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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #425 on: July 10, 2015, 07:17:53 PM »
Cleaned up the alternator stuff & put a new gasket behind its cover tonight. I also got all the rear wheel bearings in. Tomorrow I'll get the swing arm & rear wheel back on & torque down the cam cover so the engine will be ready. Then I'll have to wait til my Dad is back in town Monday to try to get it back in the frame.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #426 on: July 11, 2015, 01:56:43 AM »
Make sure to put the rear brake linkage arm on and get it oriented correctly before you put the swing arm back into the bike.  Otherwise, you'll end up pulling the swingarm back off when you get to that.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #427 on: July 11, 2015, 11:06:58 AM »
Well the retainer that we had so much trouble getting out has messed up the threads in the rear wheel flange (part #42610-405-000) & now I can't get the new retainer in. I haven't tried forcing the new retainer in, but it hits a point early on where I can't screw it in by hand anymore. I don't know if I'll end up having to buy a whole new flange or what. I checked on eBay a couple of days ago & there were a few for ~$30, but they're gone now. I'll check in the for sale part of the forum here to see if any are available. One way or another, I may be stalled for another week!

Not sure what else I can do.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #428 on: July 11, 2015, 11:24:36 AM »
Have you tried to fix the threads with a large bolt with the right thread pitch? I believe that it is a 1.5 pitch, you can take a 10-12mm bolt with the right pitch and finesse the threads back to a closer state of correct.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #429 on: July 11, 2015, 04:17:17 PM »
Thanks, Desert. I decided to go ahead & just order a used part off eBay so I don't have to stall the completion of the bike any. Too excited to finally get the engine in & try a start up. Hoping the flange will arrive by Thursday or so.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #430 on: July 11, 2015, 05:10:19 PM »
I bought a tap and die set from Northern Tools (Harbor Freight has them, too) that would be just the thing for cleaning those threads.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #431 on: July 11, 2015, 05:24:29 PM »
I bought a tap and die set from Northern Tools (Harbor Freight has them, too) that would be just the thing for cleaning those threads.

That's awesome, Ron! Do you have a link to the set online? We actually have a northern tools up here in Knox.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #432 on: July 11, 2015, 05:54:16 PM »
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #433 on: July 11, 2015, 07:27:25 PM »
Thanks, Desert. I decided to go ahead & just order a used part off eBay so I don't have to stall the completion of the bike any. Too excited to finally get the engine in & try a start up. Hoping the flange will arrive by Thursday or so.

I'm right there with ya brother.......Mayble fired today and ran on all 4! She aint there yet, but I'm getting ALOT closer.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #434 on: July 12, 2015, 06:49:18 AM »
Have you set the float levels with the clear tube trick yet? easier now before the carbs go back on. Wasn't it a wet cylinder that started this whole adventure? Make sure those tiny little upper body vents are clear to atmosphere. Definitely easier to check before they go back on.

Nice work on the engine painting, it's going to look good this bike, you're almost there, get the carbs sorted and it will run sweet as well.

When you finish yours, I've got one that needs a cleanup.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #435 on: July 12, 2015, 08:57:13 AM »
Have you set the float levels with the clear tube trick yet? easier now before the carbs go back on. Wasn't it a wet cylinder that started this whole adventure? Make sure those tiny little upper body vents are clear to atmosphere. Definitely easier to check before they go back on.

Nice work on the engine painting, it's going to look good this bike, you're almost there, get the carbs sorted and it will run sweet as well.

When you finish yours, I've got one that needs a cleanup.

Hey enwri, always good to see you back here. I haven't reset my float levels yet (ii set them when I rebuilt my carbs last year, but I'll recheck them), but your questions made me want to post all the photos & document all the symptoms I was having before I took the engine out.

What started all this? Well, I had the bike back together for about a month last summer & was having a lot of fun riding. One day, I pulled up to a stop sign about 50 yards outside of my dad's house & he was out in the yard. He mentioned that he could see white smoke coming from my muffler. I pulled into his garage & tried to check it out. Took a couple more rides after that & the problems seemed to get worse. Before long my head gasket was leaking too.

Smoke (May be hard to tell, sorry): Head gasket leak:
I was also losing oil. Fast. I changed the oil twice before finally removing the engine. When I changed it, it looked as though it was mixed with gasoline -- very dark, something was definitely wrong. That same oil (mixed with whatever else) was coming out of my exhaust as well. See the first photo below.

I checked my spark plugs & one of them looked like the second photo below, three of them looked like the third photo below.

The last ride I did was the worst one. The bike was stuttering a lot & quit on me a couple times. Fortunately I was able to get it back to my dad's garage. When I got back, I looked inside the gas tank (which I had just filled a day or two before), & the tank was completely empty! No wonder it was acting like it had no gas.

I took the exhaust off & noticed three of my exhaust valves had a white coating on them. See the fourth photo below. The remaining exhaust valve looked normal from what I recall.

So out came the engine. When I removed the head, I noticed the bottom of the exhaust valves had a rustic brown tint to them, see the fifth photo below.

Finally, I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it, but when I took the engine out I checked the carbs. One of my main jets was completely out of the emulsifier tube. The last photo below is what it looked like when I took off the float bowl, just sitting there staring up at me. I must not have tightened it down enough. I figure this is how all my gas escaped on the last ride?

Here's a summary of what I've done to the engine:
- All new gaskets, o-rings, & pucks (with non-hardening gasket sealant), gasket installed dry except for the cam cover gasket, which I added non-hardening sealant to)
- new cam chain roller & guide (left the old chain in since I only rebuilt the top end, bike has 25k miles)
- New piston rings
- Cylinders honed
- New intake valves
- New valve stem seals
- Standard valve work
- APE hd studs
- Head machine work, (decking, etc)
- Rebuilt oil pump



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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #436 on: July 13, 2015, 01:13:20 PM »
Does it matter if the rear wheel is on or not when you install the engine? My guess would be no. If not, I may go ahead & put the engine back in tomorrow night with my dad's help. That way I can get everything hooked back up while I wait on the new rear wheel stuff to come later this week.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #437 on: July 13, 2015, 02:19:55 PM »
you could have a bare frame and install the engine...............go for it!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #438 on: July 14, 2015, 05:32:33 AM »
enwri commented on this video & noted that one of the cylinders isn't firing. I had no idea because I hadn't heard the bike run before.

I found a thread online here http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31742 where someone installed a new Pamco unit like me & also had gas coming out of the exhaust. I'll have to investigate more...

Above I mentioned that 3 of the exhaust valves had a white coating & one didn't. That one valve is #3 exhaust valve. #3 spark plug had a much darker coloring from the others, as you can see in the photos above. Maybe it was #3 that wasn't firing?
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #439 on: July 14, 2015, 06:03:51 PM »
Engine is in. My rear wheel flange should arrive tomorrow night, then I'll get the swing arm & rear wheel back on.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #440 on: July 14, 2015, 06:27:33 PM »
All right, Nate!  Getting close, man!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #441 on: July 14, 2015, 06:30:00 PM »
Looking good, you must be getting a bit excited about running it.
If you still have the carbs off, look down the throats and see if you can see if all the slides are opened exactly the same height.
Put a light behind them and screw the idle speed adjuster down slowly while looking and make sure they all close at the same time (no light shining through)
Or look up Bench syncing, even a tiny difference in height will effect the idle sound. Doesn't really matter once the throttles are open while riding, but makes all the difference when idling.
Vacuum syncing when its running is the proper way, but benching gets them really close.
The float levels are very important too, all the carbs have to be exactly the same or you may never get it quite right.
It may have been that which made it sound a bit chunky in the video, but no main jet in one certainly wont help.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #442 on: July 14, 2015, 08:31:42 PM »
She's a looker!! 
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #443 on: July 14, 2015, 08:35:38 PM »
Its getting close!!!!!!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #444 on: July 15, 2015, 06:21:54 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement, guys!

Looking good, you must be getting a bit excited about running it.
If you still have the carbs off...

Carbs are still off. I'll look over them in the next couple nights to make sure everything is set properly. Is it okay to put thread locker or something on the main jets to ensure they stay in the emulsifier tubes this time around? Has anyone else ever had a main jet come out like that?

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #445 on: July 15, 2015, 08:45:13 AM »
Any tips for getting oil pressure back in the engine on first start? I was able to find the following thread with some solid info: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=12686.0. Just wondering if you guys have a standard procedure you follow.

I primed my oil pump after rebuilding it & put about a quart of oil in the cylinder head, as recommended by hondaman's book.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #446 on: July 15, 2015, 09:21:06 AM »
If you dont that, crank it up with Kill Switch off, it should pump oil pressure in less than a minute of cranking.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #447 on: July 15, 2015, 11:50:08 AM »
If you dont that, crank it up with Kill Switch off, it should pump oil pressure in less than a minute of cranking.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #448 on: July 15, 2015, 02:52:28 PM »
You guys are much braver than I am.  I could not personally imagine starting an engine I rebuilt for the first time without having an oil pressure gauge.  Even if there's a short in your oil light and it stays on, you know you don't have to worry when you peer down there and see that you're getting good pressure. 
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Resto-mod, Knoxville
« Reply #449 on: July 15, 2015, 03:32:02 PM »
Ron,

With the kill switch on, the bike will not fire, but just cycle the engine.
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2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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