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Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« on: September 22, 2006, 05:29:20 PM »
Right now I am working through some new products. I am going to start small and work to bigger.

Waiting for mold making supplies to come in right now as I think through these things.

1. Complete CR Racing Body Kit. This would be the full fairing, gas tank, seat with upholstery pan. These I would make for the 500, 550, and the 750. I think the 550/500 kit could be retro-fitted for the 400's. Looking at cost and setting up things. Anyone know what these go for? The full fairing piece is the most expensive to make. Might even include some totally redesigned side covers.

2. A series of cafe racer seats that will bolt on using the old hinge plates. You would have to remove the seat lock assembly, but no other mods would be needed. I figure if they are reverseable they will sell better. These seats a longer than the one we used on Home Wrecker as you would not be bobbing the end of the frame. I guess we could make one for each situation. These would come in just the black vinyl material. I figure having the seat pan all covered and the only thing left to do is paint it and mount it, this will make it much more desireable. Makes the project very straight forward and easy.

3. O.E. Replacement side covers for CB 750 K (plain K after sandcast, maybe do some F side covers), CB 500 K, CB 550 K

4. Fiberglass replacement petrol tanks that look just like the O.E. tanks. These would accept all of the O.E. Hardware. I just need to work out a good way to do the fuel bung so it will accept the O.E. petrol cap. The petcock is easy.

5. CB 500, CB 550, and CB 750 Lower chin piece fairing. Working on the making the bugger fit around the exhausts of multiple types. This will basically require the use of 4-into-1 exhaust.

6. Dual Disc fornt brake kit. This will give you all the goods needed to convert your single disc to a dual disc. This would also be availble with both discs vented.

Now the only reason I picked some model and not others is because they happen to be models I have in house. If I had sand cast covers I would most certainly do them. Might be time to buy some to make a mold of. The side covers are more complex molds so they will be further in the future like about spring time.

Soon as I get the new lathe in house (in the next few weeks) I am going to start making some rear sets. When I have a set that I actually like I will offer them for sale on eBay. None of these will be chrome. This is mainly because I still do not have a working relationship with a chromer in my area. However I can get them powdercoated locally. Mostlikely they will be aluminum pegs and black everything else.

Also working on the logistics of making a "E-coupon" for sohc4 members with a valid sohc4 username. This would give discounts to sohc4 members. Just working through the verification part of the whole thing. This would work with our auctions and our website sales.

Last buy not least I am working on a deal to start carrying pocket bikes. I am looking at a few different types. Might try to do one that looks like a SOHC.  ;D Neat novelty. Plus with them around the shop, fun to screw around with and it kills off the builders block with little shop staff races  ;D

Any takers one this stuff? I hate to waste time and effort to be sitting on stuff. Maybe this is the reason why a lot of guys just don't do this stuff.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2006, 07:27:10 PM by ElCheapo »

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 08:12:20 PM »
With 14+ views and no "I have Money" Responses. This should be a dead project. Starting to believe that earlier thread about the only reason why we ride these is because we are cheap.  ???

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 08:34:22 PM »
what did you think after writing us a page... i'll let you know what i think when i get done reading  :P
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 08:50:03 PM »
rearsets would be cool... WE are cheap however... $80-$100 would be a great starting point.   I'd like alloy sidecovers too but I probably can't afford those either!

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2006, 09:02:29 PM »
what did you think after writing us a page... i'll let you know what i think when i get done reading  :P

 ;D ;D

Just impatient here  ::)

rearsets would be cool... WE are cheap however... $80-$100 would be a great starting point. I'd like alloy sidecovers too but I probably can't afford those either!

The rear sets would go pretty cheap if I can just get the production speed right. They would be about the price you mentioned for forum members. And the side covers.... they would be fair market value. Not some super inflated price that no one can pay but a few people. However if people want to pay crazy prices for these I will gladly take their money  ;D Really I think for a brand new set of molded side covers are worth about $100 at most.

Alloy side covers would be a bit off the hook as far as price goes as they have to be hand made.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2006, 09:10:05 PM »
Now whats the fun if we don't make it ourselves?

We buy stuff how are we different then the Hardly D crowd you enjoy so much?  ;D

Whats next we have to buy chaps?

Oh wait...disregard we are just cheap  ;D
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006, 11:27:59 PM »
I like the idea of aftermarket seats that will bolt straight on. :)

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2006, 01:01:59 AM »

6. Dual Disc front brake kit. This will give you all the goods needed to convert your single disc to a dual disc. This would also be availble with both discs vented.



If it fits a CB 750K6 . I'd like to finmd out how much they cost,  (i havent done any pricing on regulars so i'd apreciate the quote)


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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2006, 01:29:25 AM »
Seats of various types might be a good item to make - especially if they use the original fittings. They are something that gets a lot of abuse, vinyl rips and the bases rust out. It seems everyone needs a new seat when they pick up their bike, even bikes that are in good condition in other respects seem to have poor seats. I had to cobble together one seat out of two and would be happy to pay for a reasonably priced fibreglass base to replace it with so I can get a good looking seat.
I like the look of some of the earlier American style seats - sort of 'flat' with piping that runs round the top.
They would be a fairly straightforward item to cast up - one piece mould I should think (maybe two depending on mould flexibility).
Don't know about the racing fairings - they sound like a lot of work and not sure how many takers there would be for something so 'rarified'  -  but what do I know :). I'm sure you could sell the various side panels.
A good move might be to start taking moulds from any of these items (fairings, side panels, seat bases, etc.) that you come across. Then you will have a stock of moulds to hand and you could produce 'to order' without having to stockpile.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2006, 09:58:07 AM »
As far as the quote for the dual disc, it would be a matter of fair market value vs group price. There would be a smal savings, the main savings would come in the form of your time. All the parts you need without the waiting and hunting.

I find that alot of people are unwilling to wait for a per mold piece work. They would rather wait a year to find one than wait 2 weeks for me to finish one. I know dumb, but this is the fact.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2006, 10:02:19 AM »
Now whats the fun if we don't make it ourselves?

We buy stuff how are we different then the Hardly D crowd you enjoy so much?  ;D

i'd say the fun is that one of our own bros made us the part.  support the club is what i say.

cheapo~
i like the racing body kit.  i'd probably buy one for the 400 as long as it didn't look oversized since it would be a retrofit.  although, i may go more along the route of doing more of that kind of stuff myself... but, do it, make it look good and, they'll sell.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2006, 10:08:50 AM »
sets, seats, and duals seem to be popular.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2006, 10:38:28 AM »
All are good ideas - and i am sure will all sell.
I would be all about a set of cheap - easy to install rearsets for my scoot tom.
Start sending me stuff and i can be your "customer" shop bike  ;D
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2006, 11:49:33 AM »
An early sandcast type airbox would be nice. Dannie
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006, 12:21:45 PM »
The challenge is to get set up so this stuff can be made quickly so the price will be something somebody wants to pay.  Even then, the volume will never be there.  Pretty much why nobody else is doing it.  I wish you luck.
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2006, 12:28:25 PM »
I, for one, am not cheap and if the parts are quality (read: equal to or better than OEM), then I will buy them.  To be honest, the "cheap" attitude so often displayed is discouraging to me.  If my bike needs a new part, I will gladly pay for a factory replacement instead of trying to save 5 cents.  I've learned that I spend more in the end whenever I try and save a nickel.  Unfortunately it seems a lot of folks just don't want to spend what has to be spent.

Based on your list, I would be interested in new 550 sidecovers since my brother just got a 550 and it is missing the right side cover and finding a replacement has been a #$%*.

I too would be interested in a dual-dis front brake, but only if it would look "right", that is, both brake calipers in front of the fork, and work with a speedo drive.  I think a person collecting the parts (second disc, caliper, etc), would be easy, but the hard part would be finishing the fork leg to accept the hardware.  Also, the swinging arm would need to be reversed so the adjuster screw would sit in it right.  But I imagine a reversed pivoting arm would be easy on a CNC machine.

I will be following this.

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2006, 12:33:51 PM »
Groovie I so agree with you on the cheap parts. We want HIGH QUALITY but would really like to have some gas money left over. But there is no excuse for putting crappy parts on ones bike. There is just no way I would produce low quality parts just to turn a buck.

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2006, 02:27:08 PM »
What about making parts that aren't currently available on the market?  Underpans for CR750 racers?  Completely new side covers (as you mentioned) with cooling vents or scoop for the oil tank?  Front air dam that directls airflow to oil filter assembly?  Machined footpegs that fit stock brackets?




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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2006, 07:50:18 PM »
What about making parts that aren't currently available on the market? Underpans for CR750 racers? Completely new side covers (as you mentioned) with cooling vents or scoop for the oil tank? Front air dam that directls airflow to oil filter assembly? Machined footpegs that fit stock brackets?
All good ideas....
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2006, 08:51:00 PM »
I'd be stoked on a dd brake setup for a 550 but yeah I'm pretty cheap...
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2006, 09:07:53 PM »
I'm going to be buying sidecovers for my '77 CB750 this winter if I can find some.  I'm interested in dual front brakes, too, but I think dual discs would be a next summer project at the earliest.

And I absolutely agree with you and GroovieGhoulie.  I seem to pay for it every time I succumb to temptation on a cheaper part or tool.  On the other hand, I will tinker forever with something I've cobbed up by myself. ;)
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2006, 10:17:19 PM »

Gimme some reliable speed parts for this bike, I'll pay for them. Simple as that

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2006, 10:29:51 PM »
I would love rear sets that dont cost $300. I would love a CR style tank and seat. You make good parts that are not just crap thats cashing in on the vintage bike fad, I will buy them.  I like making my own stuff, but if someone is asking honest prices for good parts, and they can do it better than i can... 
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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2006, 03:00:42 PM »
ElCheapo, I know I am new to the site but looking at the member list lots of folks are relatively new and most of the bike we buy need side covers, or the gas tank is dented and not all of us are not good with bondo-or want to be, the seat has tears and or we want to go to a different style of seat (hint I am still looking for one!!!).

I think the brakes are a winner since the OE singles perform so poorly. 

Your products would make a less than pristine bike still look like an attractive buy if the new owner new they could order parts to bolt on and to quickly [maybe a few weeks] help the restoration of their new bike and the safety.  (And it could look a lot cooler) 

AS to having to make everything for my bike: I do not have the skills, tool and space to do that much fabrication but I would still be proud of the new parts especially since they are “custom made” by one of our clubs members!

I do not know much about the faring market but I see lots of folks around here with them and they had to get them somewhere.

So yea I would get a couple of the things you are talking about! And if ya need a test bike well just let me know  ;D   Oh and I’ll take a few of those “E-Coupons” also.

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Re: Thinking on some new products and new ideas
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2006, 10:05:13 AM »
knock off raask rear sets!
or any that fit the 750.

I'll buy some.  Let us know how much $$$.
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