Topic: gun massacre

[dave500]

another one?

[ken65]

It was sad watching the father of 1 of the murdered kids on TV making a statement about his son.

[Retro Rocket]

another one?

Run Dave, I can hear the rednecks lining up to abuse you and convince you everyone NEEDS guns.....popcorn time.... ....

[nccb]

don't worry, there will be another one in a couple weeks.  It's sad, but I thought "which one" when I read your question.

[BeSeeingYou]

Which "another one" are you referring to?  We recently avoided a mass school shooting here when the kid was caught just by luck.  Had a storage locker filled with bomb making material/finished bombs and seven guns in his bedroom.  Along with that was a notebook detailing his plan to kill his family and then go on a rampage at school. By all accounts a nice law abiding family with all the prerequisite family hunting photos and NRA memberships.  The dad even shows up in court wearing his NRA Don't Tread on Me t-shirt.  Maybe he should have put more thought into WTF his kid was doing with seven guns in his bedroom.

[MCRider]

No accounting for crazy. 

[nccb]

Thats what I mean, I have lost count of all this #$%*.

[calj737]

another one?

Run Dave, I can hear the rednecks lining up to abuse you and convince you everyone NEEDS guns.....popcorn time.... ....

I'm a "redneck" I guess by some people's standards. But you'll never hear me advocate for more guns to solve this type of problem. I just don't understand how you can solve this problem and still provide for those law abiding citizen's rights. It's a tragedy of the highest order, no doubt. And the dilemma is even greater.

My deepest and most heartfelt condolences go to these victims and their families. As tragic as it is, it is not even the tip of the iceberg of the violence that plagues our streets in a daily basis. What makes these events so tragic to the general population is that it usually involves young, innocent people as the victims and not those "engaged" in criminal wrongdoing (drug and gang related violence). That latter group escapes the national and global media. But the death toll there is much, much higher. Odd we seem to pay so little attention to those events.

Retro, I am thinking more and more about our prior thread on how Australia has overcome this nightmare and still lives a genuinely safe civil lifestyle. I envy all of you being spared this senselessness.

[wardenerd]

I see these events and i honestly feel no law stops crazies from shooting and stabbing people and I do believe that when I carry a concealed firearm it makes me and those around me safer.  Its why retired law enforcement people continue to carry after retirement.  I do not intend to stop any robberies or be a hero but I also do not intend to be a victim of a crazy person.

[faux fiddy]

No accounting for crazy. 

I think one of the aspects of this one was that this guy was not getting any attention from the ladies and was retaliating for not gettin' any action.  From what I understand he was wanting to kill everyone because he was still  a virgin and couldn't get a date.

If prostitution was legal , maybe he would have been spending his money on poontang instead of guns.

[ekpent]

Another one where there were plenty of red flags if their family would quit living in denial and take some action beforehand. 

[simon#42]

another one?

Run Dave, I can hear the rednecks lining up to abuse you and convince you everyone NEEDS guns.....popcorn time.... ....

I'm a "redneck" I guess by some people's standards. But you'll never hear me advocate for more guns to solve this type of problem. I just don't understand how you can solve this problem and still provide for those law abiding citizen's rights. It's a tragedy of the highest order, no doubt. And the dilemma is even greater.

My deepest and most heartfelt condolences go to these victims and their families. As tragic as it is, it is not even the tip of the iceberg of the violence that plagues our streets in a daily basis. What makes these events so tragic to the general population is that it usually involves young, innocent people as the victims and not those "engaged" in criminal wrongdoing (drug and gang related violence). That latter group escapes the national and global media. But the death toll there is much, much higher. Odd we seem to pay so little attention to those events.

Retro, I am thinking more and more about our prior thread on how Australia has overcome this nightmare and still lives a genuinely safe civil lifestyle. I envy all of you being spared this senselessness.

 these comments prove you are no redneck by my standards

[Duke McDukiedook]

another one?

Run Dave, I can hear the rednecks lining up to abuse you and convince you everyone NEEDS guns.....popcorn time.... ....

Joe the unlicensed plumber beat you to it already.
 

[dusterdude]

Didnt he stab 3 people and run over one or two with his car,then he shot two.lets see,stabs 3,runs over two?,shoots two.its seems the knife wins this one but all you libs want to do is focus on the damn gun.get a life


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[Retro Rocket]

another one?

Run Dave, I can hear the rednecks lining up to abuse you and convince you everyone NEEDS guns.....popcorn time.... ....

I'm a "redneck" I guess by some people's standards. But you'll never hear me advocate for more guns to solve this type of problem. I just don't understand how you can solve this problem and still provide for those law abiding citizen's rights. It's a tragedy of the highest order, no doubt. And the dilemma is even greater.

My deepest and most heartfelt condolences go to these victims and their families. As tragic as it is, it is not even the tip of the iceberg of the violence that plagues our streets in a daily basis. What makes these events so tragic to the general population is that it usually involves young, innocent people as the victims and not those "engaged" in criminal wrongdoing (drug and gang related violence). That latter group escapes the national and global media. But the death toll there is much, much higher. Odd we seem to pay so little attention to those events.

Retro, I am thinking more and more about our prior thread on how Australia has overcome this nightmare and still lives a genuinely safe civil lifestyle. I envy all of you being spared this senselessness.

 these comments prove you are no redneck by my standards

+1.....

[Retro Rocket]

Didnt he stab 3 people and run over one or two with his car,then he shot two.lets see,stabs 3,runs over two?,shoots two.its seems the knife wins this one but all you libs want to do is focus on the damn gun.get a life


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Theres not 1 thing you can say that will convince me that your country should be crawling with guns, I already have a great ,safe life, maybe you should grow a brain and consider the 100's of 1000's of innocent people that have been shot just so you can maintain your fantasy right, this isn't personal Duster, this should be common sense, do you really want me to list the multiple shootings since this topic was last debated, and who cares what this idiot did, he SHOULDN"T have had access to guns at all, simple.......?

I see these events and i honestly feel no law stops crazies from shooting and stabbing people and I do believe that when I carry a concealed firearm it makes me and those around me safer.  Its why retired law enforcement people continue to carry after retirement.  I do not intend to stop any robberies or be a hero but I also do not intend to be a victim of a crazy person.

I can understand where you are coming from being in law enforcement, you would know better than anyone the amount of guns on the street. There needs to be a serious shift in mentality right across the USA, until then nothing will change. There are other countries with excessively high gun ownership but none of them share your murder rate, therein lies the problem...

[petercb750]

Didnt he stab 3 people and run over one or two with his car,then he shot two.lets see,stabs 3,runs over two?,shoots two.its seems the knife wins this one but all you libs want to do is focus on the damn gun.get a life


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So the (how many?) people he missed or wounded don't count....has to be a death to be included in your stats? Anything to justify the idiocy.

[demon78]

Once again I should keep my mouth shut, but,,,, there used to be an old saw/ folk tale about how god invented strong drink to keep the Irish or Scots from conquering the world maybe you could say the same about guns in the states, because it seems that the best and the brightest are targeted more. As a north american I've given up trying to make sense of what goes on south of the border just keep it across the line, in some sense I think that the people of the southern cross are lucky they don't have it next door, it starts to spill across into Canada and that really pisses me off.
Bill the demon.

[BobbyR]

Well, the problem is a bit more difficult than it would be Australia. It is estimated that per capita there are about 89 guns per 100 people in the USA as of 2007. I am sure the number has risen.

Australia has about 23 million people and we have about 317 Million people. Since records of Gun sales are a fairly recent development, no one really knows how many there really are and where they are.

I suppose they could pass a law, but realistically it would be ignored by enough people for it  to be a token gesture. The Genie is out of the bottle, and has been for decades.


     

[BeSeeingYou]

In the week leading up to the killings in Santa Barbara.  80 gun related deaths.


Alabama:

    Christopher George Handley was shot to death on May 20.
    James Madden was shot to death on May 17.
    Hassan Johnson, 20, was killed on May 19.
    34-year-old Michael Thornton was killed May 18.


Arizona:

    Ramon Garcia was shot to death on May 17.
    Charla Faust was shot to death on May 20.
    Faustino Solis Garcia, 23, and Kassandra Medina, 20, were shot to death on May 21.

Arkansas:

    Douglas Cloyes, 72, was killed in a domestic disturbance on Sunday.
    James Green, 56, was chased out of his apartment and fatally shot on Sunday.

California:

    A shooting at a barbershop left one dead and three injured
    Sunday night.
    Derrick Whitfield, 23, was shot to death at the Potrero Hill housing complex on May 21.
    Gail Temple, 75, died from a gunshot wound on May 16.
    April Jace, 40, was shot to death on May 20, reportedly by her husband, actor Michael Jace.
    A 26-year old mom was killed by stray bullet in Compton on Tuesday.
    Anthony Johnson, 28, was shot to death on Monday.
    A man shot in Oakland on Monday became the city's 31st homicide of the year.
    Leonicio Banuelos was shot to death on Saturday.
    Janet Jimenez, 17, "was riding in a car late Friday with friends when someone fired into the vehicle, striking her in the upper torso and killing her."
    A Stockton, California, shooting and fire left one dead on Sunday.
    A 69-year-old was shot dead by an armed robber on May 16 while hiking with his 76-year-old companion.
    There was a triple shooting in San Bernardino on May 16 that resulted in the deaths of 21-year-old David Lawler, his 20-year-old half brother Terry Freeman and cousin Kavin Johnson.
    Alex Gines, 23 was shot to death on May 17.
    A woman shot to death in Hyde Park in Los Angeles on Monday.

Colorado:

    Marcus Anthony Armstrong, 44, was shot to death on May 19.

Florida:

    Clausell Stevens, 23, was shot to death on May 18.
    Alex Mazzan, 20, was shot to death on May 19.
    Frank Carl Jones III was shot to death on May 18.

    Victor Navarro, 24, was shot to death at a barbershop after demanding Xanax and brandishing a weapon.
    Terrell Williams, 30, was reportedly shot to death while in passenger seat of the truck that was not his.

Georgia:

    Marshal Tucker, 48, was found dead of a gunshot late Monday night.

Illinois:

    Juwan Williams, 18, was shot on May 18 and died two days later.
    Kayshaun Hall, 17, was shot to death May 19.
    Leonard Goldman, 29, was shot to death on May 19.
    Lewis Jenkins, 38, was shot to death on May 21.
    Brian McKinney, 20, was shot to death on May 22.
    Robert Waldon, 18, was shot to death on May 22.
    Kevin Diaz, 14, was shot to death on May 22.

Indiana:

    Two men were shot to death at the front door of a home in Indianapolis late Monday night.

Kentucky:

    Crystal Parker, 25, died from an apparent gunshot wound on May 19. Police arrested and charged her estranged boyfriend.

Louisiana:

    Early Tuesday morning or late Monday night, a 16-year-old male was shot dead in Tangipahoa Parish.

Maryland:

    James Lee Butler, 28, was shot (multiple times) and killed on Saturday.
    Davon McLaurin Sr., 37, was shot dead on Wednesday morning.
    John Jackson III, a 40-year-old father of two, was shot to death late last week.
    Rodolfo Miguel Cervantes, 31, was found dead on Friday afternoon.

Massachusetts:

    Shannon Richardson, 25, was shot several times while walking a street on Wednesday. Taken to a hospital, he was later pronounced dead.

Michigan:

    Johnny Clyburn, an active duty Air Force sergeant, was shot to death on Tuesday morning. The suspect was a 19-year-old man who was the son of the women he was scheduled to marry.

Mississippi:

    A man was shot inside a Ford F-250 pickup truck late last week and died of a gunshot wound to the neck.

Missouri:

    Darrah Lane, 17, and Leon Davis, 27, were found shot to death in a car on May 21.

Nevada:

    An adult male died from apparent multiple gunshot wounds near the Desert Inn Road on May 22.
    An aspiring rapper named "Hollywood Will" died from a shot in the chest during a fight at a party in the Palms Hotel Casino on Thursday.

New Mexico:

    Jose Mesa, 27, was shot to death on Sunday. Police arrested 61-year-old Enrique Carmona.

New York:

    Lamont Smith, 45, was fatally shot near a school on May 21.

North Carolina:

    Markee Watson, 26, was shot just after 4 a.m. on May 17. Medics pronounced him dead on the scene.
    Gary Lane Jr., 36, was shot and killed early Saturday morning.

Ohio:

    50-year-old Tyrone Hilton was fatally shot in the head and his 28-year-old son Lamont Quarterman, was shot in the arm. A young girl witnessed the shooting, which happened on Sunday.
    A 28-year-old man was found with gunshot wounds to the chest by police on Monday. He died from his injuries in the hospital.
    21-year-old Raheem Stenson was shot just before midnight on March 17.

Oklahoma:

    Jesse Lee Taylor, 24, was shot to death on May 18.

Pennsylvania:

    Tezjuan Taylor, 20, was fatally shot outside a Sunoco gas station early Saturday morning.

South Carolina:

    Mitzi Larson was shot to death the day after her 42nd birthday on May 17. Her husband has been charged with the murder.
    Tyrone Moore Jr., 21, brother of an NFL star, shot to death May 17 outside a nightclub.
    Shamoray Antonio Robinson, 18, was shot to death on May 18 following an argument at a party.

Tennessee:

    26-year-old William Brock was fatally shot by his 67-year-old father, Ralph, on Sunday in what was described as a domestic dispute.
    Michael Richard, 47, was killed by the man with whom he was walking on May 23, law enforcement officials allege.

Texas:

    Two people were shot to death on May 19. The victims were identified as Dylan Headrick, and Rudy Hernandez III
    William Hill, 29, was shot to death at a shopping center on Wednesday.
    A man was shot to death at a northwest Houston hotel on Thursday morning.
    Jennilynn Montana, 6-year-old girl, was fatally shot Sunday.

Virginia:

    18-year-old Elijah-Juan Zaire Vanness of Hampton, Virginia, was shot to death on May 16.

Washington:

    Monique V. Williams, 29, was found dead on Monday in what police suspect is a murder-suicide involving her boyfriend.
In the week leading up to the killings in Santa Barbara.

Washington, D.C.:

    Simwone Keith Milstead, 36, was shot to death on May 17.
    Antwone Dwayne Tolson, 19, was shot and killed on May 19.
    Ronnell Daniels, 40, was shot and killed on May 19.

Wisconsin:

    A 34-year-old man from Milwaukee was shot dead on May 17 after what police suspect was a fight.
    One person was shot to death on Saturday in Plover, Wisconsin.

[Terry in Australia]

I have to agree with Bobby, we in Oz don't have the same gun culture as you guys in the US, so it's kind of hard to compare apples with oranges. I like old guns because I like old mechanical devices (I've got 3 guns that are well over 100 years old) but I don't hunt, (Kangaroos taste like schidt) and nowadays I very rarely go target shooting.

To ban guns would be unfair on responsible gun owners, although it could be argued that some of the guns that are legally available in the US are excessive. My boss flew to the US last year and took his wife and teenage sons to Las Vegas, not for gambling, but to spend a week shooting guns that are illegal in Oz.

It might be that my military background has dulled my interest in shooting assault rifles and machineguns, but if I went to Vegas, I'd be riding motorcycles and making a drunken pest of myself, not shooting guns, but I know some guys who've never had the opportunity to shoot military weapons get excited about that stuff.

So what's the answer? I'm fcuked if I know, it seems that nowadays people are much more prone to picking up a gun and shooting someone who's pissing them off, rather than trying to work out the problem with them, or even just punch them in the face. While I fully support the death penalty, (and wish we had it here) it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrant to the criminals, psycho's, or even the law abiding citizens who flip out and start shooting.   

Like Bobby said, if guns were banned, the last people who'd hand them in would be the nuts, so once again, the law abiding gun owners would be discriminated against. While I don't need a gun to defend my property or protect my family here, the same can't necessarily be said for my cousins in the US. Best of luck and condolences guys, while I'd love to visit the US one day, I'm in no rush at the moment. Cheers, Terry.    

[70CB750]

Check this out:

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

[calj737]

Terry - come any time you want. You'll be quite safe here and we can endorse your penchant for drunkeness and tomfoolery absent of the guns 

We have some lovely riding nearby (Blue Ridge Parkway, Smokey Mountains) or we can pop to the beach and swim in salt water free of sharks and crocs and rays. And did I mention, we have plenty of beer.

[demon78]

Srust is that a normal week or some thing unusual?
Christ! That sounds to me like a low grade war for the amount casualties generated I'm kind of curious how many were lost in Afghanistan that week not civilians but military personnel killed and wounded.
Bill the demon.

[wardenerd]

Terry calj  count me in for the ride if Terry makes the big swim.