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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #375 on: July 03, 2015, 07:42:51 AM »
What do you guys think of Dustin Kott's recent build covered by moto channel?
I really dig the oil tank & battery placement. Sounds like he's become a big fan of Works suspension too.
Doesn't do much for me. There's quite a few inconsistencies in his execution if the bike was determined to "extract the utmost performance in steering and braking". Front end needs a brace, badly. Probably a damper too. The rear stock drum should have been replaced by a later year disc from a SS. The upper clamp looks to be missing some spacers/washers at the pinch. Front tire looks very tight to the fork lower, and thus his brake lines are all dangling. His throttle cables are too long and as a result, they loop down and in front of the headlight. Looks poorly though through.

If that bike is heading to Miami, then pods (and I like pods) are the worst possible choice. Way too humid, way to likely to be caught in a rain storm, and they will foul constantly. He definitely needed a different induction solution for the delivery location of that bike. Rear looks a bit snug to the tire for shock travel, but perhaps he's already calculated for that and it's fine despite its appearance. And nickel as a finish in a super humid climate? I hope the owner takes care of it properly. Personally, I don't think I'd ever stuff a battery under a metal tank. Dunno, just sort of hard for me to overcome the potential risks of arcing against a fuel cell.

Other than that... Sorry if that all sounded too negative.

No, that was an awesome analysis, thanks Cal. That's why I asked what you guys thought because there's a lot of vital things that I still miss looking at these builds. I want to eventually be able to be so critical so that I can understand how to work with these bikes on that level.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #376 on: July 04, 2015, 06:04:34 AM »
Alright guys, I worked on my rear wheel last night & was able to get the rear wheel retainer that has two slits in it out by using Hondaman's trick of 2 inch, 1/8" steel & a couple vice grips to turn it out. Had to do a little searching about the collar inside the wheel because his book doesn't make it clear that you can bend the tangs on the collar down to get it out of the way & have more access to the surface of the bearing to pop it out. EDIT: I should add that we drilled the punch marks on this retainer out & it wasn't to difficult to turn out after the fact.

Both of the smaller 6304 bearings are out, but I'm hung up on getting the retainer (the one with four small holes that requires the special tool) removed. My dad drilled out the punch marks on it & we started using the homemade tool pictured below to turn it. At first we were able to turn it, then it locked up. We started hitting the steel bar tool with a mallet & it'd move just barely with each tap. But eventually the steel bar bent from the mallet!

I assume it shouldn't be this difficult to get out. Maybe we didn't drill the punch marks out enough? Should we try to turn it back to its original position & drill more?

Let me know what you think. I don't want to do any (more?) damage to the threads in the hub. I'll work on getting the 6304 bearings in the other part of the wheel until I hear from you guys. Thanks & happy 4th!!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #377 on: July 07, 2015, 01:43:02 PM »
Tried building another tool to remove the rear wheel bearing retainer. Ended up bending more screws...

I went ahead & ordered a new retainer, but still have to get this old one out first.

Any thoughts guys?

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #378 on: July 07, 2015, 01:44:40 PM »
Can you turn it back to where you started and make sure the "stakes" are drilled deep enough?
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #379 on: July 07, 2015, 01:48:13 PM »
Did you try grade 8's?
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #380 on: July 08, 2015, 05:26:45 AM »
Can you turn it back to where you started and make sure the "stakes" are drilled deep enough?

I was at my Dad's carpentry shop & we tried turning it back to the original position. It will turn back some, but not all the way now.

One of the mechanics around mentioned that some of the shavings from us drilling out the punches may be catching in the threads. He suggested we cut the retainer near its 4 holes to possibly relieve some of the tension. I've bought a new retainer, so no issues with trying to preserve the original. We'll try it during lunch today & I'll let you guys know.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #381 on: July 08, 2015, 09:46:16 AM »
Ok, we've got the retainer out & now I'll just have to wait for the new retainer to arrive. I ordered from Dime City but they never send confirmation of when your stuff ships, so I've got no idea when it'll get here. Maybe this weekend?

Til then I'll work on getting the frame degreased & clean for the engine install. I'd like to have the back tire on when I install the engine, so if I can get the retainer in the mail & have the wheel ready, maybe this thing will be back together by end of next week.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #382 on: July 10, 2015, 12:12:27 PM »
Alright, rear wheel bearing retainer comes in this afternoon, then I can get the wheel back together. Here's my checklist of remaining things to do before I try to start this bike up:

- replace alternator cover gasket
- change out smaller sprocket in the engine
- maybe put permatex non-hardening sealant on the cam cover gasket, then retorque
- put new bearings in rear wheel, close it all up
- attach swing arm, attach rear wheel
- get windshield wiper tubing to use as drain tubes for carb overflow
- get the engine in the frame, reconnect everything

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #383 on: July 10, 2015, 12:14:58 PM »
Instead of replacing my front forks with standard K7 forks, along with rebuilding with spring, seals, etc. I'm considering maybe switching over to a GL1000 front end once riding season is over. Do you guys just find these things on eBay or something? When I search for '76 GL1000 front ends online, I just get a ton of threads on the forum, nothing for sale.

Is it something you usually end up having to buy in pieces rather than being able to find the entire front end? Newb questions, I know. But very curious about all this.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #384 on: July 10, 2015, 12:59:37 PM »

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #385 on: July 10, 2015, 07:17:53 PM »
Cleaned up the alternator stuff & put a new gasket behind its cover tonight. I also got all the rear wheel bearings in. Tomorrow I'll get the swing arm & rear wheel back on & torque down the cam cover so the engine will be ready. Then I'll have to wait til my Dad is back in town Monday to try to get it back in the frame.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #386 on: July 11, 2015, 01:56:43 AM »
Make sure to put the rear brake linkage arm on and get it oriented correctly before you put the swing arm back into the bike.  Otherwise, you'll end up pulling the swingarm back off when you get to that.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #387 on: July 11, 2015, 11:06:58 AM »
Well the retainer that we had so much trouble getting out has messed up the threads in the rear wheel flange (part #42610-405-000) & now I can't get the new retainer in. I haven't tried forcing the new retainer in, but it hits a point early on where I can't screw it in by hand anymore. I don't know if I'll end up having to buy a whole new flange or what. I checked on eBay a couple of days ago & there were a few for ~$30, but they're gone now. I'll check in the for sale part of the forum here to see if any are available. One way or another, I may be stalled for another week!

Not sure what else I can do.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #388 on: July 11, 2015, 11:24:36 AM »
Have you tried to fix the threads with a large bolt with the right thread pitch? I believe that it is a 1.5 pitch, you can take a 10-12mm bolt with the right pitch and finesse the threads back to a closer state of correct.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #389 on: July 11, 2015, 04:17:17 PM »
Thanks, Desert. I decided to go ahead & just order a used part off eBay so I don't have to stall the completion of the bike any. Too excited to finally get the engine in & try a start up. Hoping the flange will arrive by Thursday or so.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #390 on: July 11, 2015, 05:10:19 PM »
I bought a tap and die set from Northern Tools (Harbor Freight has them, too) that would be just the thing for cleaning those threads.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #391 on: July 11, 2015, 05:24:29 PM »
I bought a tap and die set from Northern Tools (Harbor Freight has them, too) that would be just the thing for cleaning those threads.

That's awesome, Ron! Do you have a link to the set online? We actually have a northern tools up here in Knox.

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« Reply #392 on: July 11, 2015, 05:54:16 PM »
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #393 on: July 11, 2015, 07:27:25 PM »
Thanks, Desert. I decided to go ahead & just order a used part off eBay so I don't have to stall the completion of the bike any. Too excited to finally get the engine in & try a start up. Hoping the flange will arrive by Thursday or so.

I'm right there with ya brother.......Mayble fired today and ran on all 4! She aint there yet, but I'm getting ALOT closer.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #394 on: July 12, 2015, 06:49:18 AM »
Have you set the float levels with the clear tube trick yet? easier now before the carbs go back on. Wasn't it a wet cylinder that started this whole adventure? Make sure those tiny little upper body vents are clear to atmosphere. Definitely easier to check before they go back on.

Nice work on the engine painting, it's going to look good this bike, you're almost there, get the carbs sorted and it will run sweet as well.

When you finish yours, I've got one that needs a cleanup.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #395 on: July 12, 2015, 08:57:13 AM »
Have you set the float levels with the clear tube trick yet? easier now before the carbs go back on. Wasn't it a wet cylinder that started this whole adventure? Make sure those tiny little upper body vents are clear to atmosphere. Definitely easier to check before they go back on.

Nice work on the engine painting, it's going to look good this bike, you're almost there, get the carbs sorted and it will run sweet as well.

When you finish yours, I've got one that needs a cleanup.

Hey enwri, always good to see you back here. I haven't reset my float levels yet (ii set them when I rebuilt my carbs last year, but I'll recheck them), but your questions made me want to post all the photos & document all the symptoms I was having before I took the engine out.

What started all this? Well, I had the bike back together for about a month last summer & was having a lot of fun riding. One day, I pulled up to a stop sign about 50 yards outside of my dad's house & he was out in the yard. He mentioned that he could see white smoke coming from my muffler. I pulled into his garage & tried to check it out. Took a couple more rides after that & the problems seemed to get worse. Before long my head gasket was leaking too.

Smoke (May be hard to tell, sorry): Head gasket leak:
I was also losing oil. Fast. I changed the oil twice before finally removing the engine. When I changed it, it looked as though it was mixed with gasoline -- very dark, something was definitely wrong. That same oil (mixed with whatever else) was coming out of my exhaust as well. See the first photo below.

I checked my spark plugs & one of them looked like the second photo below, three of them looked like the third photo below.

The last ride I did was the worst one. The bike was stuttering a lot & quit on me a couple times. Fortunately I was able to get it back to my dad's garage. When I got back, I looked inside the gas tank (which I had just filled a day or two before), & the tank was completely empty! No wonder it was acting like it had no gas.

I took the exhaust off & noticed three of my exhaust valves had a white coating on them. See the fourth photo below. The remaining exhaust valve looked normal from what I recall.

So out came the engine. When I removed the head, I noticed the bottom of the exhaust valves had a rustic brown tint to them, see the fifth photo below.

Finally, I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it, but when I took the engine out I checked the carbs. One of my main jets was completely out of the emulsifier tube. The last photo below is what it looked like when I took off the float bowl, just sitting there staring up at me. I must not have tightened it down enough. I figure this is how all my gas escaped on the last ride?

Here's a summary of what I've done to the engine:
- All new gaskets, o-rings, & pucks (with non-hardening gasket sealant), gasket installed dry except for the cam cover gasket, which I added non-hardening sealant to)
- new cam chain roller & guide (left the old chain in since I only rebuilt the top end, bike has 25k miles)
- New piston rings
- Cylinders honed
- New intake valves
- New valve stem seals
- Standard valve work
- APE hd studs
- Head machine work, (decking, etc)
- Rebuilt oil pump



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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #396 on: July 13, 2015, 01:13:20 PM »
Does it matter if the rear wheel is on or not when you install the engine? My guess would be no. If not, I may go ahead & put the engine back in tomorrow night with my dad's help. That way I can get everything hooked back up while I wait on the new rear wheel stuff to come later this week.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #397 on: July 13, 2015, 02:19:55 PM »
you could have a bare frame and install the engine...............go for it!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #398 on: July 14, 2015, 05:32:33 AM »
enwri commented on this video & noted that one of the cylinders isn't firing. I had no idea because I hadn't heard the bike run before.

I found a thread online here http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31742 where someone installed a new Pamco unit like me & also had gas coming out of the exhaust. I'll have to investigate more...

Above I mentioned that 3 of the exhaust valves had a white coating & one didn't. That one valve is #3 exhaust valve. #3 spark plug had a much darker coloring from the others, as you can see in the photos above. Maybe it was #3 that wasn't firing?
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #399 on: July 14, 2015, 06:03:51 PM »
Engine is in. My rear wheel flange should arrive tomorrow night, then I'll get the swing arm & rear wheel back on.