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Offline thirsty 1

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400f Dwell setting?
« on: April 13, 2014, 09:40:42 pm »
Anyone know the dwell setting for a 400f? I did some searching and only found it for a 750 which is 24.5 on the 8 cyl scale. Is a 400 the same?
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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2014, 11:47:07 pm »
It's 92-98o on a 2 cyl. scale
or  46-49o on a 4 cyl. scale
or 34,5-36,7o on a 6 cyl. scale
or  23-24,5o on a 8 cyl. scale

Easiest is to measure how Americans used to do it, in % so you can forget about scales and don't need to multiply or divide.
It's 51,1-54,4%.

When adjusting, bear in mind the gap tends to decrease over time and not increase. So maybe it's better to start a bit on the wide side (lower number) in the range.

For those of you that prefer a dwellmeter over a feeler gauge, here is a tip.
Years ago I have attached two ‘blind’ extra wires to my coils (12V-) both with a female connector at their end. Once you've set your timing correctly, these wires allow quick diagnoses later on. If you are satisfied with the timing, write down the dwell for future reference. Almost all changes in timing originate at the contactbreakers. When the dwell changes, so does the timing. When you suspect the timing is off, before opening the ignition cover you can now simply connect the dwellmeter to either extra lead 1&4 or 2&3 and verify if dwellangle is still the same or has changed. It’s important ofcourse that those connectors are well shielded to avoid ground. That's why I choose mine to be female. Mine are accessible close to the ignition key (old model, under the tank).
I have had these wires attached for years now. What I like is that I can check really quick without even having to remove the ignitioncover.

Another remark.
If you've done it correctly, in future you can adjust the timing by just setting the contactbreakers gap and you can leave the platescrews untouched. That's how mechanics used to do it.
In this forum there is far too much adjusting of timing plates (why? because it is in a book?) as there is floattang bending and separating of carbs. KISS.


 

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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2014, 08:28:15 am »
Dwell is in degrees of rotation not percent.

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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2014, 08:57:29 am »
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Dwell is in degrees of rotation not percent.
We know that Lucky. That is dwell. There is also something like careful reading. Anyway, the Americans used to measure in % of degrees. Clear? I believe they called it Duty Cycle. If you read my post above, I'm sure you will figure it out.
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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2014, 09:35:11 am »
Thanks guys... I've been a mechanic for over 20 years now so I get it. I just needed a number to compare to my current set up. I have a Hondaman ign. box so the arcing is completely gone. I just want to set it up once and forget it. I must be good with my feelers because 2-3 is right on at 24 and 1-4 is right at 30 so i'll give it a small tweeking. I can vouch for a decent dwell meter/DMM. This was had off of ebay and for 25 bucks shipped you cant go wrong.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Tachometer-meter-TACH-DWELL-Tester-Multimeter-Ship-from-USA-/321211107863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac9ac8a17

+ it's always nice to have another meter laying around. It's not quality like my Fluke but it serves it's purpose!
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75' CB400F  -  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=127295.0

My 79 CB750F for fun   ----   http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.0

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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2014, 09:59:22 am »
That meter is incredible cheap and offers all automotive functions you need. Notice that it has a position for Duty Cycle. I don't know why this isn't the standard. It's so much easier and you need only one position on the DMM and not several for all the number of cylinders. For who wants to know more do a search for d'Arsonval meter.
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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2014, 10:52:06 am »
Dwell is in degrees of rotation not percent.
The purpose of contact point dwell is to control the power duty cycle delivered to the coils.  Duty cycle is expressed in percent, relative to time off vs. time on.
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Re: 400f Dwell setting?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 04:39:16 pm »
Thanks again Fellas!

73' CL125, 75' CB400F, 16' KTM 1190R, 05' KTM 525EXC

75' CB400F  -  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=127295.0

My 79 CB750F for fun   ----   http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.0