true.  How did you measure the "hop" with
the tire on the rim?

I think if you use lots of soap, r and r'ing the tire doesn't hurt it....eventually scratches the
rim though.

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I used the time honered method of the WD-40 can with the straw in it, pointing at the edge of rim inside surface (facing the hub).  So, I didn't have an actual runout gauge or anything, but it appears very close to 1 mm.  That was another question I had- are tires this close to spec?  Perhaps not, and hopefully that's OK..  I need to put my chain on, and double check my wheel bearings too, and then I'm just gonna run it and see what happens.
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2006, 10:02:07 AM »
....a great idea. I think you're OK.

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2006, 10:33:29 AM »
in my convo with the wheel tech he quoted me 11/100ths of an inch as being "acceptable" runout...

this is why he didn't even want to entertain my scabby old rims. he would only deal with brand new rims.

i am going to go the same route as you, basically, putnaja - that is do my best, mount it up and ride it...if it causes unacceptable wobble i'm going to have to rethink purchasing new rims. i have a pretty big, i guess, flat spot on mine from a pothole or something...
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2006, 11:30:21 AM »
This is a job that I am contemplating on the Norton. If the rims are in good shape, how hard can it be to rplace the spokes one at a time....? If that is in fact possible...
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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2006, 12:22:58 PM »
The spokes that go through from the outside and exit the inside of the hub cannot be
removed without removing the outter ones first.  That's why you put all the innee's in and
then the outtee's when you relace. Go look at your wheel and you will see.  ;)

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Re: Over the winter…spokes...
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2006, 01:01:12 PM »
The spokes that go through from the outside and exit the inside of the hub cannot be
removed without removing the outter ones first.  That's why you put all the innee's in and
then the outtee's when you relace. Go look at your wheel and you will see.  ;)
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Thanks Jim. I guess that should have been obvious to me since I just read an article on wheel re-building. D'uh!!
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