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Offline BuffaloFunk

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Mirrors and Safety
« on: May 19, 2014, 11:35:31 AM »
Not sure if this is the correct place, but...

Well, I'm entirely new to motorcycle riding, so I don't have any experience to base this off of.  So, how do I properly aim my mirrors?  What should I be able to see in them.  I currently feel like the stock mirrors on my '77 CB550 are almost useless and I spend more time adjusting them than anything else.  In the end, I feel like I'm always trying to see around my shoulders and arms.

I took a safety class and they didn't mention mirrors at all and the class bikes had them all broken off.  I didn't notice until I hit the roads and struggle to monitor vehicles around me.  Due to the lack of a "rear view" mirror like in a car, I'm a bit confused on where I should aim them to help me the most.

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 11:44:29 AM »
got some good ( expensive)mirrors.

.then you dont have to adjust..just set them once...and they will work for ever..i have mine so i have to move my arm a bit inn a bit to see all...but for a qvik look i dont have to...

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 11:55:10 AM »
I use cheap bar end mirrors, they're out wide enough for your body not to be in the way.
With standard mirrors on many unfaired bikes you need to move your body out of the way.
Although a good look over your shoulder without the mirror can be safer.

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 12:01:12 PM »
I was taught to use mirrors AND look over the shoulder regularly.

That said, as totty, I have cheap bar end mirrors and they work well enough likely because they are sticking out furthest from the bike.   I adjust them to cover road behind me and the respective left or right lane.
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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 12:26:24 PM »
So bar end mirrors give a better view than the stock ones?

What is required to mount them?  Currently at work so I can't look, but aren't the stock grips closed ended?  So some new open ended grips?

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 12:39:18 PM »
Before you buy some bar end mirrors consider these Highway Hawk AGILA mirrors - like watching HD TV -  crystal clear and stable at highway speed. The thing about bar end mirrors I dont like (and I have a cheap set and an expensive set) is they make everything look small. The mirror is already small! So good luck on seeing that cop behind you way back in the highway. The AGILA mirrors dont have that issue. Here they are on my K4. Elbow does not get in the way and everything is super clear with no vibrations.





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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 12:45:14 PM »
No matter what mirrors you use, turn your head regularly. We call them life savers and they are taught by driving instructors, you will fail the bike test if they aren't used.
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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 01:02:51 PM »
no mirrors on the class bikes?great!to adjust them sit on the bike vertical,then turn your head right around as if to scan the lanes next to your rear left and right and imagine a car there,adjust for that spot,i like flat glass but use a little spotter mirror on the right side,youll want one on the left,or both?you will have to move your head around somewhat to pan in your mirrors theres no other way,you should also be turning your head to look aswell,helmets blind out some pheriphal vision,a lot of bar end type are in a bad spot and prone to easy damage.

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 04:04:37 PM »
Andy, you are right about cops. I spent many nervous minutes checking my mirrors and trying to decide if a cop is trailing me or not.

Of course I never go over the speed limit :)
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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2014, 05:35:48 PM »
The thing about bar end mirrors I dont like (and I have a cheap set and an expensive set) is they make everything look small. The mirror is already small! So good luck on seeing that cop behind you way back in the highway.

That is a nice looking mirror, but I have to disagree with you on the blanket statement about bar end mirrors.  The Napoleons I have on my K1 are a good size (at least as much real estate as the ones in your pictures), they are just slightly convex to show more area without decreasing the apparent size too much, and they are made of good quality glass so they are crystal clear as long as I keep them clean. 

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 06:15:42 PM »
When I acquire a new (to me) bike, I almost always find the mirrors on it annoying.  When the bars are lowered from stock, the stock mirrors are too low and far from a casual viewing glance.  The stock replacement mirrors are usually flat glass and give a smaller rear view.  These are ok, but then everyone appears to be tailgating me, which makes me nervous and often annoyed.  True stock mirrors are slightly convex, which gives me a shoulder reference while also what is behind me and in either lane left or right.  Plus tailgaters have to be right on my fender to elicit a big worry.

Bar end mirrors require a radical vision departure from where you are going, as they are usually well outside standard peripheral vision.  I don't think looking away from forward traffic is being very alert or defensive.  And, I like using peripheral vision "triggers" to note changes in traffic status behind me.  It's been more than a few times the movement in the mirror alerted me to an overtaking car or motorcycle, preventing me from moving to the opposite side within the lane.  Plus, bar ends they make the bike wider, and more difficult and restrictive to lane split, fit through alleys, etc.  The only time I ever nicked a car mirror was with a bar end, type.

Yes, I do habitually look behind on either side before whole lane changes.  But, those glances are very brief when traffic changes are developing in front of you in spaces that you are moving into.

I will admit, my head swivel motion extremes have diminished as I've gotten older.

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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 06:55:19 PM »
That is a nice looking mirror, but I have to disagree with you on the blanket statement about bar end mirrors.  The Napoleons I have on my K1 are a good size (at least as much real estate as the ones in your pictures), they are just slightly convex to show more area without decreasing the apparent size too much, and they are made of good quality glass so they are crystal clear as long as I keep them clean.

I stand corrected! Thanks for the feedback Gordon. I bought cheap ones and expensive ones and while the expensive ones are better I still find it hard to see much detail in them due to their size and the reflection given. I also agree with a lot of what TT says in his post above. But...

At the end of the day its what works for you and as long as you can see something in them then its all good. I always do head checks in any case when changing lanes but use mirrors for seeing if cops are way behind me on the highway or someone is approaching  a traffic light or stop sign too fast behind me.
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Re: Mirrors and Safety
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2014, 10:06:06 PM »
1+ on the Napoleon style bar end mirrors. I mounted a set on my clubman's a couple of years ago, and they give a good field of view without having to shift either my head or arms very much.
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