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Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« on: October 20, 2014, 08:18:07 PM »
OK, I am ready to start re-assembling my forks.  I have looked on the forum and can't find the info.  I have also checked the manuals and still no luck.

What I need to find out is this.  The retaining bolt in the bottom of the forks (6mm allen head), does it require any thread locker or anti-seize?  Also, what is the torque spec for this bolt?  This is on a 750 K6.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 09:35:51 PM »
Hey Charlie,

Personally, I don't use any thread locker or anti-seize compound on these fasteners.  I do make sure however, that the copper sealing washer is in place and in serviceable condition.

I've seen some come with factory-installed red or yellow Locktite on them, which I believe to be way overkill.  First, this makes them nearly impossible to remove.  Second, there is no way for these bolts to fall out during use, and even if there were room on top of the axle for them to loosen up enough to leak, so what?  If that ever happens, I'll use some Locktite, I guess.

I use an adjustable air impact wrench on these bolts as well, both to loosen and then to tighten again upon re-assembly.  I use a lower power setting for tightening, and have never had one leak, cause damage, or come undone over the years.

There is probably a torque spec for this bolt, and there are probably good arguments against using my method.  That said, there is some long-standing history of using an air wrench on these bolts for good reason.  I've done more forks than I can remember, so I'll stick with it a while longer most likely.

I have had to deal with drilling out a stuck bolt at the fork bottom when the cheesy head stripped out once--the corrosion from years of outside abandonment was amazing, but I got the best of it eventually.

If you don't have access to an air impact wrench, hopefully you can get it to sit still with hand-tightening.  Assuming the threaded portion inside the fork doesn't spin on you, I'd give it a good snugging with a long hex wrench on a 3/8 drive socket driver handle.

I hesitate to throw out a number, but I wouldn't be afraid of putting about 20-30 ft/lbs on it.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 05:52:55 AM »
Shane72 & calj737,

Thank You for the info.

I have an Old Craftsman 1/2 inch drive electric impact wrench that I used to get the bolts out.  So I guess that's what I'll use to put the bolts back in.  I was a little nervous about reusing the original bolts so I bought new ones.  Should I use the new ones?  Or put the old ones back in? 

I saw no evidence of anything on the old bolts when I took them out, that's why I was asking.  Since there are a lot of threads on the forum that indicate for other things that Loctite or anti-seize should be used and I couldn't find anything about these.

I do have new copper crush washers and will definitely use them.  Thanks for reminding me!

OK, I'm scratching my head.  "Chimpanzee tight"??????  LOL  Reason I ask is that in my younger days, I could sometimes twist the heads off or break bolts using what many would consider a small ratchet and I really don't want to do that.  :) 

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Charlie

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 07:21:45 AM »
I would suppose the loctite is not a bad idea. The bolt itself can't come out since the axle is in place. If you use a new copper washer - which you should you should tighten it down enough to crush the washer a bit, but not deform or flatten it enough to leak.

When you reassemble put down the impact and use a small ratchet. I have taught people that are very strong that a two finger torque is fine, or 20 ft lbs if you have a torque wrench would be more than enough.
 
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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 07:50:22 AM »
Thanks BobbyR.

OK, it looks like I will not use any locktite.
And I will go with the torque wrench and see how I do putting that bolt in with the copper washer.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 04:12:02 PM »
Everyone mentions that the bolt can't come out with the axle in place. But what happens to the internals of  the forks when the bolt completely backs out of the hole and releases the fork rod inside? Loctite is your friend.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 05:45:37 PM »
I think it would be bad. I also think it would be unlikely. A drop of loctite for piece of mind would not hurt.
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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 06:50:46 PM »
Ok, then a drop of Locktite it is.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
A drop, small drop.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 07:44:43 PM »
I was a little nervous about reusing the original bolts so I bought new ones.  Should I use the new ones?  Or put the old ones back in? 

As long as you have new ones ready to go, I'd use them first, particularly if you're going to Locktite them.  Who knows how many times the old ones have had a wrench on them?  New bolts will only have had the wrench on them once before the next time they have to come out, which *should* make them a better fit to the wrench = less chance of rounding out the head.

And, blue Locktite is made for things that you actually want to take apart without special tools/heat.  Probably just the right formula for this application, but you probably already know this.   ;)

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 09:02:52 PM »
No reason. Not to use blue loctite.
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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2014, 06:40:51 AM »
Thanks Guys!

One small drop of Blue Locktite it is, on the new bolts.

And Shane72, (this is supposed to be funny), I do know how many times these bolts have had a wrench on them.  Once when the bike was put together in Japan, and once when I took them out to rebuild the forks.  :)  I've owned her since she came out of the box.  LOL

But I'm still going to use the new bolts.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2014, 11:58:02 AM »
Very cool that you've been the only owner!

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2014, 07:37:16 AM »
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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2014, 07:43:28 AM »
yep, I even anneal new ones that are visible when they're being put on to brighten up a "for sale" bike,  just to make certain they don't fail.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2014, 08:03:19 AM »
Could one of you explain how you do the annealing?
Never did it myself, so I need a little education.

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2014, 08:09:01 AM »
You heat it up to red color and dunk it in water.

Yes, that process would harden steel (some steel at least) but it anneals copper.

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http://www.wikihow.com/Anneal-Copper

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Re: Retaining Bolt in Fork Bottom - 750
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2014, 08:19:26 AM »
Thank You!!!!!!

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