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Offline saltcitycafe

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How to lace your wheels
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:15:14 PM »
I posted this over on dtt as well but wanted to drop it off here too for some feedback and so that it can help others.

Ok so I really no expert at this. In fact this is the first set of wheels I have ever laced. What I have noticed though is that there are a ton of instructions and videos on how to do it but that they are missing information. I had questions that nothing I found was able to answer. It seemed that they took a lot of stuff for granted and didn't spell it out like the moron I am. So here is a guide I came up with that answers the questions I had and made it so that I was able to be successful in respoking my own wheels.

A few rules to start.
1: If you have to force it then stop! this doesn't take any force anywhere along the way.
2: You may have to flex a few spokes in a few places but DON'T BEND THEM!
3: Have beer and patience

First things first, there are two different types of spokes. Inner and Outer. I will refer to them this way throughout. The inners have a shorter bend and its a little less than 90 degrees. The Outer ones are longer and are a full 90 degrees.


On the rim locate the valve stem hole. It will be a reference point for just about everything. After that you will notice there are an upper line of holes and a lower line of holes. These holes are also at 4 different angles. 2 angles on the upper line that face eachother and 2 on the lower line that face eachother. The hole to the right of the valve stem on the upper line angled to your right is the one you are concerned with right now. Remember it mark it. Do it! Yeah its important. If you start right you can't #$%* this up


Now pay close attention here. This is the most important part of the whole thing.  Remember the hole on the rim I told you to mark. You need to run your first spoke from one of the holes on the hub on a tangent line to the rim. Seriously if you get it started here you are pretty much home free its hard to mess it up from here. That being said mark the rim the spoke and the hub you started with. Trust me on this I will show you later how marking will help you if you happen to screw up.


The next spoke skips 1 hole on the hub and 3 holes on the rim. The angles should all line up and be pretty self explanatory as to where they go. The important thing here is that all the spokes are on that tangent line and are going counter clockwise. As you put each spoke in and go around put a nipple on just a few turns to hold it in place.



Now flip that sucker over. You should be able to see the tape of where you started on the other side (told ya marking was important) Now notice that the holes on this side are offset from the ones on the side you started on. You wanna move one to your right if your looking down on the hub for your next reference point (that's right mark it). This pic is from a different angle for clarity sake but you can see what I mean.


This is going to be the most confusing part of the whole process but if you follow along with the picture I should be able to explain it and make it clear as mud. For the sake of making things easy in my head I wanted to start at the valve stem again. In order to do that I needed to find the hole on the hub that would be the tangent line for the rim hole next to the valve stem.
With your new reference start point marked and skipping every other hole count 2 holes to the right and put a spoke in the 3rd hole you count. One more time. Every other hole count 3 and drop a spoke in. This is the hole that will correspond with the hole in the rim next to the valve stem on the tangent line. Continue on around just as you did on the other side every other hole on the hub and skipping 3 on the rim putting a nipple on a few turns on each spoke. The angles should fall right into place. Also note that these spokes are also going counter clockwise and opposite the ones on the other side. That's it for the inners. Pat yourself on the back.


Now for the outers. They lace through the hub the opposite way, going up as opposed to dropping down in. These you can really start anywhere. Lace it through the hub and then rotate it in the opposite direction of the spokes already in on that same side. This means that the outers will be running clockwise and the inners counter. Also they will cross the innerspokes at 3 points. Once on the hub, next just outside the hub and a third time about halfway up a spoke. Not really useful just a good reference.


Once you have put the outers in on both sides you should have something like this.


Now at this point its easy to see if you screwed up. I actually did screw up on my rear wheel after finishing my front one. Basically if you had to force anything or if  you have one particular set of spokes that stick out way to far into your rim and its obvious they will never tighten down. Like in the pic then you messed up. Basically you need to move all your spokes one hole around on the hub.. See that marking coming into play again. In the pic you can see how moving the spokes one hole will shorten them up in the rim and get things right.



If all looks to be going to plan then its time tighten everything  and get ready for truing. Tighten all the nipples down until there is just a little thread showing on each spoke, try to get them all even and equal. They should tighten down tight but still not have to really crank on them.


Here is the finished product. Sit back and and admire your handiwork you handsome bastard!.I hope that all makes sense and answers a lot of questions. Its really not that hard and no need to be intimidated.


I know this may not be totally clear or answer everything so feel free to ask questions and comment. I will update and answer the best I can. Thanks folks

Offline kenny1059

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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 05:23:56 AM »
Hi,
This is a brilliant post! :) :) I am going to respoke my new 400/4 rims with stainless spokes,and even I can understand this. Nice one. :) :)
cheers, Kenny.

Offline saltcitycafe

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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 06:43:10 AM »
Thanks kenny glad it helps! If you run into problems or have questions let me know.

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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 01:50:35 PM »
This post came at just the right time.  I am getting my powder coated hubs back in a week or so and am looking forward to lacing my wheels.  Thanks.
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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 01:55:22 PM »
No problem Bobk. If you're doing powder coated wheels like I have I recommend putting tape around the edges like you can see on mine in the pics.  You tend to move and spin it a lot and that keeps them from getting all scratched up

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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2014, 03:14:09 PM »
This'll be a good reference for me down the road... My spokes are all crusty and both wheels will be coming apart...

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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 09:11:27 AM »
Thanks for this post. Relaced my wheels last night with minimal cursing.
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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2015, 07:45:21 AM »
Great post, thanks for taking the time to do it.  One question though, how do you protect that nice powder coating when installing the new tires on the rims?  Do you install them yourself or trust the local bike shop not to screw them up? 

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 08:09:25 AM »
This would be a great post to delete all comments (including mine  ;) ) and lock. Keep it clean and have any questions or comments PM'ed to you.
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Re: How to lace your CognitoMoto wheels
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2016, 07:18:37 AM »
Great guide! For the stock hub... If you've got a CognitoMoto hub, here are a few more tips (learned the hard way...)

First things first: there are two types of spokes--inner and inner. Wha...? Look carefully. One set has a short bend and the other set has a long bend. The short bend spokes hug the hub while the long bend spokes pass behind them on their path to the rim. You want to alternate short and long bend spokes all the way around (see 'second things second'). Do it wrong and you'll see what I mean. ;-) Don't feel bad if you do get it wrong--you won't be the first [cough cough]!

Second things second: thread all the spokes through the hub before you begin joining any of them to the rim. This is necessary because if you leave some out, you won't be able to get them threaded to the rim holes past those that are already in place... I think it's the 'inside / inside' pattern that causes that? Again, be sure to alternate short and long bend spokes on both sides of the hub (see 'first things first').

As for following a pattern, I started with all the short bend spokes on one side: every second spoke on the hub into every fourth hole on the rim. Then I did all the long bend spokes on the same side. After flipping the wheel over I laced the long bend spokes first and then tried to wrangle the short bend spokes above them to their holes in the rim. You've got to hold your tongue just right, and I confess the 'pattern' kind of fell apart at times (i.e., I had to take a spoke or two out to clear a path for another spoke to get to its hole in the rim), but it came together in the end.

Edit: for how to 'true' your wheels, see http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,152837.msg1767967.html#msg1767967.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 01:10:32 PM by knottedknickers »
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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2018, 02:23:42 AM »
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Re: How to lace your wheels
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2020, 09:26:38 AM »
Thank you for the information got this done today in one try!