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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2014, 05:36:04 AM »
Parts for master cylinder rebuild & brake have arrived. Still waiting on the new brake hose from Sling Shot cycles, apparently they're out of office for the next couple days. I'll try to bleed the brakes tonight & start work on the MC. I don't have a pair of C-clip pliers, but may be able to pick some up on the way home today. I haven't checked whether the piston is stuck down in the front caliper, so may have a lot to deal with as far as that goes.

When I squeeze the front brake lever, it will only pull about half way in, but I'm still able to get brake fluid out from unscrewing the bleeder. That's about the extent of my knowledge of the issue. Figure it's safest to rebuild the brakes anyway.

Haven't received a shipment confirmation from DCC about my handlebars, mirrors, & grips despite ordering them Sunday night. Hoping they'll still get here by next week so I can go I ahead & change everything out. Also, I think I may have found someone at my dad's work who can redo my seat. So hopefully I can get that going in the next couple weeks.

The bike has been in the garage for a good while. Sunday it finally got some good sun.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2014, 10:22:49 PM »
I messed around looking for skinny circlip pliers, ground up a few pairs of needlenose pliers, still no good.
Ended up grinding tiny notches at the inside edge of an old pair of scissors. second attempt, got it.
Clip was already free in the groove, had spun it around trying to get it with various picks and prongs.
Had the lever bolt in and a little screwdriver hooked under it to hold plunger down while fishing for the clip.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2014, 03:54:13 PM »
Cool. Thanks for the info, enwri. I managed to get my MC circlip out yesterday. I dug it out with a small awl that had a hooked edge. The circlip pliers I bought at the auto store were giving me a lot of frustration. I gave up using them & quickly had the circlip out.

Other issues abound, however. The bolt from the pipe that leads into my front brake caliper is frozen in place. I've tried every way I know to get the pipe off, with little regard for its condition because I bought a new one, but it won't budge. I also can't get the brake pads to come off. I expected this from caliper A, where the piston sits, but caliper B's brake pad is stuck as well. One member recommended using a heat gun to see if the pad would loosen up, but I'm afraid of warping the metal. Any ideas on how to proceed?

Now that the master cylinder is cleaned out, I'll throw the rebuild kit I have in & try pumping the piston out with the new MC hooked up. But I'm not sure what to do in order to get the brake pad off the other caliper or how to remove the frozen pipe on the caliper where the bleed valve is.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2014, 05:12:47 PM »
I have to say first, I'm a panelbeater so most of my methods with stuck things involve hammers and heat.
For the brake line, I would first (if the hex isn't already too mangled) try a single hex brake line spanner after a little heat, as long as there isn't an oxygen bottle on your heating equipment, you probably wont have to worry about melting or warping anything other than the seals you're going to replace.. if that doesn't work, before the hex is destroyed completely, cut the steel line off at the nut and try to knock a single hex socket on to it.
You may have to file any big burrs off to get it on without flogging it on, be reasonable don't smash anything, if it really wont go on, it's time to ask a fitter to drill it out, or grind better flats on to it to use a socket, someone on here will have done it before properly.
Heating the other part of the caliper, the same thing with the heating equipment, if there is an oxygen bottle involved there is a chance of damaging it, but just an LPG flame should be ok. I'm not that familiar with heat guns other than to remove the police stickers stuck on the cop cars before they sell them off. they might get hot enough to work.
Grinding through the brake pad and welding a bolt to the old steel base of the pad gives you something to pull on and provides heat as well. that will definitely melt the anti squeal spacer behind it, if it has one, I forget.  Easy in a panel shop, harder at home.

Wait and see if anyone has less destructive methods to do all this, this is just how I would, and have done things like this. The difference is that I don't mind breaking my stuff, I'll just have to fix it myself anyway, but I don't want to break other peoples stuff without being there to fix it if I do.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2014, 06:45:58 PM »
Your caliper should be aluminum: heat away with a handheld propane bottle.

Penetrating oil and heat on the hard line. Use a proper flange wrench too, hex only, and with some heat it will come out.

You can also apply heat to the edge of the brake pads to help free them, but first try soaking the whole caliper in acetone or a 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone. This will eat rust and corrosion, and leave your aluminum be. The piston seal will need replacement, perhaps the piston too (not from the soaking though). If they won't budge, drill a pilot hole into the pad and sink a metal screw in just enough to grab the back of the pad and jerk that dude out of there! Soaking probably will work though...

Upon reassembly, be sure to use a small dab of grey Anti-Seize on the caliper hard line (slingshot has those too) when installing. It's fine threads, be cautious wrenching it in.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2014, 07:21:37 PM »
Great tips, thank you guys. I will let you know what I end up trying.

Calj, I have some acetone. How long should I soak the caliper. & is it ok to soak both caliper A & caliper B?

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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2014, 03:35:17 AM »
A day or so should be all you need. But you could leave it for many days and it still won't hurt it.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2014, 06:21:50 AM »
Thought I had some acetone at home, but the can was empty. Haha. Ended up soaking the caliper in PB blaster overnight & got the brake pad on the piston side off. Still working on getting the other brake pad off the other side of the caliper. I'll soak it in acetone if I'm still not able to get it off.

Also, I'm excited as my new handlebars, grips, & mirrors are set to arrive tonight. Can't wait to see how it all looks. I just found out from another thread about Godffery's rotors. Definitely looking into ordering one of these in the near future: http://www.vinmoto.org/gallery/v/VinMoto-Garage/album03/Godfferys-Garage-123/Parts+and+service/Brake+Rotors+_+Thinned+and+Drilled/HONDA+Front+brake+rotors+CB750+K+-+F/

Edit: Ok, just got the other brake pad off. Now I'm making some progress.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2014, 06:38:11 AM »
Finally got my front caliper apart & cleaned up. My piston only has some slight pitting which I'm hoping I can clean up. My new handlebars came in as well, but I'm letting some PB blaster soak the screws on the light signal switch because they're really stuck. I threw on the new euro bars & can't wait to see how they look once I get the MC & cables on.

I'm going to order some dow corning high vacuum grease for my front caliper & some raybestos brake assembly fluid as recommended in the Brakes FAQ. If they arrive by end of this week, hopefully I can get everything together by the end of the weekend & be set to test ride.

Also, looked up recommendations for getting new grips on the handlebars. The consensus seems to be Auqa Net hair spay, do you guys recommend anything else?

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2014, 07:26:21 AM »
Safety-wise, you should also look into replacing your brake lines with braided stainless steel lines, and replacing your steering ball bearings with tapered/sealed roller bearings, and replacing your wheel bearings and the swingarm bushings.

I found some nice stainless steel brake hoses here: http://slingshot-cycles.com/. Do you guys have recommendations for where to grab new, upgraded wheel & steering bearings & swing arm bushings?

Slingshot give us members a discount code SOHC4.  All Balls Racing is a good source for the tapered roller bearings for the stearing stem and wheels.  For swingarm bushings, I thought there was someone on the forum selling them, but I can't remember.  You want to find brass ones -- they are readily available on ebay.

If ordering a new upper brake hose, specify -2" for the Euro bars, just did this on my K4.  I also order European spec throttle cables from DSS.
+1 on All Balls, just used these too.

I dont know which forum member is making the bushings, but here are some...

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2014, 01:18:18 PM »
Thanks, Stev-O. There was an option in the order to choose type of bike bars & I selected superbike as that's what they recommended in FAQ would be similar euro bars. Did you do the same & still specify -2"? My guess is that selecting the superbike bar option has already accounted for the lower bars.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2014, 06:06:15 PM »
Thanks, Stev-O. There was an option in the order to choose type of bike bars & I selected superbike as that's what they recommended in FAQ would be similar euro bars. Did you do the same & still specify -2"? My guess is that selecting the superbike bar option has already accounted for the lower bars.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2014, 07:22:40 AM »
Hey guys, just have a few questions. I've got a rebuild kit for my master cylinder, but the piston & rubber that goes on the piston looks different from what was originally in my MC. I ordered the same part # from the K7 diagram, but as you can tell in the photo below, they are not the same. If the rebuild kit I have is correct, which way should the rubber be placed on the piston? Finally, before I place all the components of the rebuild kit in the master cylinder, should I be greasing or lubing any of these parts?

Also, one unrelated question: My new euro bars have no grooves in their center like the original Honda bars have, is this a problem at all?

Thanks for the input!


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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2014, 08:41:16 AM »
Can't say if that is a superseded part or just different model kit. if you use it, (personally I would, as long as the leading edge of the cup ends up about the same place along the pistons length.) put them in the way you have them in the picture, the one on the flat end of the piston goes the same way.
when brake is applied the edges of the cup are held tight against the sides of the bore by pressure, and when released and moving backwards can allow fluid to pass if needed.
 Not sure you should contaminate the new fluid with any sort of grease though, but at least wet them with brake fluid first.

On the lever end of the piston, between the cup and the dust boot, where the fluid should never be, could probably use a bit of rubber grease, (I think it may be a castor oil based grease. definitely not anything
mineral oil / dinosaur oil based) just to coat and keep the steel/alloy from corroding. not enough to get pumped under the cup and into the fluid though. If you cant be sure sure about the grease, best not to use anything, the wrong type will destroy the rubber parts.

Also read on here about never bottoming out the piston in the cylinder by having a 15 mm spacer on the bars under the lever when refitting or bleeding.
 There are two holes from the res. into the cylinder the one closest to the centre of the bike is tiny and must be clear, watch out when refilling or just touching the lever with fluid in it, it will squirt straight up and out onto the tank paintwork or in your face or just everywhere. (as per one of my earlier photos shows, it's only a rattle can spray job anyway, Appliance white, pretty sure it's not a honda colour, more like fridge tone.)

Don't think the ridges on the bars being missing will matter, just means you will need to measure for centre.
If they were high bars you would have much more leverage to twist them in the clamps, might matter then.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2014, 06:41:04 AM »
Haven't updated for a while, but the master cylinder & brake caliper are all fixed up, new Sling Shot ss brake lines are very nice! I've also put on new grips, bar end mirrors, & euro spec bars. Thank you guys for all the recommendations. I've added a couple photos of the bike in its current state. Gave it its first few road tests this weekend, but only around the neighborhood (need to get a plate this week).

My next few jobs will be to change out the wheel & steering bearings & put new bushings in the swing arm. I also need to get the seat fixed, as you can probably see in the photos.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2014, 06:45:57 AM »
I'm looking for a headlight to replace the sealed OEM headlight on my bike. The low beam is out on it. The specs for it are 12V, GE6014, “plus 23”, DOT. I think I've found the proper replacement here: http://www.qualitydist.net/gel-6014.html

But I'm also interested in upgrading to an H4 headlight. I've read a little on the forums about this upgrade, but I'm curious if you guys have thoughts on what'd be best. If I upgraded to an H4, I would probably get the dual relay kit that Hondaman sells as well. Would I need anything else to upgrade the headlight to H4? Thanks.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2014, 06:51:30 AM »
Looks good. Have you considered putting a new seat cover on?  They are pretty reasonable on ebay and easy to do.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2014, 07:09:04 AM »
Looks good. Have you considered putting a new seat cover on?  They are pretty reasonable on ebay and easy to do.

Hey Stev-o, thanks! I definitely need a new seat cover as soon as possible. I was actually looking around town for an upholstery place; I didn't realize this is something I could do on my own. A thin slice of the seat foam has come off, will this be a problem if I want to replace it myself?

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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2014, 10:02:11 PM »
Hey Easy - if the seat foam is damaged, it will show when the new cover is put on. It should be repaired or a think piece of foam put over the entire seat.  Here's a cover....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-K7-K8-1977-78-replacement-seat-cover-for-Honda-CB-750-CB750K7-Four-225-/160656310341?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2567dcc045&vxp=mtr
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2014, 10:16:07 PM »
Hey Easy - if the seat foam is damaged, it will show when the new cover is put on. It should be repaired or a think piece of foam put over the entire seat.  Here's a cover....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-K7-K8-1977-78-replacement-seat-cover-for-Honda-CB-750-CB750K7-Four-225-/160656310341?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2567dcc045&vxp=mtr

+1 on this ebay seller.  I have ordered two seat covers from him and they are top notch.
 

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2014, 10:50:55 PM »
Hey Easy - if the seat foam is damaged, it will show when the new cover is put on. It should be repaired or a think piece of foam put over the entire seat.  Here's a cover....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-K7-K8-1977-78-replacement-seat-cover-for-Honda-CB-750-CB750K7-Four-225-/160656310341?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2567dcc045&vxp=mtr

+1 on this ebay seller.  I have ordered two seat covers from him and they are top notch.

I purchased a cover from the same seller for my 550. Great quality.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2014, 06:43:48 AM »
Awesome. Thank you guys. Definitely makes me confident when I've got three people backing up an eBay purchase.  Will have to see if I can find a way to fill out the seat pad a bit more in a couple areas. No idea what that would take, but the majority of the seat if perfectly fine.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2014, 06:38:23 PM »
Whatever you do,  make it comfortable. You'll want to be on it for hours at a time when it's done.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2014, 05:41:17 AM »
Thanks, enwri. Great photo & I like your gauges.

I've got an issue with my turn signals now. Whenever I switch the turn signal switch left or right, I hear a loud, constant buzzing sound for a couple seconds. The lights blink & seem to work ok (except my rear left signal which I've changed out but still doesn't work, so I assume I have bad wiring somewhere). Anyway, could this buzzing sound be the result of a bad turn signal switch? This is really my last issue to solve before I can get this thing officially out on the road.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Restore (w/ a few alterations)
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2014, 10:01:09 AM »
 I've heard that noise, the flasher unit going mental, the switch had started playing up, pulled it apart and there is a sliding contact, spring mounted in another sliding block, that wasn't moving quite as far as it should, or stopping where it should. cleaned and freed up all that gear, still the noise, not as often. Pulled it apart again this time completely disassembled it ( It actually disassembled itself, luckily found the bits)  and found the tiny brass contact that slides along the tabs in the switch had worn through and were not touching well enough to conduct properly. If tiny little spring loaded pieces of greasy plastic and brass aren't your thing, maybe just get a new switch. otherwise have a look, I just folded up a thin piece of brass shim, (piece of feeler gauge)  to make a new one.

 Also have three wires for the flasher unit, but only had two terminals on the unit itself. when I changed it for another with the three terminals, noticed that the flasher lit the moment I touched the switch as opposed to the two prong unit where the flasher only lit at the first click of the unit after I touched the switch.

The fault with the rear flasher may just have triggered the worn switch to start failing, bit more current to take another nip out of that brass contact.

I remember taking the other gauges off about twenty years ago and putting those ones on, not sure why,  had a little fairing as well that I've never seen on any others, Wish I still had all those bits, It was only a tiny fairing with a short windscreen but made cruising so much more comfortable, louder as well, every tappet, chain, gear, induction noise reflected up under your chin.
Did a 14 hour day on it once, ears were ringing to the sound of timing chain at 4000 revs for hours afterwards.
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