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5061 km border fence
« on: September 17, 2006, 10:00:51 AM »
Apparently there have been unconfirmed reports of frisky Canadian rodents crossing over the border without proper ID in search of willing female accomplices.  :o   Until the 3 trillion dollars US allocation for a proper fence can be passed, special units have been deployed to the Great Plains section.... ::)
 
the CBC news report  -   http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/09/15/us-border.html         

"Let the 5,000 mile border between Canada and the United States stand as a symbol for the future. Let it forever be not a point of division but a meeting place between great and true friends"  - Ronald Reagan, 1978 -
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2006, 10:20:53 AM »
   Damn, we are attempting to isolate ourselves at every level aren't we :(  Has it always been the "American Way" to live in fear and distrust? In my lifetime I've been robbed, beaten, and nearly killed by people(not one came from Canada). Guess I'll go encase myself in cement to prevent this from happening in the future :P
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2006, 10:43:54 AM »
   Damn, we are attempting to isolate ourselves at every level aren't we :(  Has it always been the "American Way" to live in fear and distrust? In my lifetime I've been robbed, beaten, and nearly killed by people(not one came from Canada). Guess I'll go encase myself in cement to prevent this from happening in the future :P

Maybe we should try harder to be bad neighbours!
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 10:46:18 AM »
scondon - when I first read the news report I thought this must be a joke - when I realized this is reality   several things went through my head - incredulity - insulted - anger - sadness
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2006, 11:56:47 AM »
scondon - when I first read the news report I thought this must be a joke - when I realized this is reality several things went through my head - incredulity - insulted - anger - sadness

   Yeah, I experience that on a daily basis. It's called Television :D :D   Seriously though, if I took everything I saw on television and the internet and included it as my own personal "life experience" then things like monolithic fences start to look attractive. I mean there are horrific acts that people inflict on others throughout the world and that is ALL my TV news shows me. 114 people murdered in my city each year, genocide in Africa, Middle East insanity, you name it. And the message my media gives me is "spend your money so it won't happen here".Fences, police, jails, more laws, more laws, more laws. Incredible :-[

   To me it all boils down to fear of death and/or losing my precious belongings and I am being aggressively sold, each day, some product or idea that will somehow stave off the inevitable. Now if there was a device that turned off the ignition of every cell phone user I would buy it :D

     Isolationism breeds closed minds and a nation of followers in my opinion. I mean we are told that we are "right" and that we must "protect ourselves from evildoers". Who are the "evildoers"? Well, "they" are. Simple as that. Black and white, right?   I guess, but I still want to experience it for myself. Thank you very much but I don't want your "protection". I have had the pleasure of meeting people from many countries and many walks of life with widely different views and I am richer for it.

     Todays experience:  Went for coffee and bagel and a little kid was squeeling in delight over my "Mo-mo". Said when he "grow'd up" he wanted a "Police car motorcycle". Came home and hit the garage. Raiders are on the radio, sucking Big Time as usuall. Impact driver didn't work and the phillips head is knackered, time to bust out the Dremel. Got a call from a buddy who moved away and he's doing well at the new job. And all I can think is "when are they gonna build that fence to keep those #$%*in' Canadiens out"? :D :D :P :P :'( :'(
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2006, 12:42:52 PM »
Yes, but it's not us that the US wants to keep out. It's the miscreants (foreign?) who want to enter the US via Canada. I can understand why the powers-that-be would want to make it tough for bad guys and gals to get into the US, but frankly a big fence isn't going to do it.

Neither is insisting that a person has to have a passport for ID. I wonder when it will all ever end....
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2006, 01:08:54 PM »
So, like, what happens when you get to Lakes Superior, Huron, Erie and Ontario? Out west, there are at least two Indian Reservations that straddle the border and I don't see them getting fenced! Of course, no one has thought about the Kanesatake tribe in Quebec - how could they smuggle anything?

The stupidity of politicians posturing. Every country in the world has them. I think they do it to keep our attention diverted from the real important stuff they are or are not doing(solving Iraq, Afghanistan, health care, education and social unrest).

Hmm. Sounds like the hippie in me is coming out again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2006, 01:26:47 PM »
Then there are the fence manufacturing lobbyists.. I bet they are seeing $$$'s. ;D
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2006, 03:47:40 PM »
so how do they figure they will fence the lakes? We got cubans coming over all the time in boats. A fence is just a PR stunt that our govt is trying to pull so they can keep our heads in the sand and keep us blind to the govt corruption that is occuring.

Makes me want to visit the australian zoo more and more!

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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2006, 03:49:20 PM »
Then there are the fence manufacturing lobbyists.. I bet they are seeing $$$'s. ;D

Now, now, Bob. Now you are being cynical! I thought that was my job!
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2006, 04:16:53 PM »
Christ the Americans LOVE Spending money on NOTHING to "appease" the masses ???

"so how do they figure they will fence the lakes?"
An perfect example would be Osoyoos Lake in BC/WA  1/2 of the lake is in BC the other 1/2 WA  "Indian Reservation on one side a campground on the other".

LOL we used to go down in the boat waterskiing and stop in for cheap beer all the time. You still can!



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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2006, 04:54:30 PM »
It is just political BS, so I hope our Canadian friends don't take it personally.  The 5th paragraph says it all.  They want a fence on the Mexican border, but that is a politically charged subject, so they are pretending to treat all borders the same.  It is just CYA for a bunch of spineless politicians.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2006, 04:57:05 PM »
Thats it, time to ditch the useless motorcycles and start manufacturing fences.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2006, 05:03:45 PM »
Hey I resemble that remark, I'm a fence builder on my own place,
perhaps I can get a lucrative government contract for fence building.

AND, what makes Nick J. think Canadians are not "miscreants". I spent considerable time
in Ottawa and around several years back, I know some Canadians ;)

My outside woodfurnace  is of Canadian manufactured, a friend here is a dealer and makes a regular
trip up and has told me of some of his resent border crossing adventures.
He went back with some defective parts to exchange once and the Canadians told him he
ought to declare them so he would have to pay tariffs on the way back through.
So he went back to the uS customs to declare the parts and of course they searched every
inch of his Toyota Pick up. But I had another friend who hauled across and back
a 30' horse trailer and was never searched once. A lot of "terrorist can get in a 30' trailer
with living compartment too!
Then the same friend who is the wood stove dealer was coming back and was searched
again by the uS border custodians. He had a roast beef sandwich which he had taken
in from the uS and was bringing back to eat on his trip home. The guard told him
he couldn't bring the beef in. Might have mad cow. He asked if he could eat it.
Guard said yes, so he ate it right there on the spot and threw the wrapper in the trash.

Makes me feel a whole lot safer now that I know Canadian miscreants will not be slipping in with
mad cow beef. Brought in by a Mennonite terrorist (my friend is Mennonite a known dangerous religious
sect.).

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2006, 05:47:53 PM »
I live in a rural area a mile north of the NY border. My wife & I cross often and are never hassled, it's all in how you treat the border folks, they're just doing their jobs. A friend last spring was on his property (heavily wooded)close to the border and ran into a guy crossing from NY into Quebec with a suitcase. When my friend made his way back to his house there was a van parked in his yard with NY tags waiting for this dude, go fiqure. There is definitely some back & forth, but even if there was a bloody fence, nothing some bolt cutters wouldn't solve.

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2006, 06:08:03 PM »
Its reassuring to read the views of 'ordinary' citizens (like me) from the US and see that the rhetoric we hear every day in the media is  the viewpoint of a certain few and not the majority.  Thanks guys, I feel a lot better now ;D    I wonder what SiliconDoc would say about this ;)
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edit - seems the news item from last March doesn't hot link - it reports that new 600rpm 7.62mm machine guns are now being fitted on USCG vessels
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2006, 06:09:46 PM »
Mennonites are right above the Amish on the  terror alert program.

I don't think the Amish fly in planes.......but
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That difference does not make us less vigilant. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2006, 02:47:04 AM »
Don't forget to add in the media's attempt to sensationalize every statement uttered to make it anything but a slow news day.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2006, 02:55:23 AM »
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but even if there was a bloody fence, nothing some bolt cutters wouldn't solve.

I agree 100%. Even the Berlin Wall, with armed gaurds, wasn't 100% affective even with a shoot-to-kill policy. If I had some spare funds, I might consider investing it in the Mexican bolt cutter industry. ;)
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Re: 5061 km border fence
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2006, 08:11:09 AM »
, what makes Nick J. think Canadians are not "miscreants".

Oh, I know there are Canadian miscreants out there. I've been known to do some miscreanting myself. But don't tell anyone. It was only beer.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2006, 01:28:43 PM »
, what makes Nick J. think Canadians are not "miscreants".

Oh, I know there are Canadian miscreants out there. I've been known to do some miscreanting myself. But don't tell anyone. It was only beer.

 :) Beer or other things have been none to make miscreants of even the best of us :)

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2006, 03:12:00 PM »
I'd be all for border fences if they'd let me choose certain states that would fall on the other side.

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2006, 05:14:08 PM »
I'd be all for border fences if they'd let me choose certain states that would fall on the other side.

And some of us might want the odd province on your side of the fence!!
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