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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2014, 02:40:27 PM »
When the steering damper is there, do not forget to set it back to stiffer mode if released it to make handling easier in very low speed. I have forgotten that,bad surprise. I usually had and still have it in stiffest mode.

That is a very good point, there is no need to have the steering damper set too stiff when riding slowly, like in most city or suburban streets, if the damper is set too stiff you will feel a slow weave at slower speeds , it feels weird, so when riding normally round town just leave the damper at a lower setting, if its a 8 - 10 position damper, around 3 or 4 will do fine, click it up a couple of notches for more spirited riding, you won't get that weave at higher speeds like highways...... ;)
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM »
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2014, 07:58:31 PM »
Here is my hinged mount, first the reinforced frame part.
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2014, 08:56:53 PM »
Glad it worked out. I think a damper is a good idea at worst and a life saver at best.


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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2014, 09:21:04 PM »
Notice the damper in the pic of the first test bikes. Like Terry said a while back, Honda cheaped out, just like with the dual front brakes: mounting provisions were made from the very beginning, but weren't utilized, apparently to keep costs down.
What carbs are on the bike in that photo?

That's a picture of one of the test bikes that Honda used in the Nevada test runs, after they were introduced at the new bike expo. You'll notice the back of the clutch case is different, too. The carbs were 28mm Keihins that strongly resembled the ones from their racing bikes: too expensive to put on production bikes. If you study that picture long enough (boy, I sure did when it appeared!) and then look at a K0 sandcast, there were over 40 visible differences. Then if you study a sandcast vs. a K1, there are over 20 external differences again.

The only "production" 750 I ever saw with a factory damper was that odd 700cc bike at Mannheim Honda (near Chicago) in 1970. It was outwardly a sandcast 750, but it had sucked a valve: when I saw it the engine was apart and they were trying to find a valve, as it was not a CB750 intake valve. Smaller bores, longer stroke by 2mm, had a steering damper that resembled closely the ones from the 1964-67 CL72/77 (250/305cc) Scramblers, but was shorter and thinner.

Terry, does this sound like the one you have? It mounted to the lower triple tree with a ball-joint bolt and a castle nut (with cotter key) and to the crosspiece on the front of the frame, under the tank. There was no long "adjuster" rod sticking out of it, as was found on the ones in the famous "racing kit" from Yoshimura. I don't think it had any adjuster at all (much like the Scrambler versions).
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2014, 12:00:11 AM »
Here is my hinged mount, first the reinforced frame part.

Thats nice Frank, you making those..?
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2014, 12:26:26 AM »
Notice the damper in the pic of the first test bikes. Like Terry said a while back, Honda cheaped out, just like with the dual front brakes: mounting provisions were made from the very beginning, but weren't utilized, apparently to keep costs down.
What carbs are on the bike in that photo?

That's a picture of one of the test bikes that Honda used in the Nevada test runs, after they were introduced at the new bike expo. You'll notice the back of the clutch case is different, too. The carbs were 28mm Keihins that strongly resembled the ones from their racing bikes: too expensive to put on production bikes. If you study that picture long enough (boy, I sure did when it appeared!) and then look at a K0 sandcast, there were over 40 visible differences. Then if you study a sandcast vs. a K1, there are over 20 external differences again.

The only "production" 750 I ever saw with a factory damper was that odd 700cc bike at Mannheim Honda (near Chicago) in 1970. It was outwardly a sandcast 750, but it had sucked a valve: when I saw it the engine was apart and they were trying to find a valve, as it was not a CB750 intake valve. Smaller bores, longer stroke by 2mm, had a steering damper that resembled closely the ones from the 1964-67 CL72/77 (250/305cc) Scramblers, but was shorter and thinner.

Terry, does this sound like the one you have? It mounted to the lower triple tree with a ball-joint bolt and a castle nut (with cotter key) and to the crosspiece on the front of the frame, under the tank. There was no long "adjuster" rod sticking out of it, as was found on the ones in the famous "racing kit" from Yoshimura. I don't think it had any adjuster at all (much like the Scrambler versions).

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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2014, 01:31:14 AM »
I only made the one, hinge is a lot of work.
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2014, 04:32:46 AM »
Various size frame clamps are available here:
http://www.motorcycle-parts.com.au/Steering_Dampers.htm

And Fast From The Past offers several different sizes for the NHK Dampeners:
http://www.fastfromthepast.com/servlet/the-Steering-Dampers-cln-NHK-Dampers/Categories

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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2014, 06:38:29 AM »
I rode my CB750F Chopper to work tonight. As I was heading south on I-55 and exiting onto I-355 south, I hit a massive pothole at about 70 mph. The front wheel came off the ground when it hit. While it was still in the air, the rear wheel hit and came even higher off the ground. I came off the seat and off the pegs. When the front wheel came back down, it started to go into a speed wobble. After about two or three oscillations, however, it straightened out and I was able to regain control. Other than some shaken nerves and a bruised ass, I came away unscathed.

I am certain that without the NHK steering dampener, the speed wobble would have gotten worse and I would have gone down hard. I cannot express enough how thankful I am that I installed that on my bike.

Unless you are doing a concourse restoration, I encourage everyone to install a steering dampener on your bike. They are not difficult to install and may save your life too one day!

Now I hope you report that pothole to the CHP BEFORE some other motorcyclist is injured or killed.  Just a few minutes of your time.

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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2014, 06:44:18 AM »
Not sure California Highway Patrol cares about potholes in Illinois, but worth a shot... :)
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2014, 08:29:25 AM »
Not sure California Highway Patrol cares about potholes in Illinois, but worth a shot... :)
I should have worded that better, I meant to say anyone anywhere can report nasty potholes in their areas and the local ABATE and MSF lawyers will work with the local authorities to correct it. Its a simple form, basically asks for what kind of obstacle and where. They won't ask for your SSN, blood type and how many organs you have left to donate...;)

EDIT: oops, nevermind, you're talking about the CHP..
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2014, 03:13:19 PM »
Various size frame clamps are available here:
http://www.motorcycle-parts.com.au/Steering_Dampers.htm

And Fast From The Past offers several different sizes for the NHK Dampeners:
http://www.fastfromthepast.com/servlet/the-Steering-Dampers-cln-NHK-Dampers/Categories

Did you see the price of the clamps....!!!!, i'll weld on a bracket for free.... ;D :o
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2014, 03:19:38 AM »
Maybe something like this friction model.....

http://www.farleyandace.com/damper.html

This type is factory installed on my 305 Dream and I've never had any high speed wobble problems!

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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2014, 04:46:18 AM »
I knew I had seen it somewhere. To whom it concerns, here's some advice to address wobble and weave. From 04:30 on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsDIq3WwVA
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« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2014, 03:53:07 PM »
I knew I had seen it somewhere. To whom it concerns, here's some advice to address wobble and weave. From 04:30 on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsDIq3WwVA


Mate, although there a few points to consider there that is all old hat and contrived to get the results they wanted. Although they touch on geometry for about 10 seconds, most of the bikes mentioned there had KNOWN handling problems BUILT IN, poor rake and trail numbers for a start, the Z900 is well known for it, so is the first model Z1R and the BMW handle bar mounted fairing...For anyone that cares, the shopping trolley runs NO CASTER, completely different to a motorcycle, if bikes were built with no caster they would be unrideable..., tire tech has come a long way since then as well so i think it may help your argument to provide something more modern in its application... If i had a bike that handled like that yellow Honda in the video i would be doing some serious maintenance on it, that was just an exaggeration... Just as a matter of interest, I weigh the same as "light weight John" in the video, their point regarding weight has been drastically over exaggerated there as well as is with the tire pressures way out to promote bad handling, who would have guessed right.... :o.... Sponsored by Dunlop.... ::)
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« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2014, 04:54:46 PM »
I knew I had seen it somewhere. To whom it concerns, here's some advice to address wobble and weave. From 04:30 on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsDIq3WwVA


Mate, although there a few points to consider there that is all old hat and contrived to get the results they wanted. Although they touch on geometry for about 10 seconds, most of the bikes mentioned there had KNOWN handling problems BUILT IN, poor rake and trail numbers for a start, the Z900 is well known for it, so is the first model Z1R and the BMW handle bar mounted fairing...For anyone that cares, the shopping trolley runs NO CASTER, completely different to a motorcycle, if bikes were built with no caster they would be unrideable..., tire tech has come a long way since then as well so i think it may help your argument to provide something more modern in its application... If i had a bike that handled like that yellow Honda in the video i would be doing some serious maintenance on it, that was just an exaggeration... Just as a matter of interest, I weigh the same as "light weight John" in the video, their point regarding weight has been drastically over exaggerated there as well as is with the tire pressures way out to promote bad handling, who would have guessed right.... :o.... Sponsored by Dunlop.... ::)

I might start riding my Z1 with my scuba diving weight belt to prevent wobble. That will do it, right, Mick?!
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Re: My steering dampener saved my life tonight!
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2014, 07:19:09 PM »
I knew I had seen it somewhere. To whom it concerns, here's some advice to address wobble and weave. From 04:30 on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsDIq3WwVA


Mate, although there a few points to consider there that is all old hat and contrived to get the results they wanted. Although they touch on geometry for about 10 seconds, most of the bikes mentioned there had KNOWN handling problems BUILT IN, poor rake and trail numbers for a start, the Z900 is well known for it, so is the first model Z1R and the BMW handle bar mounted fairing...For anyone that cares, the shopping trolley runs NO CASTER, completely different to a motorcycle, if bikes were built with no caster they would be unrideable..., tire tech has come a long way since then as well so i think it may help your argument to provide something more modern in its application... If i had a bike that handled like that yellow Honda in the video i would be doing some serious maintenance on it, that was just an exaggeration... Just as a matter of interest, I weigh the same as "light weight John" in the video, their point regarding weight has been drastically over exaggerated there as well as is with the tire pressures way out to promote bad handling, who would have guessed right.... :o.... Sponsored by Dunlop.... ::)

I might start riding my Z1 with my scuba diving weight belt to prevent wobble. That will do it, right, Mick?!

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