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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #300 on: June 16, 2015, 06:12:22 PM »
Just found this while voting BOTM. Nice to see another member in the Philippines. Working on my 750p7 since 3 years now and still not finished. Im located in Bohol,Cabilao Island. Nice bike you have,i give you my vote.Good luck.
before:
Kreidler RMC(50cc)
CB400N(first bike)
RD350LC(more than one)
XS850(great bike)
CB900F(wish i still have it)
FZR1000(too fast)
Rickman CR900(sold for a good price)
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Rusi 125
CB 125 CL(just for fun)
Yamaha XTZ 125
CB750P7(mystery bike)
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New guy, first build
« Reply #301 on: June 16, 2015, 06:21:02 PM »
Just found this while voting BOTM. Nice to see another member in the Philippines. Working on my 750p7 since 3 years now and still not finished. Im located in Bohol,Cabilao Island. Nice bike you have,i give you my vote.Good luck.

Kababayan! Thanks for the good words, man im sure you share the challenges of sourcing parts good luck with your build. Some nice cafes and restorations coming out of cebu.
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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #302 on: June 17, 2015, 06:41:04 AM »
Amaaazing build, and great craftsmanship!!

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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #303 on: June 21, 2015, 06:31:19 PM »
Yes your right,getting parts is a PITA and the customs tax eat you alive. But thats part of the game,since i have most of my parts needed im good with this. Do you know where to get a carb sync tool here in the phills?? Thats the only thing missing so far. Was searching online but can only find it abroad. What clearcoat you use on your tank?? Rattlecan??

greetings from Bohol

Uwe
before:
Kreidler RMC(50cc)
CB400N(first bike)
RD350LC(more than one)
XS850(great bike)
CB900F(wish i still have it)
FZR1000(too fast)
Rickman CR900(sold for a good price)
now:
Rusi 125
CB 125 CL(just for fun)
Yamaha XTZ 125
CB750P7(mystery bike)
77/78 cool 2 member

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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #304 on: June 21, 2015, 11:05:32 PM »

Yes your right,getting parts is a PITA and the customs tax eat you alive. But thats part of the game,since i have most of my parts needed im good with this. Do you know where to get a carb sync tool here in the phills?? Thats the only thing missing so far. Was searching online but can only find it abroad. What clearcoat you use on your tank?? Rattlecan??

greetings from Bohol

Uwe

Uwe, ive not seen a carb synch tool locally. Maybe in the better stocked automotive stores in chinatown here in manila. Im in need of one too actually. I have access to one in my friends shop, but an alternative is to DIY a simplified manometer as another member has suggested (google/youtube). I tried rattlecan, melted off the second gas touched it! I used anzal clear but i dont expect it to last as theres no primer base for good adhesion. But fuel resistance is good. I left the surface a bit rough sanded for some tooth for the clear.


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #305 on: June 21, 2015, 11:12:15 PM »
Hmmm,so i guess the only way is amazon or ebay for the carb tool. dont want to make one by myself. Customstax here i come,hahaha. I was thinking to stay with bare metal on the tank but the clearcoat tend to become yellow-ish over time so i will go with flat black. Thanks for the info.

cheers

Uwe
before:
Kreidler RMC(50cc)
CB400N(first bike)
RD350LC(more than one)
XS850(great bike)
CB900F(wish i still have it)
FZR1000(too fast)
Rickman CR900(sold for a good price)
now:
Rusi 125
CB 125 CL(just for fun)
Yamaha XTZ 125
CB750P7(mystery bike)
77/78 cool 2 member

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« Reply #306 on: July 12, 2015, 01:32:33 AM »
So, to get to my malfuctioning cam chain tension screw wich went lost-thread on me i had to pull the top end...again wasnt as much drama as i had anticipated. BUT i did notice though that the tops of my pistons were moist with oil. Plugs were now oil-fouled too.

Possible suspects:
-rings (cruzinimage 3 mm over kit)
-valves (new valve seals, and home lap-job)

Suggested steps to finding the culprit? Is it supposed to be bone dry or is some measure of oily film to be expected in there? The now oil fouled plugs are suspect though. Not a lotta miles on this, just up and down the street post-rebuild.


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« Reply #307 on: July 12, 2015, 07:25:57 AM »
I like the idea that it hasnt run hot  enough/long enough wasnt getting any smoke from exhaust though so im a bit puzzled. Will read up and see what i come up with. Compression test would mean id have to button it back up  before i could trouble shoot though. Guess these oldies are a constant work in progress and exercise in maitenance


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #308 on: July 17, 2015, 11:52:19 AM »
Doin more reading before undoing any bolts. The e-manual i've downloaded is a pdf of a photocopied munual, the pictures arent too clear. Any downloads with clearer pictures out there?
if you are still looking for a good pdf you can get one here. http://hondacaferacers.com/category/home/all-technical/cb550-tech/
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« Reply #309 on: July 31, 2015, 01:36:36 AM »
Idle hands while waiting for a new base gasket. Fab'd up a headlight rock grill. ...You know, for when im riding my cafe offroad


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #310 on: July 31, 2015, 09:37:37 AM »
I like it!
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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #311 on: July 31, 2015, 11:59:37 AM »
You have some serious fabrication skills, dude.  Very nice.
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« Reply #312 on: July 31, 2015, 04:50:48 PM »
I like it!
You have some serious fabrication skills, dude.  Very nice.
thanks. Its just for looks. Takes less than an hr. Only ard part is not burning the wire when you weld the grill to the outer ring.
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« Reply #313 on: August 10, 2015, 02:09:00 AM »
Had some kinks to work out on my build so it's sat for a bit. Back on it now.

Ive got the fuel delivery issue with the carbs sorted, re-bench synched, cam chain tensioner bolt is now doing its job and the top end is back in one piece after all that. Starts on first go but the revs race up to about 3,500-4000 k on idle. Idle screw is backed out. Any ideas?

I guess im real lean still?


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #314 on: August 10, 2015, 02:11:11 AM »
Additionally im getting some oil leakage now out of the clutch adjustment screw/nut. Any suggested fixes?


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #315 on: August 10, 2015, 07:26:25 AM »
Cal,
You mean theyre supposed ro be closed all the way?! I thought the whole point of a bench synch was to get that "opening" even on all 4 carbs ive been using a smalll drill bit to set it even across the four carbs. Am i off on the wrong track?

Just discovered why i may be getting some oil there on that screw/nut... Its gone lost thread. Cant tighten the nut. Argh. When will this BS end?!


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« Reply #316 on: August 10, 2015, 05:48:22 PM »

When bench synching, they are open just a bit, but the idle screw should close them all the way. If they're too open at throttle "closed", then your idle will be very high, just like the throttle were open. Make sense?

Ahhh. Ok, i think ive been skipping an important basic part! Screwing the idle screw down first THEN setting an even "opening" and screwing the idle back out after. Correct? guess i just lucked out the first time i put it together and got it running  ...well i guess the carbs are coming off again. Haha. What joy.


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« Reply #317 on: August 16, 2015, 02:31:45 AM »
Ok, redid bench synch to ensure fully closed slides (well theres a sliver of a gap). Engine still races to 3,500 on idle. It starts out ok and sits at about 1k rpm, then starts to race And hang at about 3,500 epecially after its warmed a bit without me touching the throttle.

Tried a coupla things

Read that high idle revs on warm up is a symptom of lean, so i tried raising needle 1 notch (2 grooves shoing ontop now). Didnt really change things. Played with air mix screws at 1 1/4, 1 and 3/4 turns. Not much change at idle. Doesnt need choke to start.

Next suspect is a leak? Any advice on locating a leak?


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #318 on: August 16, 2015, 04:11:27 AM »
Love the fab work exhaust turned out amazing

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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #319 on: August 16, 2015, 10:27:42 PM »

I would not have chased the needle changes yet, but instead inspect for a leak.

Likely sources of vacuum leaks are:
- O-ring under the intake manifold to head
- carb boots to manifold
- carb boots to carb bodies

With bike running, spray some aerosol around the manifold seams and watch for a change in idle. Repeat in each of the locations between airbox and cylinder head. The aerosol should be flammable, like Ether, Starting fluid, etc... Try use a straw on the end to isolate the spray's location.

Yup. Dead end with the needle adjustment, so  it went back to 1 notch showing. On hindsight not needing the choke to start from cold was a clue there. What do you think of an unlit propane torch to check for leaks?

I now have a carb synch tool! so ill see if that helps too. Will go over valve clearances again as well when i get the carbs back on.


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #320 on: August 17, 2015, 11:15:21 PM »
No leaks that i could find with propane or carb cleaner. I got hold of a carb synch so i moved on to trying to see if that changed anything.

-First vid is from a cold start idling noisily at about 1000. Needles are all over the place

-second vid is after it warms up and starts surging to 3000. Needles settle a bit but are uneven. (notice the popping towards the end as it fluctuates without me touching the throttle)

-third vid is after i tried to even out the synch screws. Doesnt settle the surge though.

Right now float levels check out at 3-4 mm below bowl seam. Mix screws are at 1 1/4 from closed. Needle is at 1 groove showing from top. The popping says lean to me but the plugs are sooty and it doesnt like the choke when starting from cold.

Officially stumped



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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #321 on: August 18, 2015, 12:57:05 AM »
Popping and backfiring now. Totally lost. Takin a break


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #322 on: August 18, 2015, 12:25:40 PM »
Paolo

The surge is most likely a lean/airleak issue. As Cal mentioned, you want to have a proper bench sync to start. Just get the slides as low as you can, a tiny gap is fine. You want to get the most operation out of your idle knob as possible; the largest range you can.

Let's try a few things. I know it may seem unlikely but while the bike is idling push and pull the carb rack up and down and see if it changes the idle. If it does then try and tighten up the carb to intake manifold insulator clamps more. Those need to be tighter than you think.

Try putting some tape around your intake filter to restrict some flow, see if things improve on the surging.

I'm sure you posted it before but what jetting are you running?

You have sooty plugs but lean running symptoms. There are many circuits running in the mixture system. You could be lean in one area and rich in another. I will give you some assurance on the sooty plugs though, I have my 550 tuned as best as It's ever been. No popping, sputtering, hesitation, it's a linear and smooth power delivery. I richened up the pilot circuit to achieve this and my plugs will look sooty very quickly if I leave it idling or just put around. When I go for a spirited ride and get to that self cleaning heat range, the plugs turn golden brown. In my opinion, it's the nature of these bikes. Better a bit rich than lean.

Do you have any sets of clean plugs? pop them in and let it idle for a few minutes with a fan, pull them and take a look. Give us an idea if you have a lean pilot circuit.

Report back when you can.



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« Reply #323 on: August 18, 2015, 06:44:36 PM »
Ok, managed to take deep breath and have a beer. Ready to get back into it next chance i get.

Im running 38/100 jets.

Though i wasnt able to detect any leaks with propane or carb cleaner, my buddy who has a bit more experience than me still feels its an air leak somewhere along the manifold junctions, carb side or engine side.

One suspect i have are the o-rings on the manifold to engine side. These were part of a cycle-x gasket kit but i have a wierd suspicion they could be ever so slighly thinner than stock. Ill try n find slightly fatter ones. Im using worm drive band clamps on the carb boots, admitedly these have a limit when you crank down on them. Are the OEM clamps that much better at clamping down on the boots?


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #324 on: August 18, 2015, 07:14:31 PM »
I did see someone mention recently, that if the bands/clamps are too wide, they can distort the rubber and cause air leaks.