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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #350 on: August 17, 2015, 06:00:03 AM »
propane works fine
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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #351 on: August 17, 2015, 11:15:21 PM »
No leaks that i could find with propane or carb cleaner. I got hold of a carb synch so i moved on to trying to see if that changed anything.

-First vid is from a cold start idling noisily at about 1000. Needles are all over the place

-second vid is after it warms up and starts surging to 3000. Needles settle a bit but are uneven. (notice the popping towards the end as it fluctuates without me touching the throttle)

-third vid is after i tried to even out the synch screws. Doesnt settle the surge though.

Right now float levels check out at 3-4 mm below bowl seam. Mix screws are at 1 1/4 from closed. Needle is at 1 groove showing from top. The popping says lean to me but the plugs are sooty and it doesnt like the choke when starting from cold.

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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #352 on: August 18, 2015, 12:57:05 AM »
Popping and backfiring now. Totally lost. Takin a break


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #353 on: August 18, 2015, 12:25:40 PM »
Paolo

The surge is most likely a lean/airleak issue. As Cal mentioned, you want to have a proper bench sync to start. Just get the slides as low as you can, a tiny gap is fine. You want to get the most operation out of your idle knob as possible; the largest range you can.

Let's try a few things. I know it may seem unlikely but while the bike is idling push and pull the carb rack up and down and see if it changes the idle. If it does then try and tighten up the carb to intake manifold insulator clamps more. Those need to be tighter than you think.

Try putting some tape around your intake filter to restrict some flow, see if things improve on the surging.

I'm sure you posted it before but what jetting are you running?

You have sooty plugs but lean running symptoms. There are many circuits running in the mixture system. You could be lean in one area and rich in another. I will give you some assurance on the sooty plugs though, I have my 550 tuned as best as It's ever been. No popping, sputtering, hesitation, it's a linear and smooth power delivery. I richened up the pilot circuit to achieve this and my plugs will look sooty very quickly if I leave it idling or just put around. When I go for a spirited ride and get to that self cleaning heat range, the plugs turn golden brown. In my opinion, it's the nature of these bikes. Better a bit rich than lean.

Do you have any sets of clean plugs? pop them in and let it idle for a few minutes with a fan, pull them and take a look. Give us an idea if you have a lean pilot circuit.

Report back when you can.



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« Reply #354 on: August 18, 2015, 06:44:36 PM »
Ok, managed to take deep breath and have a beer. Ready to get back into it next chance i get.

Im running 38/100 jets.

Though i wasnt able to detect any leaks with propane or carb cleaner, my buddy who has a bit more experience than me still feels its an air leak somewhere along the manifold junctions, carb side or engine side.

One suspect i have are the o-rings on the manifold to engine side. These were part of a cycle-x gasket kit but i have a wierd suspicion they could be ever so slighly thinner than stock. Ill try n find slightly fatter ones. Im using worm drive band clamps on the carb boots, admitedly these have a limit when you crank down on them. Are the OEM clamps that much better at clamping down on the boots?


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #355 on: August 18, 2015, 07:14:31 PM »
I did see someone mention recently, that if the bands/clamps are too wide, they can distort the rubber and cause air leaks.

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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #356 on: August 20, 2015, 06:06:04 PM »
Don't forget to calibrate each of the vacuum gauges before syncing the carbs or you might not get a true sync job.
it starts at 4:00 min mark.


Notice the white dials right below the gauges, they need to be turn down a bit so they don't jump so much

check everything like timing, valve adj, points.
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« Reply #357 on: August 20, 2015, 07:41:13 PM »
Thanks for the tips so far guys. Waiting on some OE style boot clamps and searching for sliiightly fatter manifold o-rings. Knocking off all possible culprits one by one. Will report what i find when its back together.


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #358 on: August 21, 2015, 08:11:47 AM »
This is what i used, works great.
It is the prefect width also.
Also make sure you use a fan to keep the engine cooler when not moving.
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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #359 on: August 21, 2015, 06:16:42 PM »

This is what i used, works great.
It is the prefect width also.
Also make sure you use a fan to keep the engine cooler when not moving.

Good option. Those look good and sturdy. The worm gear clamps i was originally using would eventually slip when you really crank down on them.


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #360 on: August 22, 2015, 07:05:44 PM »
Hey Paolo. Caloocan Sales have the carb Synch tool in stock,analog for 4200,liquid for 7k+. Im with you with the clamps here,still looking for some good ones.If you try to tighten the local ones they slip. Hope you get it sorted out with your carbs.
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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #361 on: August 22, 2015, 11:59:58 PM »
Uwe,  yes i managed to get a hold of a carb synch too. Emgo brand, mid-quality but gets the job done.  If youre not in manila soon, Im planning a trip down to caloocan for some banjo bolts. Let me know if i can help pick up anything there you need and LBC to you in bohol.


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #362 on: August 23, 2015, 08:00:05 PM »
I just order a new batterie from them but they will sent it, thanks anyway for the offer. Guess i will buy the synch tool later,have other things to sort out first. Bike was standing long time so i guess i have to clean the carbs again.
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« Reply #363 on: August 30, 2015, 01:07:29 AM »
Re-imagining a 550 with a fairing, offset headlight, USD's and spokes...idle hands are the devil's playground.


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« Reply #364 on: August 30, 2015, 04:19:16 AM »
Sounds like the start of a beautiful new project, Paolo!
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« Reply #365 on: August 30, 2015, 05:07:42 AM »
Sounds like the start of a beautiful new project, Paolo!


Getting ahead of myself again. Have yet to get my first project running 100% and im already collecting parts for a new build. Learned a lot on the first one, thanks to you guys. Planning something more refined with a bit more budget to it. Bit more "go" along with the "show"


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #366 on: August 30, 2015, 05:21:31 AM »
I like the drawings :)

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« Reply #367 on: August 30, 2015, 05:22:56 AM »

Sounds like the start of a beautiful new project, Paolo!


Getting ahead of myself again. Have yet to get my first project running 100% and im already collecting parts for a new build. Learned a lot on the first one, thanks to you guys. Planning something more refined with a bit more budget to it


Impressive drawing skills!   And I like the design, have you seen the Air Tech website?
(Or would you fab the fairing?!)

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/hondaz/CR7501969-77SINCAM.htm


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« Reply #368 on: August 30, 2015, 05:31:37 AM »

I like the drawings :)

Thanks mirko


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #369 on: August 30, 2015, 05:46:28 AM »


Sounds like the start of a beautiful new project, Paolo!


Getting ahead of myself again. Have yet to get my first project running 100% and im already collecting parts for a new build. Learned a lot on the first one, thanks to you guys. Planning something more refined with a bit more budget to it


Impressive drawing skills!   And I like the design, have you seen the Air Tech website?
(Or would you fab the fairing?!)

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/hondaz/CR7501969-77SINCAM.htm


And that's how it is for most of us, we think about our next project before our current one is done!

Haha, i guess im in the right place my buddy just got set up for aluminum. Thinking of trying my hand at aluminum bodywork. ...well this is a good year or so away. Just collecting parts, little by little. Back to the current project for now.


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« Reply #370 on: August 30, 2015, 06:19:14 AM »
You can do what my son is planning for his tank and seat; making a core from foam, then section inc it into a wooden "fish bone" model. He will use that as the final core for heating a sheet of aluminum to fold/wrap over his wooden frame to help form the alloy. Heated enough, aluminum bends quite easily. Then when it cools, it's very strong and holds it shape very well.

It's an age old technique and then your buddy can planishing hammer it smooth and stretch the rolls and crinkles out. A little coarse sanding, and you're in like Flynn!
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« Reply #371 on: August 30, 2015, 06:27:14 AM »

You can do what my son is planning for his tank and seat; making a core from foam, then section inc it into a wooden "fish bone" model. He will use that as the final core for heating a sheet of aluminum to fold/wrap over his wooden frame to help form the alloy. Heated enough, aluminum bends quite easily. Then when it cools, it's very strong and holds it shape very well.

It's an age old technique and then your buddy can planishing hammer it smooth and stretch the rolls and crinkles out. A little coarse sanding, and you're in like Flynn!

Sounds interesring. Lotta time to think about fabrication techniques. Ill have the benefit of watching how your son's build unfolds Like i said, this ones a looong term project


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Re: New guy, first build
« Reply #372 on: August 30, 2015, 06:42:54 AM »
Paolo,

I, too, like the renderings.  As you start gathering parts and ideas, go ahead and start a new thread.  Things do change, obviously, but it's cool to see how projects evolve over time.
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« Reply #373 on: August 30, 2015, 07:07:03 AM »
Paolo,

It's been clear to me for a while now that you are an artist in steel but you've shown from these drawings that your artistic talent extends to other mediums as well :)

Looking forward to seeing how your project progresses.

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« Reply #374 on: August 30, 2015, 03:27:12 PM »

Paolo,

It's been clear to me for a while now that you are an artist in steel but you've shown from these drawings that your artistic talent extends to other mediums as well :)

Looking forward to seeing how your project progresses.

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Hey, thanks man I guess im not as rusty with a pencil as i thought. Must be all the drawing of unicorns and fairies for my kids


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