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Offline Airborne 82nd

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2014, 08:45:29 AM »
Stev-o is right on that for sure. You can make a temp. gas tank just for tuning the bike. You need the bikes tank out of the way any how. You can make one cheap out of a old lawn mower gas tank plus they have a shut off valve on them. But your tank will need a complete cleaning or that stuff will keep on screwing you up.
I bought this one.
 http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/10118/i/motion-pro-auxiliary-fuel-tank?SiteID=SMPR_BG_07_31_TTTMPAuxFlTnk&WT.mc_ID=14026

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM »
" 1- the old owner had a hanger holding the crabs up to the frame. Weird, but why?"
Good question and the first thing it brings to mind is the stock air filter system on this bike? That is what would normally hold the carb rack up.

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2014, 09:12:30 AM »
Steve-o why is this Redkote stuff bad? I have never personally used it but it says it seals gas tanks...
Obviously it's not gas resistant hahaha

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2014, 09:19:28 AM »
Steve-o why is this Redkote stuff bad?

It's not a bad product but something went wrong. Most likely, the tank was not prepped properly.

I've used the Caswell epoxy coating on two of my tanks, great product, highly recommended.

http://www.caswellplating.com/restoration-aids/epoxy-gas-tank-sealer.html?gclid=CjkKEQjwk9CcBRDEopHmnZa5td8BEiQAr2BckB4NdV9DMFCs-3DH92wkFUDGWoO73mYfUGgN8CHieEHw_wcB
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2014, 04:19:17 PM »
Ok, I have power at the connector, where bot coils hook to, but it's only reading 6.32volts. Is that low?

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2014, 06:49:48 PM »
Trickle charged the battery for a bit and now have better voltage on everything.

I have good voltage at the black/white connectors. Blue connector for the coil that's working has power but the  yellow does not. I only have .22 voltage on the yellow wire anywhere I check. Confused on where/what to check  next. The wiring diagram shows the yellow going to points and condenser. Nothing there either.
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2014, 07:00:14 PM »
Ok, I have power at the connector, where bot coils hook to, but it's only reading 6.32volts. Is that low?

Yes that is way to low you should have battery voltage at both coils. Where did you have the meter leads connected? Maybe the black meter lead was not grounded good. Try red lead on the black/white wire at the coil and black meter lead on the green ground where the coils mount to the frame. One of the first thing I do to a new to me bike of this age is disconnect EVERY wire from the headlight to the tail light. It is the only way I can have peace of mind going down the road 20 miles from home at 2am. It may seem over whelming at first when you pop that headlight out of the bucket but you can do it. I have never seen 6.32vdc except on a 51 chevy ;D Just to get it going you need to clean all the fuse holders. Wires at the key switch kill sw. coil wires and all grounds

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2014, 07:20:22 PM »
After a little charge I am getting 10 volts going into each coil. I get voltage on the blue wire ( one that is working) but very little on the yellow wire.

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2014, 07:50:42 PM »
After a little charge I am getting 10 volts going into each coil. I get voltage on the blue wire ( one that is working) but very little on the yellow wire.
No reason to take any more readings until you get the battery up to 12.6 minimum 12.8 to 13 better.

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2014, 07:53:27 PM »
Forgot you should still have the same reading as the battery if not you are losing it through bad connections but get the battery up to 12.6-12.8 first.
EDIT check the battery after charging and let it rest not hook up to the bike for two hours before taking the reading.
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2014, 07:59:02 PM »
Ok I will charge it up tonight.

1- the PO installed this toggle switch instead of having the key switch. They tapped into the wire harness (see pic). upon checking wires my hand touched where he connected the toggle to the red and it is way HOT. The other end is connected to the red as well but is not hot :-\

2- opened headlight and saw that a brown wire is twisted with a brown/white and a red twisted with a black wire :o

Holy crap! hahaha, what a mess. Not sure if any of this would cause my problem

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2014, 05:00:18 AM »
Not the spark issue


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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2014, 05:32:32 AM »
The person that did the wiring should not be allowed to EVER work on electrical parts until he learns how to do it right. You really need to go through the complete harness and clean things up no wire nuts or tape.
Here is good how to with great parts to do it right.
http://www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com/ConnectionRepair.html

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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2014, 06:08:13 AM »
The brown & brown/white does indeed connect together in the bucket that is correct ( with bullet connectors). Brown is your tail light so with key on tail light comes on. The brown/white goes to the little lights in your speedometer and tachometer so now they come on when ever tail light is on. The red wire comes from the start sol. goes to main fuse comes out of fuse then goes to ignition sw. The black wire is switched power that means whith the key sw. on the black gets hot and feeds several things throughout the bike that need it. Don't know why anyone would tie it to the red?? Take it apart and see what happens. Get rid of those red crimp on connectors.
EDIT the red to black is where the key sw. would have connected if stock.
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2014, 06:17:03 AM »
 Heat on a connector could be loose or dirty contacts. I don't see that toggle sw. but maybe that explains why the red & black are tied to each other.
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2014, 08:17:47 AM »
The pinkish color to your gas could be Marvel Mystery Oil.
I coated my tank for winter with MMO, and when I flushed it before its first start, it had that blush wine color  :P
If your tank is showing bare metal inside...I would assume its just MMO.  Rinse it out with a pint of gas, and then use that gas in your mower, or just fill your tank and run it.  It wont hurt.
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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2014, 09:27:29 AM »
Not the spark issue


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Re: '77 750 no spark on 2&3
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2014, 05:35:25 AM »
thanks for the info guys. I will work on the wiring while the tank is getting cleaned out.

flybox the gas was a dark red when i emptied tank

air box the toggle is attached to the 2 news wires that were spiced in