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Offline felicious

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What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« on: April 08, 2014, 10:42:01 AM »
My tank looks pretty rough (not in a good way) and my exhaust has seen better times too.
Any suggestions what I could do?

I like the bare metal look for gas tanks. Do these holes affect the functionality? How about heat wrapping the exhaust?
Also, any cheap way to fix the dent?






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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 10:57:48 AM »
Depending how bad those holes are you could braze them and put some silver paint on.
Bare metal will never look good on your tank, the damage will always be seen. You may be able to pop that dent out with a suction cup but it's creased at the top and would need to be dealt with and painted.
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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 11:12:39 AM »
I have created a few bare metal tanks. I love the look!

This tank is for a CB750







I did this one for a CB550




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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 11:30:08 AM »
Google pop a dent ...someone in your area does this for less than 80$ I would bet....as for the pipes patch with some thin sheet steel and jbweld then wrap them up to just past the damage with titanium header wrap...done and done. Bet everyone compliments the wrap too,lol its weird

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 11:34:37 AM »
I have created a few bare metal tanks. I love the look!

This tank is for a CB750







I did this one for a CB550






What's your technique? That looks amazing.

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 11:35:45 AM »
Google pop a dent ...someone in your area does this for less than 80$ I would bet....as for the pipes patch with some thin sheet steel and jbweld then wrap them up to just past the damage with titanium header wrap...done and done. Bet everyone compliments the wrap too,lol its weird

Yeah that would probably be worth it.
Has anyone ever seen a 4-4 exhaust heat wrapped?
Might look weird if it's that many exhaust pipes.

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 11:44:51 AM »
The bare metal effect can only be made with a perfect or near perfect tank. Your tank has a falt in the dent and will always be seen if one is able to get it out.
I don't know prices in US. but a 550 tank is realy cheap to come by here in Europe. I hve a few in stock and paid never more than 50 euro's for it. Maybe just get another tank without dent and prep it up like the bare metal example. It is not my thing but that is not realy important.

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 11:55:12 AM »
The bare metal effect can only be made with a perfect or near perfect tank. Your tank has a falt in the dent and will always be seen if one is able to get it out.
I don't know prices in US. but a 550 tank is realy cheap to come by here in Europe. I hve a few in stock and paid never more than 50 euro's for it. Maybe just get another tank without dent and prep it up like the bare metal example. It is not my thing but that is not realy important.

Cheers, Menno (www.tanklackieren.de)

Yeah I might need to get it painted. It's just such a huge eye sore at the moment that I will need to do something about it.
How much is painting it, roughly? I've seen some really nice paint jobs out there.

Btw I used to live about 90 minutes away from your German location in Hessen.

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 11:59:28 AM »
bare metal tanks are one of those fad things that honestly I can't wait for it to die. It looks ok I guess, but it really invites almost no longevity to the bike's finish. Either you have to maintain it or it rusts and that's a lot more work than just an occasional wax finish on paint. I consider it a sign that the bike's owner is a person that doesn't get motorcycles and doesn't ride all that much, most of the bikes I see it on are rolling bratstyle/new cafe racer garbage anyway so at least there is consistency.

Honestly your tank is in good enough shape (assuming the inside is in nice condition) that it is a good project for you to learn basic body repair. First take the tank to a paintless shop and see if they can pop the dent out. If they can then have them do it and then sand your tank down to bare metal. Buy some fiberglass reinforced body filler (marglass or similar product) and apply to the entire tank in a think coat. Sand it down (using a sanding block) till it is almost all removed except in the low spots. If you still have areas that are a depression apply more filler and sand again until it is perfectly smooth on top. Once that is done you can either take it to a cheap place like MACO or Earl Schieb and have them spray it or you can buy a couple of cans of Rustoleum "Stops rust" or "Professional". Apply 1 coat and then wet sand (600 grit) 24 hours later. Apply about 6-8 coats with wet sanding (800, grit, 1000 grit, 1200 grit moving up in between each one or every other one). How you get the paint on there is not as important as how you prep the surface of each coat. after the final coat buff with compound. If you want stripes you can buy vinyl from a sign shop and cut your own or you can buy a stock decal kit and apply that. or you can mask and spray them on. At the end you want to cover the whole thing in clear (rustoleum has a UV resistant clear that will protect the paint and is compatible with their other paints).

Now, header wrap is good for hiding ugly pipes you must know that if you have rust already in the pipe header wrap will just make it worse. Having a hole in your exhast does affect it's function. If you want to remove the rust (wire wheel, sanding disc, or sandblasting) paint with a high temp paint, and then cover with muffler tape (or some other aluminum tape that can close the hole) and then cover with header wrap that should hide the repair and keep you rolling. That is the cheap repair. The proper way to fix this is to buy a new pipe as some of those holes look too big to weld up. Once you wrap the headers know that moisture will get trapped and it will likely rust the chrome underneath, but honestly who cares - those pipes are on borrowed time anyway.
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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 12:03:15 PM »
I use a stainless steel wired brush attached to an angle grinder. The key to painting a bare metal tank is making sure you prep really well. You cant have any bit of rust or moisture on the tank or else when you clear coat the tank it will trap in the moisture and the rust will still continue.

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 12:11:01 PM »
it is possible to "repair" peeling clearcoat like you have as well. I say repair in quotes because it has no longevity. Basically you need to sand the surface even (wetsand 500-600 grit) and then put a clear over it. Should be able to get another year out of it.

most paint won't stick to bear metal unless it was formulated to do so (hence my recommendation for rustoleum) like a rust paint.   
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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 12:43:52 PM »
at a minimum, as you will be handling/turning your tank, you'll want to empty, and DRY the inside of your tank.
you dont want anything to leak (vapor or fluid) and ruin your work.
a flap wheel is your best friend for quickly getting paint off without a lot of goo to clean up.
if you have more time, and want to me more gentle with the tank, citri-strip, or any aircraft remover will do the job.

I did my tank over 3 weekends. A rattle can job.  $100 probably in prep tools, sandable and etching primer, paint and clear.
It turned out better than I expected. 

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Re: What to do with tank and exhaust (cosmetically)?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 01:24:03 PM »
All these recommendations are sound. If you want bare metal, paint strip the tank. Then deal with removing the dent. Once it's been pushed/pulled out, you can use a variety of techniques to sand the metal to remove and evidence of the previous dent. Add stripes or whatever aesthetic you want, and spray a clear coat to maintain the bare metal finish.

This way, if you ever change your mind, you can sand down the clear and paint the tank in the future.
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