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Offline jawntybull

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Dyna S failure (another one)
« on: June 08, 2014, 09:03:21 PM »
Ok I know this has happened to others, but I want to log yet another Dyna S failure. I have had less than 10,000 km out of my Dyna S ignition and it has started to drop one side (pickup) - ie two cylinders. It started as intermittent and became quite consistent; happening every ride. I went back to points today and the problem has gone. I have written to Dynatek to tell them and to express my view that they should not be selling a product that is so prone to failure.

Symptoms - for the benefit of others - more prominent when bike is cold; distinct lack of power that comes and goes; less than half power when it happens (bike struggled to go up a moderate hill at more than 40 kmh); but bike does not cut out totally. Clearly losing two cylinders at a time.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2014, 09:05:07 PM »
That's the 'classic failure' we've been seeing here in the last few years, Jawnty. Thanks for the report, but still saddening.  :-\
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2014, 09:14:07 PM »
I don't think id touch one but people keep buying them?

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2014, 09:23:01 PM »
yeah my mistake; should have done more research first. I suppose I assumed that if it's a product sold by a reputable company it should just work. As I said to them in my email, I don't think they should be selling a product that is so prone to failure. You shouldn't have to troll the discussion forums before buying a product from an American or Australian company.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 09:52:14 PM »
Man that's really crappy to hear. I guess I got mine back when they made them properly. The whole point of spending the cash on this is set it and forget it reliability!!!

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2014, 10:00:50 PM »
How old was it? That seems to have been more of an issue than km.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 10:04:42 PM »
About two years; I didn't install it for about six months though, so 18 months in the bike. Installation was as per instructions. No misuse ie leaving ignition on (I turn the bike off at the key).
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2014, 10:06:35 PM »
boyers switch of after like 10 seconds if key left on with non running engine.

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 10:14:10 PM »
Hmm, fairly new. Could you post a pic? Sometime in the last couple of years they changed the design.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 02:35:06 PM »
Symptoms - for the benefit of others - more prominent when bike is cold; distinct lack of power that comes and goes; less than half power when it happens (bike struggled to go up a moderate hill at more than 40 kmh); but bike does not cut out totally. Clearly losing two cylinders at a time.

When the dyna on my 550 failed it ran fine when cold but would drop 2 cyls at operating temp and was intermittent, it would drop 2 cyls then as I would head back home to take a closer look it would snap out of it and run on all 4 which drove me nuts because by the time I'd get it home and have all my tools ready to investigate it would be fine. After cleaning every electrical connection I could get my hands on and checking all the other components such as coils and resistor caps I finally gave up and put the points back in and the problem went away as soon as I did.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 02:57:49 PM »
From the depths of my foggy memory I think someone once said use resistor type plugs with these. I think it was in the HiPo section but it was a long time ago.
Did the system test bad? I  was thinking about one of these as my winter rebuild option.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 03:07:51 PM »
Dave, there was a bad couple of years for Dyna, they changed either manufacturer or upgraded them because the new systems are different from the ones that have failed, remembering that these are electronic and vulnerable to installation error, i think that a few of the failed systems would have been down to installer error. There are a number of alternatives, Boyer, Pamcoe and the ones sold by CMSNL , i'm not too sure what brand they are but they work. Dyna also have the programmable 2000 series ignitions...
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 03:33:37 PM »
Thanks for the info Retro, I knew nothing about what happened to Dyna. I'll have to read up on the alternatives too.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 03:58:51 PM »

Did the system test bad? I  was thinking about one of these as my winter rebuild option.

Mine was the previous unit prior to their latest design and it worked for about 3 years and maybe 9k miles. I was never actually able to determine what the problem was because it never acted up when I was ready for it meaning that all was well when I'd have my volt/ohm meter ready to investigate. However I felt my process of elimination was pretty thorough and the problem pointed towards the dyna and being the problem vanished the moment I put the points back in told me something wasn't right with the dyna. I actually still have it setting on my work bench, I just haven't had the balls to try it on my 750 yet to see if it does the same thing on it.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 05:40:50 PM »
Well you know someone was going to say it. I have had no problems with my points. Now let me think it is a 78 with 26,000 miles 12,000 from me in 3 years two sets of points with new capacitors runs fine. Maybe I should change to electronics to spice things up and get all that extra HP ;) and care free riding. It gets boring when it just keeps on running why not.

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 06:22:29 PM »
1 of my project bikes came with a solid state ignition.  how would I tell if its a junk or something better?  Though for the price, it has accel coils and new plug wires. lol
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 07:35:09 PM »
Failed Dyna S ignitions have been reported since I've been a member here, for over 4 years now. They typically drop 2 cylinders when hot, then return to function after cooling off. There have also been reports of issues with Dyna 2000s, but they may use the same triggers as the S. The older triggers were rather squared off, while the newer ones are slimmer and more contoured. What I'm wondering is if the new units are failing, or if this was near the last of the old style? 
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 03:39:43 AM »
Hall effect sensors can do this. The good news is that they are cheap to replace if you are detecting these kinds of problems. I'm not sure how the dyna is packaged, but they could be epoxy filled, so access might be a problem. This is why i'm all for a reluctor setup which i believe the boyer may be. If i were designing it (and i may very well do so one day), it will be reluctor based. Its a hot environment under there and electronics, no matter how good, *will* have a limited lifespan regardless of component ratings. The idea here is for the manufacturer to over-engineer the design such that it can at least give the customer a useful servicable life for the product.
  Just like your computer will die on you one day, so will your hall sensor, or power transistors, or your points and condensors for that matter. The question, how long is reasonable? 10,000kms is unacceptable and shows a clear lack of testing in a real world environment when perhaps new parts were introduced into that package, especially when so many units have come back. Either they got a truck load of iffy sensors, or it was just a bean-counter exercise.

I have a pamco, & if it ever does this, then it would be fairly easy to fix, so no worries there. I have cars in the past had the exact same symptoms. Works cold, then once warmed up, misfires then stalls. Happened on a 3 lane highway one day. I swap out the distributer with another and it all comes good. So its probably a $3 sensor thats gone nutter at the end of the day.

As for the points vs electronic debate, i'm not sure why people bother debating this. Both work, so its whatever tickles your fancy. A great combo is what Hondaman has done, so take a look into that as well.

I think the initial post is good. Not to discredit dyna, because many have had them for years and are running just fine, but more to let others know of what they might expect if they experience these symptoms.

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 12:30:09 PM »
the boyer is reluctor,a pair of magnets pass a pair of tiny coils.

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 08:09:07 PM »
I've recently been turned onto the C5ignitions.com units. I guess they're developed by PowerArc and are alleged to have numerous advantages over the Dynas.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 09:57:38 PM »
Of course anecdotal evidence isn't worth a damn, but I have only ever had 1 problem with a Dyna ignition and it was after 4 years of hard use, some of it out in the elements with no cover on it, and likely 25-30,000 miles while I was a bike messenger. When it did fail I swapped the points back on for a week and sent it back to them. They looked at my 1/2 assed hand written receipt from 4 years ago, and sent me a whole new unit for free. Now after another who knows how many years and ten years of sitting in the driveway, less than a mile from the beach, the bike is still running on that same Dyna.

Do they no longer have a 5 year warranty?

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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 10:04:17 PM »
1 year warranty. If your dyna is over ten years old, it was made before the problem started.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2014, 10:29:19 PM »
This is why i'm all for a reluctor setup which i believe the boyer may be. If i were designing it (and i may very well do so one day), it will be reluctor based.
The CB 650 uses a reluctor, and it *might* be possible to adapt the advance assembly to other bikes. The index pin is 3mm, vs 4mm for the 750, and it is a bit longer, so a deeper "point" cover may be required. The 650 pickup plate is smaller in diameter, so a 750 points plate would have to be modified to mount the pickup coils, or maybe a custom plate would need to be fabbed? The 650 reluctor and coils will trigger  common GM HEI ignition modules.
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2014, 12:36:53 AM »
have a look at Suzuki gs450 twin set up!if you can trigger gm or bosch modules youll have a great ignition.
look a bit familiar?
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Re: Dyna S failure (another one)
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2014, 03:41:27 AM »
Maybe a bad batch?  In the hunt for cost cuts, bad components are used that fail after a while. I have seen that and keep seeing it at my job.
I hope my will last longer, purchased this year after frying the PAMCO due to bad ultimate coil where the terminals popped off.
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