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GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« on: August 26, 2014, 07:14:29 AM »
Hi Guys, there were so many of you wanting and asking if the CB750 frame kits could be brought back that I decided to re-tool and make them. I would not normally use this space to announce their return, but feel this is more of a public service announcement than solicitation. For those of you that have waited patiently for months - I have sets ready to ship now and more coming. Please visit the For Sale Thread for details -

Thanks, Gordon/RTS

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=140644.0





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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 03:07:37 PM »
HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED MOD
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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 03:22:43 PM »
Newbie here, could you elaborate on the benefits of this mod?

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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 03:34:06 PM »
In a nutshell, it enables easy removal of the top part of the frame so you can work on the top end and cylinders without having to remove the motor (on a 750, it's not even possible to remove the cam cover with the motor in situ.) It's construction when in place maintains the rigidity of the frame.
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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 04:05:18 PM »
In a nutshell, it enables easy removal of the top part of the frame so you can work on the top end and cylinders without having to remove the motor (on a 750, it's not even possible to remove the cam cover with the motor in situ.) It's construction when in place maintains the rigidity of the frame.

Additionally, secondarily, it makes it easier to remove and install the engine when it does need to come all the way out.

There are many designs. This one is probably the most robust. Very popular.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2014, 06:08:41 PM »
Here is a photo of the Frame Kit sitting in place pre welding.
I'll take and post a few more photos over this coming weekend now that it's been Tig Welded.

This Frame Kit is time and money well spent.
And no, I'm not getting any kickbacks for saying that.  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 07:58:43 PM »
Mick, please be sure to send me the photos before/during/after and I'll add those to an upcoming new page onmy website. I've got a Build Contest just starting that will give away some very nice tools to some of you guys using my parts on your projects. Check out the Project page for details.

I've got 1 set sitting on the shelf ready to go. See the For Sale section and send me a PM to take it. I've got 20 more sets in the build process that will be ready in a couple of weeks. Start a list and you'll get yours in that order. Thanks, Gordon

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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2014, 08:33:10 PM »
I've purchased two of these (one for each 750 I own).  I was hesitant to install one at first thinking that I'd never have another reason to pull the motor out of my frame.  HAH!

After 2-3 motor pulls, I installed the kit.  I only wish I had done it from the start.  It makes working on the motor easier, as well, and in the frame.
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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2014, 02:54:09 AM »
I have another frame kit. This has helped me a lot!
Very easy to switch cam, re-torque the head.
Enough to remove tank, frame kit, valve cover.... then the cam is there for timing, replacement, or remove cam and cam towers and re-torque head.
Carbs, exhaust, ign. coils still mounted! No need of drain oil either... :) :)
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CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 04:28:47 PM »
I have one and like it, my chrome rocker cover is leaking. Thank goodness I can deal with it easily.  I'm finiky and made new splice plates that are threaded and mount inside the triangle. no nuts needed. Lots of hand fitting. I also counter bored the fittings part way to reduce weight. It's fun to modify things. Still plenty heavy duty.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 05:42:13 PM »
I watched the Japanese team rider/helper struggling with engine removal yesterday for engine size verification after getting their class record at the Bonneville Salt Flats. I told them they need one of Gordon's kits.  ;D
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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 06:30:30 PM »
Thanks Jerry! Tell them I've got 1 left of this first batch that I want to ship!

Guys, the workmanship and quality of these new kits is just fantastic. I've partnered with a close friend with CNC facilities and his work is awesome. He also makes my patented Nesting Sparkplug Wrench Sets and the new Sprocket Socket Axle Wrenches in addition to these new Gordon Frame Kits. When these new ones start delivering tomorrow, I think there will be some happy folks. By the way, that sparkplug set is CNC machined from steel billet, not crappy stamped pipe! I designed the set to work perfectly on the CB750 and that infamous # 2 Plug, the un-reachable ST1300 plugs that you cannot change with any store-bought Craftsman, Snap-On, or universal wrench, and every other motorcycle I have ever worked on. I counted over 1,000 motrocycles and ATV's that set fits...

Thanks to all of you for the many years of support! Don't miss my Build Contest, I'm going to dedicate a section to just CB750's and their owners in the very near future. I'm also going to give away some very nice tools as a way of saying THANKS!

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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 12:22:44 AM »
".....CB750 and that infamous # 2 Plug"
Yes, I know! I had tightened the plugs with valve cover off after cam timing earlier this year. Next time when I had to replace fouled plugs I could not fit the tool around the plug. I tried during 30 minutes. I had to lift the valve cover!  My tool is the pipe version, rather thin that I have made shorter like HONDA OEM tool.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 03:47:13 AM »
Here's a few more "in progress photos"
I thought that I had some cut frame shots but they are eluding me.
Maybe I didn't take any.
Anyway, with a bit of time and patience, this is what can be achieved.

Gordon, I'll email some photos to you mate.













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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 08:34:21 AM »
How long to remove it?
 My kit allows the frame section to be removed in 3 minutes or less ..

 
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2014, 09:38:02 AM »
Only depends on what tools you are using. Power tools are quicker than a socket which is quicker than an allen. Should be comparable.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2014, 11:20:41 AM »
Both kits are good ones.
Weldless from 754 very good for urgent need, avoid pulling the engine for cam, valve, head job.
Perfect for me when I had mounted the fresh painted engine into the repainted frame, in need of change cam timing, lift head. I did not want to scratch the paint on frame and engine plus everything else to do. No problem with the tiger saw wiith carbs still on.

Gordons kit when the frame is naked, before repaint, planned frame job, 754 kit as an urgency kit. I can think of having both :)
Time for finding one more CB750, I'm getting more good parts :)
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 11:34:37 AM »
my patented Nesting Sparkplug Wrench Sets and the new Sprocket Socket Axle Wrenches

First time I've heard of these.  Are they on this website somewhere?
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2014, 01:37:15 PM »
No offense to the other frame kit makers and competitors, but saving a few seconds nor having slip-on joinery had anything to do with my Frame Kit design. Mine was designed and built to be installed during a "build" and would be as strong as the original, retain the stock key position, and be all but invisible with the tank on or off.
When Kawasaki built my 2000 ZRX1100 and my 2003 1500 V-Twin Nomad, they used a double-downtube frame. Unlike many sportier bikes that "hang" the engine from an all-aluminum parimeter frame and use the engine as a stressed member, these two monster bikes (one heavy, one musclular) used Steel Downtubes. When it was time to access my top-end for future builds, I had the answer staring me right in the face - The ZRX and the Nomad both have detachable right-side frame members that use the same 2 half-joints and 12.9 fasteners that my Honda CB750 Frame Repair Kit does. Good enough for Kawasaki on two of their biggest bikes in one of the highest stressed areas - Good enough for me.

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Re: GORDON FRAME KITS - News / Update
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2014, 02:43:25 PM »
Gordon's kit needs no intro nor testimonials, well known and proven. Mine was an especially awful case of PO butchery. When I was new here, I didn't even realize that my frame was missing a massive chunk  :o A few weeks into looking closely at the bike I realized something was missing. There was no way Honda had a frame that looked so abrupt.

It was cut off at two different lengths seat side



and was almost completely take off steering side  :o (below pic is of the larger of the front two, can't find the smaller one)



As my heart sank seeing this fiasco, someone mentioned the Gordon kit to me, and were also kind enough to let Gordon know of my situation. Gordon reached out to me before I even found his username, took my phone number and called me, explained every little annoying question I had as a noob, then put together a special kit for me along with the missing tubing and angle bar to regain the triangulation. All this at a ridiculously low price that I couldn't believe, which tells me he never was trying to make a sale, just trying to help me out and keep me from giving up on my build.



The kit worked perfectly even though the front side of the tubing was wayyy short than what Gordon's kit recommends, something I doubt a slip-on style would have been able to do. Frank's kit might work, but I know for a fact that Carpy's slip-on wasn't going to work when I was asking around about that last year (before hearing about Gordon's). I'm fortunate enough to know a seasoned welder with a keen eye and a steady hand who did a great job installing the kit following the instructions that came with the kit. Needless to say he was impressed with the idea itself and excellent workmanship.




This kit isn't the only thing Gordon has helped me with. He's loaned me numerous tools I've needed over the past year as my build went on, hooked me up with a GREAT set of JIS drivers and impacta, and the beast of an impact driver that will defeat anything. He also special ordered long stem carb tuning flat heads for me that are perfect for the job! All this just because I merely asked him about it!

This forum is great, every one I know here has always done great things to help me out. But I can assure you, every time I've needed anything from Gordon, he has always gone out of his way to help me. Like I said earlier, his kit needs no intro, just thought I'd let people who don't know Gordon, know what a great guy he is and his products are unmatched.

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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2014, 07:37:19 PM »
Umm, i am not seeing where Kawasaki is using a threaded rod and locknut, in their assemblies..
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2014, 09:41:04 PM »
The design of the half joints came straight off my 2 Kawasakis. I wanted to keep the 100% stock frame appearance ahead of and under the tank, so I went with a blind insert that would be welded in-place. The insert is fully threaded so the 7/16" x 20 machinist oil rod that I use can be threaded into it. The special machinist threaded rod in these kits has 180,000 psi tensile strength and the Grade 8 nut is really over-kill, but locks it all down to a solid mass. This front blind insert method I use allows for a clean install that puts everything under the tank, yet still gives the owner clear and unrestricted access to the cylinder head cover, cylinder head, and cylinders.

These kits are robust. They must be welded-in and those users that have taken the time to do the install have been happy with them. My new ones are actually the best I have ever sold. The machining on these is just awesome. I'm also going to add some special order heatshrink tubing to cover the final assemblies that will all but made the install invisible. More on that coming..

Thanks again for your questions and interest. Best Regards, Gordon
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2014, 04:23:08 AM »
Here are some more photos of the development work I did back in 2006. They show the application of the blind insert and explain the components used in the construction. all of these are my personal bike and you're looking at frame kit model #1. Boy, does time fly!

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