Topic: weebles wobble

[Deltarider]

It's the title of a Chuck Berry album.

[nccb]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Motorvate

[Deltarider]

Thank you very much! So it is motoring with no particular place to go.

[nccb]

lol, yes.  just like the song 

[Stev-o]

1. Do you guys think it's worth it to try and find needle bearings for the swingarm?

2. What about tapered bearings for the head?

1. No

2. Yes

[BobbyR]

Still I don't know the meaning of the word Motorvatin'. What does it mean?

what is the context?  I couldn't find it in the thread.  I am assuming its a play on words - motivating and engines (motors) = motorvating leaving out the g for dialect.

Exactly, it was a made up word from Southern slang to catch your attention. It caught your attention didn't it.

[bjbuchanan]

Honda Mans price is higher because he does more than just put the bushings in there like you are gonna. The money covers higher quality oilite bronze bushings honed to fit the swinger and collar properly. Other little stuff too. Not the same as just putting bushings in there

Turnaround is a function of price. For what you get out of it it is cheap labor wise. Do what you want but you aren't comparing apples to apples

[MiGhost]

While replacing the swingarm bushings, You will also want to replace the center collar that rides in the bushings. It will probably be some 30+ years past regular maintenance also.

None of the OEM swingarm parts are available from Honda any longer. If your local dealer has them in stock. Get them quick while they still have them.

Once you locate, and purchase the necessary parts. Then figure the labor involved. You will find that hondaman's price is quite reasonable for custom fitted bushings.

Common replacement/upgrade for the steering bearings is the All Balls Bearing kit.
part# 22-1011 for the CB650.

[Sticky Gerbil]

Replaced the swing arm bushings with OEM bushings from local honda dealer. Took me ~2 hours, excluding the grinding off of unnecessary tabs and painting of the arm with Rustoleum that I found in the attic when I moved in two years ago. That job is waaaaay easier than control arm bushings on a car.

Steps:
1. drink.
2. freeze bushings
3. remove arm.
4. drink
5. ruin a billion rags getting the nasty ass grease off of the inside of the arm.
6. pressure wash arm.
7. sand and then carb clean arm.
8. drink.
9. paint arm.
10. decide that the paint is really awesome and touch up bike frame with paint. Get carried away and paint everything else that can be thought of.
11. drink more and shout at episodes of House.
12. wake up the next morning, smash bushings in with hammer.
13. reinstall arm.
14. take arm off because you didn't run the chain the right way.
15. reinstall arm.
16. ride the crap outa that joker.

Ass end of the bike is now tight (no pun intended), but the wobble is back. Also, I popped my 4 day old front tire. Grr.

Any way, the front fork has begun leaking. I guess we can all guess where I'm going next. I wish they made a kit with dust caps, fork seals, and fork oil in a box. Any recommendations on oil weight?

[750K]

Good to see you remembered to drink between steps, hydration is key lol.

One possible cause addressed, on to the next...

[Stev-o]

Doesnt sound like you drank enough, hence the issue. I use ATF in the forks.

[BobbyR]

Ass end of the bike is now tight (no pun intended), but the wobble is back. Also, I popped my 4 day old front tire. Grr.

Any way, the front fork has begun leaking. I guess we can all guess where I'm going next. I wish they made a kit with dust caps, fork seals, and fork oil in a box. Any recommendations on oil weight?

Losing a front tire is no joke. You are lucky you did not wreck.

[scottly]

Also, I popped my 4 day old front tire. Grr.

Just how did you "pop" your 4 day old front tire??

[Sticky Gerbil]

I came outa work after a bad morning to find the #$%*er flat with a sliver of metal through it. I limped it home and plugged it until I can afford another one. It was a bad day- I drove my antique van back to work and was subsequently towed. Mistakenly. As in, they admitted they were wrong, but the way that it works in Knoxville you still hafta pay for the tow.

[Deltarider]

I drove my antique van back to work and was subsequently towed. Mistakenly. As in, they admitted they were wrong, but the way that it works in Knoxville you still hafta pay for the tow.

Reminds me of that great episode in Tom Wolfe's A Man in Full.

[Sticky Gerbil]

It reminds me of my life. You know, where I wanna punch the world in the throat.

[Stev-o]

It reminds me of my life. You know, where I wanna punch the world in the throat.

Bad attitude. It's all karma, ya know?

[RJ CB450]

I will say this.  "wobble is normal"

NO
NO
NO

There are rare situations which can death wobble, but should be rare and never caused by a bike.  I have had it happen at high speeds hitting odd road surface, but that is it.

You said it is on decel.  That could mean couple things and I have a suspect but will list all.

First, stethescope.  Can hear before feel.  Put on stand and feel for play in tree.  Then listen while moving for grinding or clacking.

Second, rear swing arm for play.  Repeat with listening.

Third.  Spin them tires.  Once more, feel for play and listen.

Now back to the rear.  Verify alignment.

Finish with what I suspect.  Your chain.  Engine braking reverses chain tension because wheel drives the engine.  Inspect chain tension and sprockets for signs of binding.  Saw a guy highside it from engine brake on a quite new bike because chain put him into wobble and it bucked him.

[Sticky Gerbil]

Fair enough, but you must have not read the thread. Will check the chain, but read above before suggesting things, please.

And I don't have a baditude. I have an awesome attitude. Everyone wants to punch the world at some point. Don't get all Irish and bottle it up man...

[750K]

It reminds me of my life. You know, where I wanna punch the world in the throat.

#$%*, I hear that. Some days you can't win, no matter how hard you try and karma has nothing to do with it. Sometimes you gotta run with that anger, PMA is a load of bull#$%* the way I look at it. Most of the people I know that are all about their PMA are the most downer biter #$%*ers around, I bet they would be happier if they embraced the #$%*ty days and used it to fuel the fire to keep running.

End of rant, carry on lol

[RJ CB450]

Fair enough, but you must have not read the thread. Will check the chain, but read above before suggesting things, please.

And I don't have a baditude. I have an awesome attitude. Everyone wants to punch the world at some point. Don't get all Irish and bottle it up man...

Read the thread.  I repeated some suggestions before it went onto motorvatin'.  If there was more in there besides the wobble and some suggestions to check, got lost in the off topic.

[Sticky Gerbil]

750- ya seriously. I use anger as fuel for success.

Gonna see about a new chain- mine is nasty as hell anyway. Calling Honda today- so far their prices are competitive with internet- and I don't hafta pay for shipping. Hopefully tomorrow will have new chain and fork seals in.

[Lostboy Steve]

Replaced the swing arm bushings with OEM bushings from local honda dealer. Took me ~2 hours, excluding the grinding off of unnecessary tabs and painting of the arm with Rustoleum that I found in the attic when I moved in two years ago. That job is waaaaay easier than control arm bushings on a car.

Steps:
1. drink.
2. freeze bushings
3. remove arm.
4. drink
5. ruin a billion rags getting the nasty ass grease off of the inside of the arm.
6. pressure wash arm.
7. sand and then carb clean arm.
8. drink.
9. paint arm.
10. decide that the paint is really awesome and touch up bike frame with paint. Get carried away and paint everything else that can be thought of.
11. drink more and shout at episodes of House.
12. wake up the next morning, smash bushings in with hammer.
13. reinstall arm.
14. take arm off because you didn't run the chain the right way.
15. reinstall arm.
16. ride the crap outa that joker.

Ass end of the bike is now tight (no pun intended), but the wobble is back. Also, I popped my 4 day old front tire. Grr.

Any way, the front fork has begun leaking. I guess we can all guess where I'm going next. I wish they made a kit with dust caps, fork seals, and fork oil in a box. Any recommendations on oil weight?

This is the best explanation I've ever heard. Just make sure the "drink" is Bourbon on the rocks.

[Sticky Gerbil]

Replaced fork seals- about a two hour job with a deep clean of the bits inside. I bought jen-you-wine Honda seals, dust covers, and retaining dealies from Honda for about 50 bucks out the door. Pulled forks off and disassembled them- the retainers had become one with the tubes and the rest of them was in the bottom of the forks deep in some nasty sludge. I deep cleaned everything and put those bad boys back together, then filled with fresh ATF. Bike drives a lot better, but the damn wobble is still there when decelerating with no hands at 40mph.

Goddamnit.

I am bound and determined to fix this, so like House we shall brainstorm and fix this damn wobble. Hopefully the bike doesn't have sarcoidosis.

Should I put a new chain next?

[Sticky Gerbil]

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