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Offline Ernie

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rewound stators
« on: September 22, 2006, 01:03:26 pm »
does anyone know where you can get a rewound stator for 550's and or 750's.i found them for offroad machines but not street bikes,i think this might help eliminate some electrical woes we are having when we modernize to electronic ignitions and halogen or HID headlights, seems they can take a stock stator with an output of 90 watts and rewind for an output of 250 watts ......hmm ;)
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 01:38:21 pm »
no,but thats a damn good idea
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 02:01:15 pm »
I'd love to up the power alittle bit on my 550. Add an extra light bar for riding in the country. Keep us informed if you find a place. My brother works with electrical generators (never thought to ask him...lol)....I might ask him what he thinks. I'll pass on what I find out. DrMark
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 03:48:54 pm »
I'd love to up the power alittle bit on my 550. Add an extra light bar for riding in the country. Keep us informed if you find a place. My brother works with electrical generators (never thought to ask him...lol)....I might ask him what he thinks. I'll pass on what I find out. DrMark
please do and i'll do the same ;)
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Re: rewound stators
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2006, 04:52:55 pm »
I doubt that I have the definitive answer, given the electrical experts in our group; however an ask.com search turned up several references to riders who were rewinding their own coils.  A big part of the rewind is choosing the right wire guage: thinner wire gives you more windings, but it would provided higher resistance. 

This post from the Motorbikebanter.com Forum seems to indicate that the results might not justify the effort:

"One can always use fewer turns of heavier wire to get more current, but
that will require more rpm's to achieve usable voltage at idle. It's a
fundamental tradeoff of stator design. When comparing stators it's
important to look at volts, amps _and_ the rpm required to make them.
It's easy to turn a 30 amp stator into a 60 amp stator _if_ you're
willing to spin the rotor twice as fast."

That said, I'd put effort into increasing alternator output if I knew I'd get some solid improvement.
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Re: rewound stators
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2006, 08:49:34 am »
thats very interesting but id like to hear some more opinions too :) i know some of you guys know a whole lot about this kinda thing ;)
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 04:36:06 pm »
I know this is an old thread, but just ran in to an old friend from high school, he rewinds motors, generators, and can do stators.  Said they do them all the time for Wings to run all those extra lights.   Works out to about $150CDN.  I can get the contact info first of the week if anyone wants.

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 05:44:16 pm »
I was told by Randy of Randy's Cycles in Sarasota Fla, that there is a shop that rewinds Stators. I would give Randy a shout. His website is a bit lame but it has a phone number. He really knows these SOHCs inside and out and he has a lot of parts.  www.randyscyclesales.com
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Re: rewound stators
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 06:01:37 pm »
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He sold me a rebuilt rotor ($90) and a tool ($15) to remove the old one.

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2007, 06:21:32 pm »
Guys I work with vehicle electrical systems.  I can tell you that the 750 has a massivly powerfull alternator.  It was well over engineered at the time in 1969  It's 210 Watts output is 17.5 amps continious!!! The control system is excellent and the 3 phase to D/C rectifier is very robust.  These things just do not die.  It is capable of putting sufficient charge back in the battery to opperate the very heavy current demanded by the starter motor in 3 minutes flat!!
Lets have a look at whats needed......Daytime running will draw 4 amps for the sparks, average out 1 amp for odd use of indicators/stop lamp so you have 12.5 Amps spare.  Night time use you have 60 W head light, 5 W tail say 6 W it the spedo/tacho so thats 71W which is 71/12 = 5.9 or say 6 Amps that still leaves 6.5 Amp spare.  I run a powerfull 120W/ 100W Xeon Bulb in the headlight ( switched by relays ) and the electrics have no problem.  If you are suffering low voltage/flat battey on the 750 then there is somthing wrong, possibly the voltage reulator needs adjusting.  I do not know what system the 550 uses so I'll check and get back to you but for the 750 its bomb proof. If anyone needs advice on how to set the 750 charge system up send me a post meantime I'll check on the 550. I cant imagin exceeding the alternators output? Let me know what your running to do that.

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Re: rewound stators
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2007, 06:18:30 am »
Believe me, 60W head lamp doesn't cut it running at night on back country roads.  I plan on putting a brighter head lamp as well as a set of driving lights, then there is the backup light ;), I hate tailgaters at night.

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2007, 08:12:50 am »
James

You know when your hammering down the motorway in the dead of night with your 35 year old sealed beam 50 w lamp and you see something in the road that looks like a body but you say Nah its a bag of rags...........Gulp! I went past and it was a body!!!
The guy had jumped/fallen from a bridge and got hit by a truck, but the truck did not stop, a 40 tonner would not even feel it. I rode back up the hard shoulder 1/2 mile and pointed the bike into the trafic to wave them over to the outside lane, the truckers were great and pushed everyone over.  This was 1 am so trafic was few but very fast, I called the cops and they were there in 3 minutes and blocked off the motorway with a rolling road block.

After that I fitted a proper headlight.  A Cibie with a 120/100 Xeon bulb running thick cables from the battery to relays in the head lamp shell.  The diferance was amazing, its as bright as my Cirtroen with 4 headlights.  If anyone wants the details let me know.  Are you running a 550? Do you know what the alternator output is?

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2007, 09:58:47 am »
Yes I do know the feeling, it's the same as coming out of a white out on a bridge to see a car stopped in the middle.  I was running about 90Km/h and 130,000 lbs, about an 8 on the shakes scale.

The shop manual say the output is 150W.  I wouldn't mind it being rewound to produce higher wattage at a lower RPM, I usually run at 2500 or so.

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2007, 10:22:43 am »
Replace your old regulator with an electronic unit and I'll bet your low-RPM output goes up.

Check the link in my sig. It'll work on any three-phase alternator system.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2007, 10:44:38 am »
James
Understood, I checked on the web and your alternator puts out 13 A at 5000 rpm, which is 156 W so if you are running at 2,500 most of the time there will be a drop in output. As the previous post says there is a lot to be gained from the low rpms using a moderm semiconductor bridge rectifier. Worth a try. It seems like the 750 should be no problem but Honda seemed to have over engineered quite a lot on the 750 it gives weight penalities and really the 550 is a refined technology compared to the 750 so you would expect them to narrow the envelope in light of the ecxperiance of the 750. Yep I would go for the modern rectifier then if you still have problems its rewind time. Try the Xeon bulbs they are really good.

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2007, 10:52:17 am »
My wife is gona kill me if I keep telling her I need more parts :-[
Oh well, it's only money. ;D

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 12:12:26 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2007, 12:48:03 pm »
Here is a link that might help but there is another shop near Birmingham that also does stators and charging systems on old in line fours
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