Author Topic: K2/K5 Drag project (Read 108931 times)

BPellerine · « **Reply #700 on:** August 02, 2015, 09:36:13 AM »

the swingarm and the rear wheel on the suzi cost more than a budget racer on the bike I saw,so speed costs whatever you choose to race,but I guess it is a choice between vintage vs modern in any case.billp

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #701 on:** August 02, 2015, 10:09:15 AM »

Just trying to look at this from an outside point of view. For the last year and a half I've felt like I'm working towards a dream or goal and I honestly don't know what's at the other end. In reality, it takes money to race anything.. I'm at a point in life where the desire far exceeds the finances I have available. But if there's a desire usually there's a way to make it happen. One reason I love the SOHC750 is because its the only motorcycle I've actually spent thorough time and energy learning about. And parts are abundant and cheap for the most part. If we start talking new technology, that's BIG buck$..

So at the end of the day I need to find a balance in all of this.. I think about RC engineering every day it seems, I want to incorporate today's technology but in a way that still represents the soul of these old motors.. But more than anything.. I want to go FAST!

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #702 on:** August 02, 2015, 11:29:01 AM »

Kids! They want it all

Trey, follow your dream where ever your billfold takes you. You're a breath of fresh air to us old geezers. Like I tell my daughter - have fun just don't do anything stupid

That evolved from my grade school advice to her - Listen, think THEN choose.

ivanhoew · « **Reply #703 on:** August 02, 2015, 12:00:43 PM »

turbo ,the 750.

dragracer · « **Reply #704 on:** August 02, 2015, 03:10:25 PM »

If you already have the Cbr, and want to go fast then I'd my limited finances on it instead of the Sohc. I'd buy a frontend lowering strap first and some rear suspension lowering links. I'd next purchase a set of bolt on swingarm extension blocks first along with a longer chain and brake line. There are eBay packages out there cheap. Or you can call hardcore cycles or evil arms for a price on a chromemoly arm if you've got the extra money. The next step is an airshifter. A pipe and power commander with a custom dyno tuned map would be my last purchase before adding a dry shot of nitrous with a spray bar system.

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #705 on:** August 02, 2015, 06:51:08 PM »

#$%* Frank, a cam is MUCH cheaper

and another step in the right direction.

dragracer · « **Reply #706 on:** August 02, 2015, 10:04:22 PM »

Jerry, I'm being truly realistic about the Honda. They're relic's in terms of drag racing. Not one of us on here will set a pro street record with an SOHC. Trey wants to go fast, not just faster. No matter what he does to that bike, it will never have the potential the newer Honda he now owns. As his friend, I'd be derelict in my duties if I encouraged him to keep pouring money into a bike that limits his ultimate goals. I say keep tinkering with the sohc, have fun with it, get seat time and then graduate as your pockets dictate.

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #707 on:** August 02, 2015, 11:27:47 PM »

As of right this moment its just me and the SOHC.. I love the CBR for the fact that its the fastest production bike Honda currently offers.. And Stotz and Father have shown what it can do. But something tells me I could try to set the bar perhaps.. I'll keep tinkering with my 750 for now. But Frankie is right.. I want to go fast! Not faster

But you are right on track though bud. I was gonna get as comfortable as I can with the CBR stock then add a the few go fast add ons you mentioned and see where it puts me. A shot of nitrous would probably be much easier to set up then turbocharging..

dragracer · « **Reply #708 on:** August 03, 2015, 07:40:13 AM »

When keeping a short wheel base bike stock, I've found that at least buying a lowering and lowering links make it much easier to launch. Its the best money you can spend without breaking the bank. An airshifter and shift light will help consistency.

754 · « **Reply #709 on:** August 03, 2015, 09:50:20 AM »

Drag racing is like having a hole in your wallet..
The only thing that somewhat closes the hole is bracket racing..

Get consistent, leave things alone and win..

dragracer · « **Reply #710 on:** August 03, 2015, 11:02:56 AM »

Quote from: 754 on August 03, 2015, 09:50:20 AM

Drag racing is like having a hole in your wallet..
The only thing that somewhat closes the hole is bracket racing..

Get consistent, leave things alone and win..

I agree with those statements wholeheartedly Frank.

But now it seems our young protégé has outgrown consistent and only has his eyes set on FAST. I just want him to understand he won't go FAST on an SOHC in relation to todays technology. Not even that turbo, injected, alcohol set up on the SOHC is going to match naturally aspirated sportsbikes today. Larry Hayes is a prime example. He's just trying to lower his personal best times because he realizes his full tilt SOHC based dragbike will never be as quick as his competition in pro open. I'm just glad he's still out there with the old bike.

Remember, we were young once and wanted to go faster/quicker. Back then a kit and a pipe would get you all you thought you could handle on an SOHC. Its just not going to cut it today going up against showroom fresh bikes. Eventually, all of us came to realize that and settled in to just enjoy our old dinosaurs for what they are- Trey's not there yet in my opinion. Hence, his desire to move up to something more modern. Once you twist the throttle of a new fuel injected bike, the old Honda's seem like clunky turtles.

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #711 on:** August 03, 2015, 01:06:51 PM »

I appreciate all the input as always guys. I'm happy to have so many of you to talk all this over with and to get view points that all seem to be in my best interests. I wont ever stop tinkering with and racing the SOHC Honda. It's all I've built whatever reputation I have with.. But like Frankie mentioned I've recently realized that my dreams of becoming a champion racer arn't going to happen with a SOHC motor.. Right now I dream of running in the 6's on a street bike.. And I want it to be a Honda. And yes I understand the serious amount of money,time, and luck it would take to make it happen.

I enjoy and plan to explore many classes for motorcycle drag racing. Bracket racing is awesome and im happy to have learned about it.. But I defiantly don't want to leave myself short when I know I can do anything I set my mind to.. And I really want to see 200mph in the 1/4 someday

dragracer · « **Reply #712 on:** August 03, 2015, 02:31:38 PM »

Final thought Trey, work on winning a champion in street ET on the Honda to build up your racing resume. Always master the small pond before jumping into the deep blue sea.Sponsors like to see past results prior to shelling out big bucks on an unknown. You make waves against the heavy hitters in street and someone up top will pay attention. Crawl before you try to run and the game is yours for the taking.

BPellerine · « **Reply #713 on:** August 03, 2015, 06:30:55 PM »

how long did it take to get your bike turning the times it does now dragracer?any racers I have known seem to take awhile to get on top of their game,but never seem to give up.billp

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #714 on:** August 03, 2015, 09:11:34 PM »

They got dragracers schools for trying this on their big bikes and insurance, still want to go fast/faster, then buy the CBR! Try it on their equipment first, my .02, Bill

POPS 911 · « **Reply #715 on:** August 05, 2015, 05:11:25 AM »

TREY: Listen to FRANK win on the 12-10 seconds bikes first then climb the ladder to SE. [ a ET. class you could run in with a old time 750cc ] SG, TG, CRAZY 8'S, THEN REAL STREET = better have deep -deep pockets !! Wait until you let go of that clutch on a two step at 10,000 rpm's , back on them bars , and hit that shift light thru 4-5 gears.................. maybe a BOX OFF THE BUTTON ON THE TOP BULB......

POPS BK911

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #716 on:** August 05, 2015, 05:25:26 AM »

I understand POPS.. Frank and I were talking about it last night and I really appreciate both of y'all's advice more than I can mention. I have the want, I just need to take my time I suppose.

I plan to finish the year in S.ET and run in SE at the finals in November. If I can get everything together were going to try to have purple rain ready for Rockingham

Going to TnT this Friday and see if I can get another 12.xx time slip. I found the cause of my air leak was in the air/air switching solenoid so I replaced it with a MPS switch. So hopefully no more missed shifts between 4&5!!

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #717 on:** August 08, 2015, 07:08:16 AM »

Got out again last night for TnT. Got 6 passes in the 3 hours I was there for once and bike ran really consistent again. 13.0x almost all night with 1.9 60's for the most part. Only one good reaction time on the last pass. My buddy got a bunch of good video. I'll post the links shortly.

Lots of fun as always!

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #718 on:** August 08, 2015, 12:03:39 PM »

Consistency wins!

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #719 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:42:16 PM »

Looking forward to the vids!

POPS 911 · « **Reply #720 on:** August 09, 2015, 05:37:10 AM »

As I always say they do-not pay more money for ET or MPH at the end of the day in Street ET. = they payout for the MOST winning tickets, so go get some !!!! Those winning ticket will make you see that your on the right path in YOUR LANE to beating those bikes that run 170mph in the 1320' = makes me live another day. Learn this first, it starts on that LAST YELLOW BULB and if you win those numbers the wins will come = NO RED LIGHTS !!!!!! FIRST ROUND LOUNGE [ GOING HOME ]

POPS BK911

dragracer · « **Reply #721 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:48:53 PM »

Quote from: POPS 911 on August 09, 2015, 05:37:10 AM

As I always say they do-not pay more money for ET or MPH at the end of the day in Street ET. = they payout for the MOST winning tickets, so go get some !!!! Those winning ticket will make you see that your on the right path in YOUR LANE to beating those bikes that run 170mph in the 1320' = makes me live another day. Learn this first, it starts on that LAST YELLOW BULB and if you win those numbers the wins will come = NO RED LIGHTS !!!!!! FIRST ROUND LOUNGE [ GOING HOME ]

POPS BK911

And once again Pops, you've brought us all back to reality. ET and Mph doesn't win in a bracket race. Only consistency. Bracket racing and index classes are for the common working man. Heads up, out the back door classes are not. Plain and simple.

POPS 911 · « **Reply #722 on:** August 10, 2015, 03:23:41 AM »

FRANK : The only guy I ever heard talk more about what he was going to DO = was BILLY VOSS and a few seconds later he went out and CHOPPED THERE HEADS OFF !!!!! BILLY is long in the tooth now-a-dayz but will take you down in the bat of a eye......... a real racer and not a talker. Big Smile CHAD INSLEY didn't talk any but had a basket full of win tickets against the best, ask them boyz in DIV.3 NHRA finals at INDY. Not only did he have a HONDAMATIC ST/ET he had a pro bar bike with a KZ roller bearing motor [ now with a BUSA MOTOR ] in a KZ frame one word " DEADLY ".

NalleyRacing · « **Reply #723 on:** August 27, 2015, 07:11:32 AM »

Well this weekend was alot of fun but I was missing the action Saturday and Sunday!

I did everything I can to take advantage of being around some of the worlds best racers. A few questions here and there but mostly open ears and eyes.. And there was some talkin' at this event..

So I came back to Texas with a few new approach's to try out on my bike here at the local track.. And tomorrow and Saturday are Test&Tune!

Aside from the changes in my approach I also wanted to address a problem I noticed the last few times out and show you my attempt at fixing it..

I have tried to concentrate on having solid launch's and low 60's. I learned to rest my nut$ on the tank, feet up and inline with the crank, and wrap the rpm's up to 6-7K.. This has been very helpful in getting my 1.91's.. But I did notice that right before the 60' mark that I would slide my body further back on my seat and feel a rush of power before I actually changed gears.. This came from my leathers covering the intake stacks for cylinders 1&4.. My knees were so tight to the frame that it blocked almost all air being pulled to those cylinders.

I have taken a stock air box apart and used the top half to act as a cover for the outside edges and so all the stacks pull even air from a closed environment.. We will see if it has any effect on my 60' times tomorrow

dragracer · « **Reply #724 on:** August 27, 2015, 07:57:21 AM »

Well my friend, sounds like the trip was well worth it to learn different launch techniques. You also had a personal epiphany on the air blockage. Keep watching, listening and practicing. You've gotten better since you began this journey and the time slips show it in black and white. Most of all, enjoy yourself. See you in Valdosta. Uhh, bring a back up bike this time.

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