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Offline ChrisR

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Bike smash
« on: September 20, 2006, 03:14:46 PM »
Well, we were sitting down having a coffee outside on the pavement in London after delivering some sculptures for a show we are having. Lovely sunny day, watching the world go by - when THUMP right in front of us a bike is t-boned by a car turning right. My Dad and I rush over and amazingly the guy is ok even though the front of the bike is completely wrecked and he was thrown over the car. Petrol and brake fluid all over the place. I get the guy out of the car through the passenger side as his door is stove right in and he is ok too. Both guys very shaken and groggy.
The rider's head smacked right against the side of the car in a really sickening way. Ambulance and police arrived pretty quick - hats off to them clearing up accident carnage all day long.
Don't know who was to blame - probably no-one. The rider was filtering down the middle of the road at about 30 MPH and the driver was indicating but I guess didn't look behind at that crucial moment. It was a busy street with lots of vehicle movements to take in, all happening at great speed.
Brings it home how vulnerable bikes are and how you've really got to watch out when you are filtering 'cos no-one is going to be watching out for you.
That rider is going to be very sore tomorrow but I'm sure his helmet and armoured jacket saved him from bad injury.
Be careful everyone.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 03:51:14 PM »
thanks for the reminder.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 04:49:02 PM »
Just a comment.

I've had people try and take me out that very way.....turning right obviously as we are on the other side of the road from you POME's.

I have always take this view.

We all have what headshrinkers call "personal space". We instinctively are aware and on guard when something enters that "bubble" around us.

I have for years attempted to be cognizant and apply a similar "bubble" around my bike. I don't drive with car next to me, in front of me, or behind me if I can help it. I use the lane and lane options to keep a stand off area around the bike.

Makes me more visible and makes for more maneuvering room.

I keep a constant scan going. I am fanatical about seeing everything around me and having a mental picture of where everyone is and what they are doing. Some one gets ready to enter the "bubble" that I consider mine the ol brain screams danger and I plan an escape option, slow down, and get ready for someone to do something stupid.

Hope everyone stays focused out there.

I for one don't ever wanna log on here and learn someone bought it. Would seriously take some of the fun out of it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 07:34:30 PM »
Man....you got that right Kghost!!! (about logging on and finding out one of the members bought it). Everyone ride safe.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 07:43:24 PM »
I have for years attempted to be cognizant and apply a similar "bubble" around my bike. I don't drive with car next to me, in front of me, or behind me if I can help it. I use the lane and lane options to keep a stand off area around the bike.

Makes me more visible and makes for more maneuvering room.

I keep a constant scan going. I am fanatical about seeing everything around me and having a mental picture of where everyone is and what they are doing. Some one gets ready to enter the "bubble" that I consider mine the ol brain screams danger and I plan an escape option, slow down, and get ready for someone to do something stupid.

I do this as well. It's interesting how you can recognize something as a potential danger subconsciously.  I've avoided several accidents without even realizing it until I had either slowed down or was out of the way.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 07:23:31 AM »
Me too! I always expect other people to be stupid! When I have somebody (oncoming) turning left (US) in front of me, I drift to the right to give me a little more time in case they pull in front of me..If I see somebody pull up to a stop, I drift toward the middle for the same reason, and to make sure they see me...AND I always ride with my headlight on! AND I try to wear bright or contrasting colors to make myself more visible.
Chris's experience is also why I got trained in first aid. The helpless feeling of seeing an accident and not knowing what to do is horrible, and as a first responder, if you don't know what to do, could mean the difference between life and death.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2006, 09:03:51 AM »
I have for years attempted to be cognizant and apply a similar "bubble" around my bike. I don't drive with car next to me, in front of me, or behind me if I can help it. I use the lane and lane options to keep a stand off area around the bike.

You are consciously applying the philosophy of the 'space cushion', in training speak. I wish that more riders would do that.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 01:59:42 PM »
Doing a first aid course has occurred to me a few times but I have never done anything about it. I know a few basic things, recovery position, airways, etc. and we checked the guy out for broken bones and knew he would be shocked, but to tell the truth if he had had anything wrong with him or his heart had stopped or something I would have been a waste of space and today I would be wondering why in hell I hadn't done that course and probably feel guilty for the rest of my life.
I will find out about it and report back. Does anyone offhand know who to contact in Uk.  St. John Ambulance do them I think and maybe the local hospitals will have something.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 02:05:06 PM »
Just found out St. John Ambulance do a half day course called First aid for motorcyclists. Cost 36 pounds + VAT. Nearest one to me is in London. Don't know how much you can learn in a morning but it's a good start I guess.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 02:08:28 PM »
this made me remember, a buddy of mine--and his girlfriend--have stickers on their helmets saying "if rider is unconcious, do not remove helmet"

i've been meaning to get one.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2006, 02:18:11 PM »
this made me remember, a buddy of mine--and his girlfriend--have stickers on their helmets saying "if rider is unconcious, do not remove helmet"
i've been meaning to get one.

Good idea.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2006, 02:20:00 PM »
You are the real deal my friend... Notice he never mentioned what brand the guy was riding. It just does not matter when something like this happens. Maybe it never does.

I Think I will start making stickers available for helmets.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2006, 02:28:18 PM »
I Think I will start making stickers available for helmets.

Sign me up for a few.......
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 09:24:11 AM »
For first aid, I joined the National Ski Patrol, (which also gives me free skiing, but there are a lot of little expenses), but Classes are also given through the Red Cross. Our classes rate us at EMT Basic, which is basic outdoor Emergency care..how to keep people going, and hand;e broken bones until the Ambulance arrives. It's a good feeling to know what to do.
I've wanted to do it for years, but like you, just never got around to it...then, about 3 years ago, we had a group of students in our studio, when a girl fainted...which technically is a form of shock...and I had no idea what to do..so within 2 weeks, I was in the class..our program takes about 6 months overall (with enhancements all the time) so it's pretty grueling, but worth it.
In addition to all the skiing injuries I've taken care of, I have had occation to use it on the street..the summer before last, I was riding down the street when I looked over and saw a crowd of people around a guy on the ground, and there was a lot of blood. I stopped, and it seems it was a homeless drunk on a bicycle, who went down a hill, aiming directly at a sign...he couldn't steer out of the way, and somehow hit the edge of the sign with the back of his head, leaving a huge gash...a woman was holding the back of his head (applying pressure) so I checked him over and took vitals, and got him ready for the paramedics...the only problem was, I didn't have my first aid kit on my bike, so I had no gloves, so I couldn't help with the cut (Gloves are VERY important in todays world)...now I have a kit on my bike at all times...
However you do it, I think it's important to know this stuff...the amount of time between when you see an accident and when the ambulance arrives can be enough to kill someone...I've become an EMT Basic, and am also certified in Professional level CPR and the use of Automatic Defibrillators, and I think it's about the best thing I've ever done.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2006, 12:06:22 PM »
stickers here and here
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2006, 12:50:49 PM »
Chris, it must be reassuring to know what to do in an emergency situation and I applaud the effort you've made to get trained up. The chances are your training will save someone's life someday (and it may well have already from what you say about your skiing work).
Riding motorcycles as we do it is an unfortunate fact of life that we will probably be involved in an accident at some time and it seems to make sense to have some training to be able to make simple life-saving decisions.
One thing that impressed me the other day was that just about everyone on a motorbike or scooter who came along after the accident stopped or slowed down to make sure that things were under control and that there wasn't something they could do to help. One guy pulled his bike over to direct traffic round the scene and another one stayed with the bike guy after the ambulance had left to help him sort his bike out for recovery.
Thinking about it no-one in a car stopped (I think they just thought it was an inconvenience) and no pedestrians did much except gawp. I guess riding a bike makes you hope that someone would help you if you had an accident. (Although shouldn't that apply to everyone?).
Cheapo - it was a yellow Yamaha ;D but I couldn't tell you what model. It was very new and the guy - a South African - was really pissed off it was wrecked. I told him better the bike wrecked than you.
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2006, 12:54:01 PM »
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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2006, 12:55:45 PM »
Very true Chris, Bikes are replaceable, people are not.

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Re: Bike smash
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2006, 01:00:04 PM »
I like the sticker, but wonder about putting it on the back of the helmet.  Isn't there a pretty big chance people will roll you onto your back (even if they shouldn't) to check vitals?  At that point, they can't see the sticker...

I'm thinking one on each side of the helmet.

Anyone else with thoughts on this?
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2006, 01:08:22 PM »
I say put on as many as you think you need to make your message clear. Most guys just put one on the back. I say one on each side under the area of the ear should make the message clear.

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2006, 01:48:41 PM »
Pardon my density, but what is the meaning behind the stickers? We were specifically trained to remove helmets. In the case of neuro or spinal injuries, it's standard to put a patient on a backboard. You can't do that securely with a helmet in the way. If properly done, the head will be imobilized while the helmet is removed, then held while a Cervical collar is put on, and ultimately headblocked in place on the board, and the entire body is imobilized. The object is to not cause any more damage.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2006, 01:53:05 PM »
i think it's more for the average joe on the scene as opposed to someone trained to isolate the head correctly.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2006, 02:02:43 PM »
i think it's more for the average joe on the scene as opposed to someone trained to isolate the head correctly.

EXACTLY - Helmet Removal Should Be Left to The Professionals.

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2006, 02:11:14 PM »
Oh, I guess I can see that point...drunk Harley rider trying to help...pulling on head..yeah, that makes sense...
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