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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #575 on: September 23, 2014, 06:12:19 pm »
Bloody Hell!!! That Gibbs stuff sounds great....why would you ever paint or powder coat again...From what I can understand, you don;t have to apply any finishing coat to metal that has been treated with the stuff other than for the purposes of aesthetic....as far as protection from corrosion or even dirt...Gibbs is enough???

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #576 on: September 23, 2014, 06:22:30 pm »
Apparently. I'll believe it when I see it though.

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« Reply #577 on: September 23, 2014, 06:27:14 pm »
Well, you take both comments from different posts. The original when I thought you were looney to believe the process of salt water immersion wouldn't rust anything. The second post is after Retro pointed out the Gibbs product...

I don't know whether I would still test by salt water immersion, but I'm not a metallurgist and would enjoy/benefit from your experiementing. As for bluing after Gibbs, I wonder if it is possible as painting is. And bluing is more a chemical reaction than an adhesion.

I'll just stay tuned to see what you discover, if you pursue this option.
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #578 on: September 23, 2014, 06:32:53 pm »
Oh no, I expected it to rust things, that was the whole point. What I wasn't expecting was the blued steel to be worse than the raw steel.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #579 on: September 23, 2014, 07:34:47 pm »
Oh no, I expected it to rust things, that was the whole point. What I wasn't expecting was the blued steel to be worse than the raw steel.

You could also Parkerize the metal, if you're going for gun finishes. 
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #580 on: September 23, 2014, 07:50:51 pm »
Cool idea, looks to be the same problem with hot-bluing though, need one hell of a big tank! Unless someone knows an alternate way to apply it?

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #581 on: September 23, 2014, 11:42:20 pm »
how about raw steel smothered in fish oil?let it dry out and its great once its past that sticky stage,might get cats pissing on it though?ive used the most cheap stuff from supercheap autos and its every bit as good as any name brand?

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #582 on: September 24, 2014, 12:57:27 am »
Sorry to hijack the thread, but what do you think this Gibbs stuff would be like for cleaning out and treating the inside of a fuel tank???

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #583 on: September 25, 2014, 12:12:22 am »
heres that temperature guage,you can glue it on the engine case no wiring or tube required.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #584 on: September 25, 2014, 12:19:05 am »
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #585 on: September 25, 2014, 12:20:24 am »
Sorry to hijack the thread, but what do you think this Gibbs stuff would be like for cleaning out and treating the inside of a fuel tank???

Dunno, I haven't used it yet. Will let you know how it goes. I'm guessing probably not the best option for that purpose though.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #586 on: September 26, 2014, 07:32:11 pm »
Not having ever heard of the Gibbs penetrant I shouldn't make any assumptions, but after reading the sales blurb, "Too good to be true" comes to mind.

Having painted many cars and bikes over the last 30-odd years I was surprised to see the comment that "You can paint right over it", so it seems a little hypocritical to later to see that there is a disclaimer, right at the end of the "article", that I'll quote here:

Painting over Gibbs Brand

"The label on a can of Gibbs Brand says that "you can paint right over it". However, common sense will tell you not to paint over an oily surface that isn't clean.

To paint metal that has been treated with Gibbs Brand, simply begin by wiping it down with whatever surface cleaner is recommended by the manufacturer of the particular paint system that you are using, and proceed as you normally would.

Due to the tremendous variety of ingredients that are used in paints, it is not possible to be absolutely certain that Gibbs Brand is compatible with every paint on the market. However, we are not aware of any compatability issues with any particular paint."

The second paragraph seems to confirms my suspicion. You need to remove the Gibbs product with "Surface Cleaner" (AKA Prep Solvent, Wax and grease Remover, Solvent wash etc) before you can paint over it, obviously negating any benefit of having it there, because of course, once it's been washed off with solvent, it's not actually there any more..................

I'm sure it's a great alternative to WD40, but I doubt that it's the Holy Grail. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #587 on: September 26, 2014, 10:56:39 pm »
Yup, I'm sceptical too, but definitely worth a try.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #588 on: September 27, 2014, 01:05:54 am »
Give it a go mate, it can't hurt. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #589 on: October 05, 2014, 07:53:56 pm »
Probably should just start calling this bike "Project Rust":








Old Scrambler has come to the rescue and is going to slice out the motor mount section from a frame he's got and send them to me, so hopefully it'll be fixable.

In other news, wonder-drugs and snake oil... Penetrol vs Gibbs Brand:

Penetrol (freshly coated):


Gibbs Brand (freshly coated):


Gibbs Brand looks and feels more like steel on a fresh coating... BUT:

Penetrol after the salt-water test:


Gibbs Brand:


And then what they look like after a wipe over with a damp cloth:
Penetrol:


Gibbs:


So, Penetrol FTW! The Gibbs Brand does an OK job (especially on the raw section, not so good on the blued section), but in the end it's oil, and the oil wears off after not very long, so I wouldn't trust it on something you couldn't re-oil... like, a lot. Not entirely sure it's really any better than plain old WD40 in the end (see previous post). So, good experiment really!
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #590 on: October 05, 2014, 08:14:39 pm »
WD40 is for girls,men use CRC only.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #591 on: October 06, 2014, 04:27:17 am »
Acetone and atf mix.  Here is a piece of info I found somewhere:

“Machinist Workshop Magazine” did a test on penetrating oils. Using nuts and
bolts that they ‘scientifically rusted’ to a uniform degree by soaking in salt water, they then tested the break-out torque required to loosen the nuts. They treated the nuts with a variety of penetrants and measured the torque required to loosen them.

This is what they came up with:
Nothing: 516 lbs
WD-40: 238 lbs;
PB Blaster: 214 lbs;
Liquid Wrench: 127 lbs,
Kano Kroil: 106 lbs
(ATF)/Acetone mix (50/50): 50 lbs.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #592 on: October 07, 2014, 12:42:08 am »
atf and acetone is for real men.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #593 on: October 07, 2014, 06:26:27 pm »
atf and acetone is for real men.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #594 on: November 09, 2014, 08:21:44 am »
Interesting post, but good god I can't read the whole thing. The beginning bit was fun though.

I stripped my tank to bare metal and sanded off the chrome on my front fender. Then used this Slate Black patina spray from Sculpt Nouveau. I was researching oil to use as clear coat doesn't seem to work. Picked up Gibbs as a gun oil and overall penetrant. Seems cool and it sprays pink... I have a Gibbs soaked rag that I wipe the tank front fender and headlight maybe once a month or if it gets wet. But I'm going for the antique metal look. So pristine isn't my goal. I haven't tried WD40 or anything else. It's just worth it for me to keep oiling the tank here and there. I love the look of my tank.








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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #595 on: November 09, 2014, 09:34:43 am »
I like the antiqued patina. Why not just clear coat it?
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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #596 on: November 09, 2014, 10:34:59 am »

I like the antiqued patina. Why not just clear coat it?

I like the bare metal feel but more importantly, I hear (but never tried) that since it's not a base coat that it won't last and rust can still form under it. I heard there are also other options like boat hull sprays etc. but with research it didn't seem like it really works well. Then I gave up and just filled it with gas, haha.


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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #597 on: November 09, 2014, 10:58:07 am »
Most importantly, Favd, is to treat and tend to the underside. If uncoated, it will rust right quickly and out of sight, out of mind, is harmful in this situation.
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« Reply #598 on: November 09, 2014, 11:45:13 am »

Most importantly, Favd, is to treat and tend to the underside. If uncoated, it will rust right quickly and out of sight, out of mind, is harmful in this situation.

Not sure what Favd means but I know what you're saying. That's why I only stripped the top portion. The underside is all factory paint.

Favd = Dave?

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Re: 1972 CB750 Steampunk(ish) Bobber Thing
« Reply #599 on: November 09, 2014, 04:49:12 pm »
On pain meds... Frickin aotucrrcet
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