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What is the best method you have found to synch carbs on a 750?

Morgan Carb Synch tool
17 (48.6%)
Home-made manometer with mason jars & long tubes
1 (2.9%)
Commercially available mercury manometer
9 (25.7%)
Carb synch tool that does two at a time with a ball in a tube
1 (2.9%)
Cobbled together homemade device with 4 vac gauges.
4 (11.4%)
Some other device (post description please)
3 (8.6%)

Total Members Voted: 25

Voting closed: June 23, 2006, 09:08:12 PM

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Offline GroovieGhoulie

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #225 on: August 16, 2006, 10:39:47 AM »
As Bob said, as you tune each carb, it affects the others, so by the time you get to number 4, you've "untuned" number one.

You'll probably wind up buying the correct tool later anyway, so why not get it from the get-go?

I've always wound up spending more money in my efforts to save a nickel.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #226 on: August 16, 2006, 10:46:25 AM »
Yeah, yeah.  I know, just suck it up and buy one.  I learn my lessons slowly.  At least I asked first this time.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #227 on: August 16, 2006, 11:15:05 AM »
When I was poorer in the '70s I got a fish aquarium  air distribution valve with 1 port in and 4 valves out on it. Hook the gauge up to the 1 port and each of the other valves to the carbs and open one valve at a time for each corresponding carb. Actually works not bad.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #228 on: August 16, 2006, 11:42:04 AM »
IIRC, there is a plan to build one in the Clymer manual, but the time involved and parts would probably be more trouble than ordering one.
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #229 on: August 16, 2006, 12:51:03 PM »
I haven't done any syncing (including bench sync since I haven't totally dismantled the carbs) on my 78 but I though on the later models number 2 carb was unadjustable...if that's the case and all you're going to do is adjust the other 3 to match 2 couldn't that be done on my k8? Or would my adjustments to 1 muck up 4 for example?

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #230 on: August 16, 2006, 01:35:30 PM »
Or would my adjustments to 1 muck up 4 for example?

yes.
if you ever synch carbs with a propper 4 guage setup, you will instantly understand why trying to do it any other way is insane.
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #231 on: August 16, 2006, 01:50:03 PM »
#2 on the 77/78 is the base carb but while you do not make changes to it, any change to 1 of the carbs will affect the others. just get a set of mercury sticks, or if you got about $15 more, get the vacuum guages.

I got sticks and they are ok but you have to be careful to not spill the mercury or crack the glass tubes. I think the guages would be more durable and do work very well.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #232 on: August 17, 2006, 12:10:29 AM »
Sounds good on paper but it ain't gonna happen!!!
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #233 on: August 17, 2006, 12:13:37 AM »
Sorry...couldn't resist!!!!!........MORGAN CARBTUNE RULES!!!!!!!
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #234 on: August 17, 2006, 03:49:35 AM »
And the Morgan Carbtune does not use mercury any more but stainless steel sticks , so no problems.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #235 on: August 17, 2006, 05:47:04 AM »
gauges work very well and they're totally worth the dough.  check out ebay.
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #236 on: August 17, 2006, 06:55:04 AM »
i, cmorgan, fully endorse the morgan carbtune.

seriosly, though, i've used it.  it's good.
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #237 on: August 17, 2006, 06:55:29 AM »
Hya bro, Yep everyones advice is correct, you need a four cylinder multi sync set up, but no-ones explained WHy to you! Put in a very simplified way here goes.......Because there are minor differences between each cylinder, ( no set of four pistons is ever going to wear the bores EXACTLY the same as each other) valve sealing abilities ( same again, not even two of the eight valves will wear exactly the same as each other) and even differences between the carbs, carb sealing rubbers abilities to seal the same as each other ( one may be brand new with new retaining clips for example,and the rest may be old and tired) etc etc......So what this will mean is this, If you had the bike on tickover, and gradually turned the tickover down, and down, You will not get to a situation where all four cylinders will stop firing at once ( because of the differences allready mentioned) One will die before an other and so on,before the bike stops completely............
So, during carb synching, when you raise ( for the sake of arguament) carb One, and the overall tickover increases, that may just be enough extra vacume to say "kick in" number three carb to life, that wasnt previousely doing much,  That will raise the OVERALL tickover speed and therefore create more overall vacume.  and vise-versa, turning down carb one MAY just ( by lowering the tickover and therefore the available vacume) stop cylinder three from firing properly because carb three aint getting quite enough vacume as it was . EVEN In a "perfect scenario" of a brand new engine,so on an "older girl" this  effect can be even more pronounced ( and usually is)
It is a wise and cost effective move to get a good set of vacume ( I bet you all really wish i could spell vacume right by now eh?) gauges, because its not just carb tuning thats at stake......
A well balanced set of carbs will also quieten your primary chains down, (considerabley) and also quiten down your clutch! So, as things are not "snatching" around as much in your bottem end, you are in fact saving lots of wear from happening,therefore saving money in the long run..........
I am also on a very, very restricted budget, Two months ago, the doctor told me I will never work again, (Full time) so money for me and my family is incredibly tight and looks like it allways will be, I never tell anyone to do something i would not do myself, and I have saved up for a set of vacume gauges, they are well worth it, yes it hurts like hell to hand over all that money in one go, I  understand this well, but go for it, look after the gauges, and they should last you a lifetime.
Also, once you have got them, and familiarised yourself with their use, and are feeling confident that you can balance carbs succesfully and well, then you could do your mates for them, and maybe earn a few dollars/pounds back to offset the costs of the gauges in the first place maybe?
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #238 on: August 17, 2006, 07:04:22 AM »
the morgan may be the best...maybe but the guages are virtually just as good. At least within probably 3% of the carbtune.
Plus look at the cost. $60 for guages Vs. an average of over $200 for morgan carb tune.

No matter how good the carbtune may be, that price is not justified to me since this is not a race bike.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #239 on: August 17, 2006, 07:19:58 AM »
Where are you seeing $200 for a carbtune?  You can get it from carbtune.com for $100 delivered.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #240 on: August 17, 2006, 07:22:06 AM »
Maybe the price dropped in the last year. I checked it out before on a couple of different sites and it was over $200 US dollars as it came from the UK.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #241 on: August 17, 2006, 08:03:35 AM »
Thanks for the responses.  And kaceyf2, that was a great explanation.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #242 on: August 17, 2006, 10:11:00 AM »
the morgan may be the best...maybe but the guages are virtually just as good. At least within probably 3% of the carbtune.
Plus look at the cost. $60 for guages Vs. an average of over $200 for morgan carb tune.

No matter how good the carbtune may be, that price is not justified to me since this is not a race bike.

Bought my carbtune from Morgan for $110 shipped.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #243 on: August 17, 2006, 11:54:34 AM »
Still to pricy when the vacuum guages do a fine job. Like I said, I am not on a race bike and I doubt anyone would be able to tell the diff between a bike syncedd with the morgan or a bike synced with the guages.

As a sidenote, I think twotired uses vacuum guages.

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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #244 on: August 17, 2006, 12:19:15 PM »
Still to pricy when the vacuum guages do a fine job. Like I said, I am not on a race bike and I doubt anyone would be able to tell the diff between a bike syncedd with the morgan or a bike synced with the guages.

As a sidenote, I think twotired uses vacuum guages.


namesake not withstanding, i doubt i'll buy the morgan.  i tried it cause i know a guy with it, so it was free....if you don't count the cost of dealling with this guy (real know-it-all blowhard type....always knows more about your bike than you, though none of his are ever running)

it was a nice tool, but i think i can fab a pretty nice set of guages that will look and work nicely.
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Re: Carb sync
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #246 on: August 17, 2006, 02:57:47 PM »
Purchased the following set of 4 gauges with mounting plate (not shown in picture) for $53. S/H totaled $64. Purchased thru JC Whitney.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2004169/c-10111/Nty-1/p-2004169/Ntx-mode+matchallpartial/N-10111/tf-Browse/s-10101/Ntk-AllTextSearchGroup?Ntt=synchronizer
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #247 on: August 17, 2006, 03:10:31 PM »
I use one gauge that can easily be switched to any cylinder - similar to how Rick(Hondall) - does it. As Rick has said the setup works not to bad. The advantage of doing it this way is cheapness and you are using the same gauge for each cylinder. If you have a multiple gauge setup you need to check that each gauge is reading correctly. If money is not a consideration the multi gauge setup would be my preference but you can get a good result with the single gauge setup. It is a bit more of a hassle because you need to recheck the reference cylinder when yo make adjustments. Hope this helps,Pat
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Re: Carb sync
« Reply #249 on: August 17, 2006, 08:29:55 PM »
A carbtune, a timing light, and some of the special tools Honda made would
be great stuff for a local club to acquire. How often do you really need these
things?  Sorta like owning a chainsaw.  Then on the other hand, I have all of
these...and two chainsaws...so what do I know.  ;D

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