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Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« on: August 03, 2014, 03:07:04 PM »
Currently I commute via my Triumph Tiger 1050.  It's a water cooled bike.  I would like to try riding in on the CB550, but frankly I'm not sure how it would handle stop and go traffic.

For all those who commute on an air-cooled, do you have to do anything special?  I mean, near constant idle for 30 to 40 minutes can't be good on the bike and even my water cooled bike approaches redline by the end of the ride.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 04:35:01 PM »
It will play hell on your charging system, and you should consider a heavier weight oil.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 04:47:45 PM »
I split lanes ;D ;D  But, only under 20 mph ;)

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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 06:15:08 PM »
Air flow = cooling. Even a 10MPH it will cool at a rate depending outside air temp.  Yes, prolonged idle is bad.  Change oil often an/or use a synthetic blend to help lube at high temps.

If you know you'll be stopped for more than a minute, stop the motor and estart when you get going.  Otherwise, rig up some computer fans to blow air over the fins.

Lots of idle on the 550 will tax your battery.  You don't say what your commute times are.  But, you may have to routinely put the bike on a charger/maintainer overnight.
A headlight switch can help the battery survive during the day.  Not a lot of added risk crawling along in rush hour with no headlight.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 08:15:08 PM »
Back when I was hitting long traffic stoppages I would shut the bike down till traffic started moving again. I also only used the kick starter in those situations. Less drain on the battery. Is there an HOV lane you an use? I used to go from Everett to Redmond and HOV lanes the entire way.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2014, 06:40:40 AM »
If I was going from Everett to Redmond I think it wouldn't be a problem.  I'm going from Everett to Renton.  As soon as you hit Bellevue - all's lost. :'(

Been looking for bailout routes, might start winding through Kirkland but again, Bellevue is essentially a solid wall of cars.


So that I know for my own piece of mind - what are the signs that the bike is overheating and should be shut off?  I mean, it's not like a water cooled bike that indicates overtemp by geysering coolant.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 06:59:49 AM »
You could install an air temp gauge and an oil temp gauge to be certain. As TT suggested, small battery operates fans are a nice solution when you get really stuck.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 07:27:45 AM »
Okay, thanks I'll take that suggestion more seriously then.

Mind you, I am not positive that I want to take the Honda out on the Interstate as is.  It needs a LOT of work before I'd trust it at anything over 50 mph, but it's nice to have the option should something present itself.

A small lithium battery and a modified cooling fan from a water cooled bike should do the trick.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 08:32:54 AM »
split lane and shut off motor when you stuck in traffic.  if your 550 has headlight on/off switch, turn it off when your motor speed is blow 2500 rpm.  if your 550 does't have headlight on/off switch, may be consider some mods???
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 09:01:14 AM »
hmmm.... oil temp gauge, oil cooler and fan combo?
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 10:33:51 AM »
 I wouldn't do anything like that.  This is a bike from the golden era - no need to junk it up with gauges.  I do think having an auxillary fan would be a good idea though.  Junked radiator fans are a dime a dozen and they're light, small, and very easy to hook up to dry cell batteries.

I'd still like to know what the signs are that it's time to shut the bike off - it's overheating.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 11:20:10 AM »
I think you'll go though a lot of dry cell batteries with a radiator fan.  That's why I suggested a computer fan.  Around here we have a Fry's electronics.  They have 12v computer fans for about $12, in many colors, designed to move air using very low power.  With all the colors, including black and clear, you can even make a popular fashion trend statement.

http://www.frys.com/search?cat=-69582&pType=pDisplay&rows=25&resultpage=2&start=50&rows=25

The human eye can't see heat.  Short of touching the motor, the only option for heat determination is instrumentation.  You can buy an infrared Thermometer at Harbor Freight for about $20, that you can take out of your pocket and check the engine temps while waiting in traffic.

Signs of overheating are poor shifting smoothness/dragging clutch due to the oil changing behavior from heat damage.  The next sign is the engine slowing down due to pistons seizing in the bore.  Both these signs are after some damage has occurred either to oil or engine and should be avoided.

Overheated oil is damaged oil and should be replaced ASAP.  Synthetic oil can withstand higher heat and still provide needed lubrication to save all the metal bits.  But, it has a withstand limit as well.  A blend of oil type is less costly yet still has some synthetic to help the motor survive.

Oil coolers will help the oil survive over temp conditions.  It does very little to keep the engine itself cool.  It's is not an oil cooled engine design.  That's why the huge fins and large surface area on the outside of the motor are exposed to the surrounding air to accept waste heat.  However, saturated heat laden air can only accept heat from a hotter source than what it has currently attained.  300 degree air won't take heat from a 275 or 300 degree surface.  That's why you have to move the hot air away and replace it with the abundant ambient cooler temp air in the vicinity.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 11:45:13 AM »
Fry's is fine, we have one in Renton, just down the hill from me.

Can't say I'm a fan of the place (no pun intended), but they do stock a lot of unique electronics.  If not, we also have Vetco just up the road.

I'll poke around once I get the cylinder head swapped out and let you all know what I came up with.  Of course by then it will be fall and a moot point. <shrug>
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 11:51:43 AM »
If you don't like Frys there is always newegg. It's my favorite computer store and have never had an issue with them.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 02:38:28 PM »
If I was going from Everett to Redmond I think it wouldn't be a problem.  I'm going from Everett to Renton.  As soon as you hit Bellevue - all's lost. :'(

Been looking for bailout routes, might start winding through Kirkland but again, Bellevue is essentially a solid wall of cars.

Yeah, that area just south of 520/405 sucks.  No luck in the HOV?
Growing up right there, the only one road route to renton, besides 405, is Lk WA blvd SE, .....you can jump on it from SE 8th, and wind all the way down. It turns into Coal Creek Pkwy,...Sunset then takes you into renton.   I dont imagine any of this is much better than the 405 though ::)
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 02:59:04 PM »
405 is cursed!  bad traffic too down here in my area too.  not only that, freeway surface is terrible.  dirt bikes/dual sports are good for this.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 10:31:06 PM »
Same problem in Asia. Considering the aux fan concept. Wish it didnt clutter the bike though after all the work to trim the fat off it... Or keeping the 550 as a Sunday bike only when roads are clear. Where would you direct the fan?


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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 10:36:01 PM »
Where would you direct the fan?

For airflow over the cooling fins.
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Re: Air cooled bike and heavy traffic
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2014, 07:22:12 AM »
If I was going from Everett to Redmond I think it wouldn't be a problem.  I'm going from Everett to Renton.  As soon as you hit Bellevue - all's lost. :'(

Been looking for bailout routes, might start winding through Kirkland but again, Bellevue is essentially a solid wall of cars.

Yeah, that area just south of 520/405 sucks.  No luck in the HOV?
Growing up right there, the only one road route to renton, besides 405, is Lk WA blvd SE, .....you can jump on it from SE 8th, and wind all the way down. It turns into Coal Creek Pkwy,...Sunset then takes you into renton.   I dont imagine any of this is much better than the 405 though ::)

It's been a while since you've had to take it I can tell.

Nope, all those routes have been socked in.  I'm resorting to taking the 70th St. exit into Kirkland, ride past Northwest University.  Pretty slow, but at least you're moving.  Still hit a solid wall when you get into Bellevue though.  Ever since they put tolls on 520, no one ever takes it, so that means all the cars are moving through Bellevue to the I-90 bridge.

I've lived in Puget Sound for over 30 years, even when Factoria was nothing, that whole I-405/I-90 Interchange has always been a disaster.
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