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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 06:10:29 AM »

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 08:17:51 AM »
Worthy to buy this gasket set?

http://4into1.com/ne-brand-complete-gasket-set-honda-cb500-cb550/

those should work just fine, keep in mind the set doesn't come with 6 rubber puck seals that you also need
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2014, 04:51:00 PM »
Worthy to buy this gasket set?

http://4into1.com/ne-brand-complete-gasket-set-honda-cb500-cb550/

those should work just fine, keep in mind the set doesn't come with 6 rubber puck seals that you also need

Partzilla has em...

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2014, 06:39:03 AM »
Got about filling the gas tank with vinegar to get any debris/rust that is left in the gas tank.

I started the bike up to run it dry so the gas is out of the fuel system so I am able to do a compression test.
Was going to get a cheap one from walmart but they didnt carry any, got really lazy so I didnt go to another store to pick one up, will do that today.

Noticed there was smoke coming out of the 1st exhaust header where it meets the engine and realized that the nut was loose, tightened it and stripped the nut.
Going to go to ace hardware today and get new 6x40 studs and nuts.

Before I go about doing the compression test today, is there anything I should know? Can I use the electric starter? Or do I have to use the kick start?

All I have to do is remove any fuel left in the system, remove the spark plugs, attach the compression tester, and start going at it on the kick starter?
Do I have to do anything with the coils, ie disconnect them?

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2014, 07:00:20 AM »
You don't have to do anything to the coils as the spark plugs are out. You can just unplug the the wires from the coils to the plugs and you're good.

Be VERY careful with the exhaust stud. ACE may have "studs" but these are slightly different in the way they seat. It can still work, but you need to be careful (like, very careful) removing the old stud and then re-inserting the new stud. Use some thread lock/lubricant (Red LocTite on the new stud). And also check that the copper gasket and exhaust flanges are oriented properly.

Also, use antisieze on the new nut.

The compression tester of these bikes is different than a car unit. You need a smaller adapter often and the plug pocket is a challenge. Just be aware of that nuance.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2014, 07:17:49 AM »
And also check that the copper gasket

Copper gasket? When I took the exhaust/header off to repaint it, all I had was the flanges, those semi circle seaters, locking washer and nuts.

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2014, 07:23:32 AM »
theres a copper o-ring sitting inside the exhaust port. It crushes under pressure and seals the exhaust fumes. Perhaps not replacing it is why you had a leak, and thus stripped the stud.

http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb550k1-four-1975-usa_model466/partslist/F++06.html#results

Part #3. You need 4 of them.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2014, 08:17:24 AM »
The compression tester of these bikes is different than a car unit. You need a smaller adapter often and the plug pocket is a challenge. Just be aware of that nuance.

Do you know where I can find a decent one at local stores? I was going to check harbor freight

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2014, 11:29:54 AM »
You can double check with HF, but I'd head to a motorcycle shop to insure you got one compatible with your engine.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2014, 08:23:11 PM »

Don't waste your money on a cheap, automotive type compression tester. Here...


+1 yeah you don't need one. I've never needed one
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2014, 08:06:59 AM »
It's been a while but I did go about getting two things done, I did remove almost all of the rust that was in the gas tank. I also did a compression test and they all landed at 145-150 so thats good.

Next step would be to clean the carbs and replace the valve/cam cover gasket since there is an oil leak coming out of it.

Is there any recommendations before I start going at it?

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So far everything that the PO has said to be true, should I take his word that the carbs were rebuilt? I know I should just start everything fresh but I would like to just cut to the chase as to why the plugs are fouling out
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2014, 08:36:28 AM »
I'd drop the bowls and check them for state of clean. If they look suspect at all, then a full clean would be my approach. You could drop the float valves etc to confirm proper operation.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2014, 04:50:46 PM »
I'd drop the bowls and check them for state of clean. If they look suspect at all, then a full clean would be my approach. You could drop the float valves etc to confirm proper operation.

They seem fine to me, the float bowl gaskets are a bit worn out though.

« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 05:21:23 PM by anuhn »

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2014, 09:17:23 AM »
Be very careful when you have the carbs out. There are SEVERAL small parts that are absolutely crucial and have extremely tight tolerances. My advice to you is to have a VERY clean, well lit and organized workspace. I bought a few of the Plano 3700 series plastic storage boxes and labeled each one with the parts going into it. This makes it much easier to keep track of everything and you can simply close the lid and lock it if you need to walk away without the fear of losing anything. You can label each box 1, 2, 3 and 4 this way you know what parts went into what carb. (I am kind of obsessive compulsive about things like that)
Also, take your time on each part. Do replace the rubber components. I had planned to replace all of the internal components with new parts purchased online, but Two-Tired explained to me that there was nothing wrong with the factory parts...they just needed some attention...and right he was! Be meticulous about the details. Get the right tools to clean the carbs with. (solvents, brushes, picks, emory cloth etc.) TAKE YOUR TIME! I cannot stress this enough. The brass is soft and the tiny holes in the emulsion tubes need careful hands...but you CAN do it! I had ZERO experience with this, but still managed to do an entire rebuild in my garage on all four carbs. It was a great experience and highly rewarding when all was said and done. Trust me on this, cleaning and rebuilding the carbs was probable the single most productive thing mechanically that I did to my bike after I took it apart. Made a HUGE difference especially after I performed a proper sync.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2014, 04:07:21 PM »
So I did everything except change out the valve cover gasket due to the oil leak, but the bike was running fine up, slightly rich, but not fouling out.

Found out that the rectifier was also bad, changed that out.

I decided to change out the throttle cable and added the push cable and when I put everything back together, the bike wouldnt start, no clicks or anything. Couldn't kick start it either?
I'm assuming one of the wires got pinched or broken off, I didn't want to go through the process of searching through the mess of wires so I bought a new assembly, part is coming in sometime this week and hopefully it is the last piece I buy and finally get to go out riding.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2014, 05:57:58 PM »
Did you possibly blow the main fuse? Sounds like a complete electrical loss.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2014, 06:50:50 AM »
Did you possibly blow the main fuse? Sounds like a complete electrical loss.

There is only one fuse in the whole system on this bike. Lights would of been off if the fuse blown

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2014, 07:02:21 AM »
That's true, but you never indicated what did or didn't work. So a better description will yield better and more relevant ideas.
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2014, 09:03:16 AM »
That's true, but you never indicated what did or didn't work. So a better description will yield better and more relevant ideas.

Ahhh sorry! I'll try to be more descriptive when issues come around haha

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2014, 01:54:38 PM »
So it wasn't the assembly....can anyone guess what it is? There is no sound coming from the electric starter or solenoid or anything, doesn't turn on through kick either. Both of my batteries are in working order. Fuse is not blown, all the lights turn on.

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2014, 02:09:35 PM »
Kill switch would be my next guess...
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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2014, 07:01:03 AM »
Kill switch would be my next guess...

Through the wires?

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Re: Newb in need of help with 1974 Honda CB550
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2014, 08:05:52 AM »
I mean that the KILL switch is not allowing power to reach the coils. You're not providing great details when you say, "Won't kick, No sound.."  Do you have a meter and have you verified where you do and don't have 12v of power through the ignition circuits?
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