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Offline RRRToolSolutions

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CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« on: September 24, 2006, 02:16:34 PM »
Well, I'm gonna have to strip the frame and pull the engine on my new 836. I get told this morning that I should have used sealer on the rubber plugs/disc under the cam towers .... :) :)

Anyway to the question - my 74 CB750 does not shift smoothly. It's notchy, there are false neutrals between gears. If I shift deliberately and move the lever through it's full travel, then it goes up and down the gears fine. If I get the least bit lazy, then it will occassionly miss the next gear. My CB500 has the same problem and it's a 6,000 origninal. This 750 has 9,000. Is this a feature Honda threw in at no extra charge?

While it's out, I thought I might have a look at the shifting quality. Everything in this transmission looked fantastic when tore down. As mentioned, it's a 9,000 mile bike that sat for several years with a crankcase full of oil. I checked the dogs, forks, shiftdrum, ratchet arm, replaced the return spring with NOS, and finally added assembly lube to the shift fork locators during testing while the case was open. All good, solid, positive shifts on the bench. i use only Motul 10/40 syntetic motorcycle specific oil in all bikes (buy it by the case). I've just changed the oil after 200 miles so I could tighten the oil cooler adapter and install the chrome K&N filter, but the shifting is still what I call "notchy".

Input appreciated. Thanks, Gordon
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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 04:43:50 PM »
Sounds like you were quite thorough with inspecting the transmission, but you didn't mention the clutch which can sometimes contribute to shifting woes. My K4 is bone stock and I run regular Castrol GTX 10W-40 and shifts just fine. Sometimes I think it shifts too easily even with my lazy foot and it's adjusted by the book.

Clutch adjusted correctly and not dragging?
Clutch plates / springs aftermarket or modified?
Clutch inspected for correct assembly / mismatched or worn parts?

Because your transmission shifts well on the bench, I would look into the clutch or perhaps even try a different oil for a shifting evaluation.

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=82915464&contentId=6003410

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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 06:27:13 PM »
Barnett fiber disc and performance springs. The springs won't be an issue, but I'm not sure about the fibers.
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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 08:13:50 PM »
My Supersport will occasionally slip into a false neutral if I get exceedingly lazy. I've never ridden a bike, including new ones, whose shifter wasn't a bit nochy. Unless your missing gears regularly or it very hard to shift, I would think it's alright.
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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 12:04:36 PM »
The DOHC guys have a fix for this which involves opening the shift spindle window a little bit.   Has anyone ever given this a try on a SOHC?

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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 01:58:21 PM »
if you try hard enough you can get false neutrals on almost any bike
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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2006, 07:23:10 PM »
if you try hard enough you can get false neutrals on almost any bike

Yep.  It's inherent in the design of motorcycle gearboxes.
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Re: CB750 Shifting Quality - K4 How Do You Rate It?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2006, 09:49:58 PM »
You can adjust the shifting tension, I did......

http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/tranny/slipgear.htm