Topic: Sexy Italian Sister..oh lordy.

[Stev-o]

Yes, it was ridden by Ago and Peter Fonda.  But it's governed to 195, forget it!

[ThomasD883]

You know the description of the bike was half of the allure . Words that had me working up a sweat, such passion! And a bargain at only 60,000$  .. I need to hear it at full tilt, Gorgeous otherwise.

[simon#42]

if it made the claimed 317hp it would be a bargain at that money .

[ThomasD883]

Agreed on the power figures, The new H2 is supposed to be in that ball park IIRC and thats a full race 1000cc S/C monster. The shop i work for had to repair the chassis dyno a few years back as it was giving wildly incorrect read outs. Good for seating rings on fresh liners but 3000 horsepower from an 11 Liter straight six is hard to swallow from a stock 350 horse  . Not saying its impossible but how long were the rods in the case after that run, enough nitrous might get you there for a tenth of a second. Could be peak HP ?

[simon#42]

i had a factory f4 rr on the dyno for a few days before christmas , nice bike but it made over a hundred hp less than that claimed figure and this was a purpose built race bike .

thomas , 3000 hp would tear my dyno in half !

[ThomasD883]

It was absurdly incorrect, this was proabaly five years ago and the dyno is still under repair.  These days the fine print is all that really matters, " at the crank " and such. Reminds me  how the big three Auto makers in the US were basically making up towing capacities over the past few years, so much so a standard was created by the SAE for them to use. In a world with a short attention span , big numbers catch the limited attention of potential customers.

[toytuff]

Making good progress today. Yesterday I received the logger and chips. Got it installed without any issues.

Today I installed the fuel tank, added fuel and checked the sweep of the instruments before firing. I also hung the ecu off the side of the bike for trim pot adjustments. (Painters tape on the frame to prevent damage)

One of the many changes to the chip was lowering the fan kick in temp. Stock is 194 degrees which by then it's already on the hot side. We changed this to 181 degrees which might be a little low. 185 should be about right but that can easily be changed at a later time.

First I ran a log file as is. Bike fired right up, idled fine. The afr reading for trim pot adjustments is when the fans kick in, thus 181. A reading of 11.2. We need 13.2 +/-. Ran the bike up to 194 degrees, no issues.

Next, I let the bike cool with the aid of a floor fan after which it was time to adjust the trim. With flash light in hand and a very small ceramic screwdriver it was time. Deep breath, get some courage. There is only a 270 degree sweep and I was told by more than one person to go slow. Any damage here is a replacement ecu. Oh Lordy!

Turn clockwise, slowly..a little more..oh, too much, back off a bit, then got an reading of 13.2 plus or minus a few at idle. Ignition off! Big sigh! It's set!

Sent the two log files over to Adam in the UK. He came back after reading the last file saying that of 2016 cells the average was 13.1. Leave it, assemble and ride it. He needs cell readings across the entire range but I doubt I'll get it over 9k.

Tomorrow is button up day. Remove the tank (again), install the ecu on the air box then reinstall the fuel tank. After that will see when I ride it. On the second run I let it get up to 209 degrees. No miss, no stalling and sounded better than it ever has.

I'm hopeful today.

tt

[Stev-o]

Sounds like good progress, tt.  It it that much of a pain to remove/replace the tank?

[toytuff]

Sounds like good progress, tt.  It it that much of a pain to remove/replace the tank?

Very good progress Steve.

The manual states "use an assistant" in tank removal. It is a lot easier disconnecting everything however some short 2 by 4's propping up the tank it can be done. Not a lot of room and the wrists are not what they use to be. 

It's "old hat" now. A reserve tank would be great but not cost effective.

Here is an excel sheet showing the 13.1. Notice all the blank cells? These will be filled in when I ride the bike. Going to do several runs around town and on the open road. This will show fueling in all ranges then adjustments from there.

Pretty sure the chip will need to be changed. Adam will burn one, send it to me and I will send one back. This way I can still ride the bike.

tt

[70CB750]

Way cool, tt!

I had a short encounter with fuel maps when retrofitting injection on my old jeep.

I would love to see the table with data in it.

[toytuff]

It will happen, soon.

I'm learning right along with everyone else. All new to me and I probably will never fully understand.

It's just great that someone who understands is helping me. How do you thank one for this?

When this gets dialed in it should be a completely different motorcycle. I wasted a lot of time before deciding that without a wide band afr setup this would go no where. Looking at the EPROM I could tell someone was in there.

Right out of the gate the trim pot was way off. 11.2 to 13.1 (average) is quite a difference.

tt

[Stev-o]

Test ride today? Weather looks to be perfect in Bullhead. 

[toytuff]

Test ride today? Weather looks to be perfect in Bullhead.

Probably not Steve. Although the weather has been in the low 80's it's windy today. Add to that its time to get some food in the house. Forecast is the same for another week.

Bike is back together, need to clean it up a little and check tire pressure. I picked up a front seat on the cheap from fleabay. Hi Moto leather, CF inserts with a  gel  pad. Way more comfortable and will go great with the CF rear seat cowl on order.

tt

[Retro Rocket]

I admire your persistence TT, hope it all goes as planned mate...

[toytuff]

I admire your persistence TT, hope it all goes as planned mate...

Cheers! Thank you.

As stated earlier in this thread I wanted the bike delivered in a running state which it was not. Too bad as I refuse to purchase any more accessories from the seller. I have even paid more for the same parts. Ethics, morals and standards. I have found other sources with good prices so I will do my shopping elsewhere. Big purchase coming up. 

I had only two choices. Flip the bike or keep it. I took the later. Oh, don't get me wrong. I had my moments. Several. With that being said I decided to move forward. As you can see I just worked on it when I felt like it. Months actually. 150 miles since September. 

Getting closer but not out of the woods yet. Just thankful I have help. In fact more changes to the logger software was done about an hour ago. Still some changes forth coming on the graph software.

I always had the Ducati to ride. What a wonderful bike it is too!  Just in love with it. 

tt

[toytuff]

I should also mention that even if I decided to flip the bike I would not sell it as sold to me. Complete BS. Ethics, morals and standards.

Planning on a ride today, tomorrow and Saturday. Need to get several log files @ in town and open road.

Onward..

tt

[Stev-o]

Looks to be another great day to ride in a Bullhead today.  Suit up, tt!

[toytuff]

Looks to be another great day to ride in a Bullhead today.  Suit up, tt!

That was the plan yesterday until the other half said " I want to wash the drapes in the Family Room today." Good Lord this Spring cleaning gets old. Going on a couple of weeks now. Bathroom vanities, closets, under the beds, you name it, I've been there. 

So...yes, this IS the plan today and tomorrow. Will see if I can get out of here. 

tt

[70CB750]

You guys should see what's coming our way, seems like Canada is missing some cold front or such 

[toytuff]

Well, I'm surprised. Need some more log files and at higher RPM's.

I'll thrash it some more! 

tt

[Stev-o]

Looks a little lean, did you check the plugs? Has plugs, right?? HA!

And how 'bout a "butt dyno" report.  Guessing it's running good if you didn't mention issues and it's ready to go for another run.

[scottly]

You need to at least open the throttle more than 2/3rds! As far as remapping, there appears to be a lean tendency at 11.9% TPS?

[toytuff]

Lean it is. Original plugs, not going to worry about them at this time.

Butt Dyno is wicked fast. Wicked. As you can see I have yet to wind it up over 8k however I was up to 65 in a 45 zone without even trying. I need to be careful on this one. It's a license eater.

So, more riding, more logs. Throttle is very sensitive. Known issue with this model. I felt hesitation in the 5-6K range but slight. This could be riding in to high a gear. The Ducati likes no lower than 4K. I believe this one likes at least 5K. Stalled once when I abruptly closed throttle from second to first gear stop.

Reading a log file I did notice one spot where I had an afr of 19.5. Could of been a throttle off position. I just glanced quickly at the file before dinner. Still learning to interpret what I see.

Bike is 100% better than before but before was pretty bad. I can see a remap on the chip is forth coming. This will take time but I have plenty of that and I'm getting into this a little more each time. At least now it's enjoyable. Wasn't that before.

Onward....

tt

[toytuff]

You need to at least open the throttle more than 2/3rds! As far as remapping, there appears to be a lean tendency at 11.9% TPS?

The 11.9 I see is rich, not lean.

Yes, Adam had mentioned a wider throttle. Was in and out of residential areas today. Add to that fresh tires so I went on the easy side of things.

It's a different animal and I need to adjust. I might be older but I am smarter. 

tt

[scottly]

It also appears to tend towards rich at 6K RPM and above, regardless of throttle opening.