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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2014, 09:26:03 PM »
Also when you remove the switch make sure you are in neutral and then you can see the detent in the shift drum with a mirror and feel it with your finger. Just an FYI more than anything. When installing install the oring first in the case and then slide the switch in. If you put the oring over the switch and then try install them together at the same time it's much harder. At least in my experience.

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2014, 09:53:10 PM »
Yes...I had issues when installing the switch on the bench, so I figured out the steps by process of elimination.  I know exactly how it needs to fit.
Damn.....are we talking about a circlip or one of those thrust washers?
Main or countershaft?
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2014, 09:53:34 PM »
If you put the oring over the switch and then try install them together at the same time it's much harder. At least in my experience.
Good point, I put the Oring on the switch when I rebuilt my engine 9 months ago and had a drama getting it to seat right. I've got the engine down again right now to do tranny bearings and when I pulled the neutral switch the Oring was pinched on one side, wasn't leaking but better to put the Oring in the engine case next time I reckon, thanks for the tip.

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2014, 11:39:56 PM »
I wish I could say that I haven't done this myself, but I TRY to not lie about such things...  :-\

There's 3 things I can think of offhand that will cause the 5th-gear situation:
1. The floppy "C" shift fork isn't engaging the mainshaft right when the cases are closed. This one is sometimes accompanied by either a no-4th-gear-either, or it jumps out of 4th. I once even put this fork in upside-down, in the dark garage, and with the engine upside-down, it shifted all 5 gears fine - until I put the engine back in the bike, filled it with oil, and it was run. Had to pull the whole bike apart again to 'fix' it, and I verified my [stupidity] by ruining the oil pan gasket as I pulled it off to look up inside and see that I really did that, grr...
2. The "C" fork might be bent or worn, or the sliding gear on the mainshaft might have the groove worn wider than it should be (same problem, not enough fork "travel"). The F2/3 bikes suffer this the most, followed by the K7/8 bikes. That sliding gear (and maybe the fork) might need to be changed to fix this one, but the damage is pretty evident to the eye, in the groove and on the fork 'tines'.
3. There is (or not) a spacer on the end of the mainshaft, which works in conjunction with the snapring on the other side of the 5th gear (nearer the clutch end). This spacer on the end, by the 5th gear, is either 0 (not there), 0.5mm, 1.0mm, or 1.5mm thick. I think they went all the way to 2.0mm in the old parts lists Honda used to have, way back when. There is (usually) a spacer between the snapring and the 5th gear on the opposite side, or it might be a collection of 3 parts: a thin thrust washer, a ridged oiling washer, and another thicker (or not) thrust washer, in a sandwiched arrangement. Honda never defined how to set this, but I have figured out that it has to do with the non-standard bearing groove on the nearby bearing, the non-standard length of the inner ball race on that same bearing and the one over by the clutch, and manufacturing tolerances on the mainshaft, that stack up to the shoulder on the end of that shaft where it slides into the bearing. All together, there must not be 0.5mm of "slack", or side-to-side motion, of the 5th gear when the mainshaft is assembled and sitting in the case (or at least, that's what I go by now...). If the snapring comes loose from its groove or the thin thrust washers get bunged up, this spacing can change and 5th (or even 4th) gear can become barely engaged.

The 5th gear becomes final-spaced by the bearing on the end of the shaft, when it is set into the case, because of the retaining ring on the bearing. This sets the final "looseness" side-to-side (I hope that all makes sense?).

On snaprings:
The snaprings are supposed to be (but are not always) oriented so the rounded side is toward the moving gear (or thrust washer) next to it. If the flat side is placed against the spinning part instead, the (splashed) oil film will be too thin and the ring can work itself out of the groove. One case: Gammaflat's K6 did this some years ago (on his countershaft). I have seen virgin engines (K4 and later) with the snaprings backward on several occasions: two of these engines suffered "dislodged" snaprings which caused intermittent gear problems, one which the [chopper] rider put up with for 20 years before I found it (it would 'clunk' when the bike was in 3rd and leaned into a left turn). I don't ever remember seeing this assembly error on the pre-K4 bikes, so I surmise the technicians changed along in there, somewhere?

You can try to measure the insertion depth of the mainshaft's sliding gear into the 5th gear, but it's tricky. There is supposed to be 3mm minimum, 6mm max (I've never seen 6mm) of 'penetration', as the old manuals put it...On most of the post-1976 bikes I've measured this, it was barely 3mm. This is where those shim thicknesses on both sides of the 5th gear come into play: if there isn't enough depth, the shim spacer could be increased to move the gear over more, or removed, as the case may be...it is the machining of the width of the upper case's bearing races, plus the non-standard retaining ring groove on those mainshaft bearings, plus the non-standard width of the inner race collar of those grooved bearings, that cause all of this. I suppose this is why Honda's part manuals listed these bearings as "Special High-Speed Bearing", back in their days?

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2014, 07:40:42 AM »
Replacement neutral switch in, fully seated and working as intended.
Going to go for a long back roads ride today, but it's looking like I need to dig into this thing  :'(
Thanks Hondaman for that great response.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2014, 07:28:37 PM »
Well, it was worth a shot. Sorry if I got your hopes up. :(
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2014, 07:26:46 AM »
Eh..no worries.  Need to eliminate the fast/easy stuff first.
Its really tough to get feedback from the shifter lever thru heavy boots, but while I was out yesterday, for the first time I was able to feel some chatter at the shifter while hunting for 5th.  I didnt have the beans to do the hill thing and possible create MORE work for myself.
Beautiful warm weather makes this suck even more  >:( 
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2014, 08:29:22 AM »
I wish I could say that I haven't done this myself, but I TRY to not lie about such things...  :-\

There's 3 things I can think of offhand that will cause the 5th-gear situation:
1. The floppy "C" shift fork isn't engaging the mainshaft right when the cases are closed. This one is sometimes accompanied by either a no-4th-gear-either, or it jumps out of 4th. I once even put this fork in upside-down, in the dark garage, and with the engine upside-down, it shifted all 5 gears fine - until I put the engine back in the bike, filled it with oil, and it was run. Had to pull the whole bike apart again to 'fix' it, and I verified my [stupidity] by ruining the oil pan gasket as I pulled it off to look up inside and see that I really did that, grr...
Well...I my photo documentation and your book made the fork orientation an easy install. Certainly no issues here.

2. The "C" fork might be bent or worn, These looked almost new.  No grooves worn on the tines.  

or the sliding gear on the mainshaft might have the groove worn wider than it should be (same problem, not enough fork "travel"). The F2/3 bikes suffer this the most, followed by the K7/8 bikes. That sliding gear (and maybe the fork) might need to be changed to fix this one, but the damage is pretty evident to the eye, in the groove and on the fork 'tines'.  I guess i'd like to know what the width of the fork groove should be. 

3. There is (or not) a spacer on the end of the mainshaft, which works in conjunction with the snapring on the other side of the 5th gear (nearer the clutch end).   part #19?


This spacer on the end (#19???) , by the 5th gear, is either 0 (not there), 0.5mm, 1.0mm, or 1.5mm thick. I think they went all the way to 2.0mm in the old parts lists Honda used to have, way back when. There is (usually) a spacer between the snapring (#21) and the 5th gear on the opposite side, or it might be a collection of 3 parts: a thin thrust washer (#18), a ridged oiling washer ( #? ), and another thicker (or not) thrust washer, in a sandwiched arrangement. Honda never defined how to set this, but I have figured out that it has to do with the non-standard bearing groove on the nearby bearing, the non-standard length of the inner ball race on that same bearing and the one over by the clutch, and manufacturing tolerances on the mainshaft, that stack up to the shoulder on the end of that shaft where it slides into the bearing. All together, there must not be 0.5mm of "slack", or side-to-side motion, of the 5th gear when the mainshaft is assembled and sitting in the case (or at least, that's what I go by now...). If the snapring comes loose from its groove or the thin thrust washers get bunged up, this spacing can change and 5th (or even 4th) gear can become barely engaged.

The 5th gear becomes final-spaced by the bearing on the end of the shaft, when it is set into the case, because of the retaining ring on the bearing. This sets the final "looseness" side-to-side (I hope that all makes sense?).

On snaprings:
The snaprings are supposed to be (but are not always) oriented so the rounded side is toward the moving gear (or thrust washer) next to it. If the flat side is placed against the spinning part instead, the (splashed) oil film will be too thin and the ring can work itself out of the groove. One case: Gammaflat's K6 did this some years ago (on his countershaft). I have seen virgin engines (K4 and later) with the snaprings backward on several occasions: two of these engines suffered "dislodged" snaprings which caused intermittent gear problems, one which the [chopper] rider put up with for 20 years before I found it (it would 'clunk' when the bike was in 3rd and leaned into a left turn). I don't ever remember seeing this assembly error on the pre-K4 bikes, so I surmise the technicians changed along in there, somewhere?  an easy one to verify...

You can try to measure the insertion depth of the mainshaft's sliding gear into the 5th gear, but it's tricky. There is supposed to be 3mm minimum, 6mm max (I've never seen 6mm) of 'penetration', as the old manuals put it...On most of the post-1976 bikes I've measured this, it was barely 3mm. This is where those shim thicknesses on both sides of the 5th gear come into play: if there isn't enough depth, the shim spacer could be increased to move the gear over more, or removed, as the case may be...it is the machining of the width of the upper case's bearing races, plus the non-standard retaining ring groove on those mainshaft bearings, plus the non-standard width of the inner race collar of those grooved bearings, that cause all of this. I suppose this is why Honda's part manuals listed these bearings as "Special High-Speed Bearing", back in their days?  If im underastanding you correctly, with snap rings oriented correctly, and no exceess play with the shifter fork in its groove, if this my spacer ring was omitted or is too small, and my insertion depth into 5th is <3mm, a spacer or a larger one will be needed. 
this was how my mainshaft came to me, and how it went back in.  Neither of these bearings were replaced.  I only kerosene dip washed this 'group' to get the storage dust off and then soaked in oil before install.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2014, 11:34:20 AM »
It looks like your #18 thrust washer is the 1-piece type (in between 4 & 5 on the right)? That's where they are sometimes a 3-piece version. The #19 washer is the one that comes (came) in 0-2mm thickness sizes.

Was your new tranny a drop-in from another engine?
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2014, 11:47:44 AM »
It looks like your #18 thrust washer is the 1-piece type (in between 4 & 5 on the right)? That's where they are sometimes a 3-piece version. The #19 washer is the one that comes (came) in 0-2mm thickness sizes.

Was your new tranny a drop-in from another engine?
No this was the trans these cases came with, so it seems funny that HONDA didnt properly space everything here :-\
(The PO had torn everything down and split the cases, and then shelved the project when i acquired it)
Are you suggesting I source a 3-piece (#18) thrust washer? 
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2014, 01:01:04 PM »
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No this was the trans these cases came with, so it seems funny that HONDA didnt properly space everything here :-\

As mentioned before, Honda sometimes assembled the snap-rings backwards at the factory, so it's possible.
I think you're going to have to split the cases to figure out whats wrong.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2014, 01:12:55 PM »
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No this was the trans these cases came with, so it seems funny that HONDA didnt properly space everything here :-\

As mentioned before, Honda sometimes assembled the snap-rings backwards at the factory, so it's possible.
I think you're going to have to split the cases to figure out whats wrong.
yeah...finally accepted this  ::) 
million dollar question.....can I do all of this with the bottom case off?
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2014, 01:54:21 PM »
Yeah, just flip the motor upside-down and pull the bottom case. You don't have to mess with the top end.
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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2014, 01:54:48 PM »
Yup!

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2014, 03:45:17 PM »
I didnt have the beans to do the hill thing and possible create MORE work for myself.>:( 

 ;D It was a thread bump plus a suggestion for some non-invasive diagnosis given your unfortunate situation. I don't think you would have trashed anything if you did it sensibly. Nevermind, there are a few of the pro's onboard with good advice so all is well. You just need to split the lower cases as stated; I've been there with a second gear fork replacement.

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2014, 10:21:50 PM »
It looks like your #18 thrust washer is the 1-piece type (in between 4 & 5 on the right)? That's where they are sometimes a 3-piece version. The #19 washer is the one that comes (came) in 0-2mm thickness sizes.

Was your new tranny a drop-in from another engine?
No this was the trans these cases came with, so it seems funny that HONDA didnt properly space everything here :-\
(The PO had torn everything down and split the cases, and then shelved the project when i acquired it)
Are you suggesting I source a 3-piece (#18) thrust washer? 

No, nothing like that: if you have the original spacers in it, then I would first try to see if the snapring worked itself out. (Those triple washers, mostly in the F7/8/K7/8, are the same thickness as the one thick washer more often found.) There's a distant chance (which I was hoping for when I ruined that oil pan gasket mentioned above) that if this is the culprit, you can see it by removing the oil pan with the engine upside down, with a strong, small flashlight in a dark garage (...no, wait, that's MY eyes I'm talking about...) and then reach in with a long, thin screwdriver to make a satisfying 'click' sound by pushing it back in the groove. Theoretically, this could happen with the engine in the bike if the 2 wheels were somehow 24" or more up in the air with the exhaust pipes off, the middle of the bike magically open, and you on your back where the oil can easily drip into your nose, but more likely it will be with the engine upside down on the floor.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2014, 09:09:31 AM »
^ Good stuff Hondaman! 
Yes, the gears/bearings on the mainshaft are as they were originally installed. 
I'll look for this dislodged snapring, on the inboard side of 5th, first.  Fingers crossed ;D
If this IS the culprit, will I then be able to check for the 3-6mm overlap between main shaft 2/3 and 5th?
I guess maybe I should check for overlap, or lack of, first  ;D

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2014, 10:37:13 PM »
^ Good stuff Hondaman! 
Yes, the gears/bearings on the mainshaft are as they were originally installed. 
I'll look for this dislodged snapring, on the inboard side of 5th, first.  Fingers crossed ;D
If this IS the culprit, will I then be able to check for the 3-6mm overlap between main shaft 2/3 and 5th?
I guess maybe I should check for overlap, or lack of, first  ;D

I got the majority of the bike dismantled last night. I'll birth the engine and have her opened by the weekend. 
Pics of my findings to follow....

Yep, a keen eye can watch the shift thru the open oil pan and 'guess' at the penetration depth. You might even be albel to tell if the 5th gear is a little too sloppy side-to-side in its location. They should only had about .02" max lateral movement (aka 0.5mm). Most are about 0.05 to 0.1 mm (a few thousandths), just enough for oil to wick in between the rotating faces.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2014, 07:35:11 AM »
^ Good stuff Hondaman! 
Yes, the gears/bearings on the mainshaft are as they were originally installed. 
I'll look for this dislodged snapring, on the inboard side of 5th, first.  Fingers crossed ;D
If this IS the culprit, will I then be able to check for the 3-6mm overlap between main shaft 2/3 and 5th?
I guess maybe I should check for overlap, or lack of, first  ;D

I got the majority of the bike dismantled last night. I'll birth the engine and have her opened by the weekend. 
Pics of my findings to follow....
Yep, a keen eye can watch the shift thru the open oil pan and 'guess' at the penetration depth. You might even be albel to tell if the 5th gear is a little too sloppy side-to-side in its location. They should only had about .02" max lateral movement (aka 0.5mm). Most are about 0.05 to 0.1 mm (a few thousandths), just enough for oil to wick in between the rotating faces.
oh, even better that I MAY not have to separate the cases  :D
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2014, 11:55:29 AM »
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2014, 12:17:49 PM »
Have you read this thread yet?
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86429.0
awesome thread.....luckily i've not had the 'crack' sound, and i've been riding quite aggressively for the past 100+/- miles conditioning my rings  ::)
...thats my excuse anyway  ;D

engine comes out tonight, wife and kids permitting  :P
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2014, 12:30:53 PM »
That's why I suggested leaning the bike either direction. Since it didn't make any difference, I don't think you have the snap-ring issue.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2014, 03:17:35 PM »
Awesome, didn't know this, I have my cases split right now and have replaced all the trans bearings, will go back and check snap rings now, thanks.

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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2014, 10:43:08 PM »
Have you read this thread yet?
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86429.0

Yeah, poor Gammaflat: that K6 was assembled wrong at Honda! I've seen them mis-assembled, but not often popped out like his was, due to it.
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Re: Where's my 5th gear?
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2014, 01:05:02 PM »
Had to put this off for a bit as I had to put my 15 year old lab down saturday morning...but I found some time today.  Engine is out, and upside down.  Unable to see much through the pan after I removed the oil pump.  So, all of my case bolts are out, and I need to pry the halves apart. 
I used threebond, and they are good and tight.
What are the safe pry points?
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"