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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2100 on: July 14, 2019, 09:28:17 PM »
Done with ignition. 36.5° total advance and it pulls great. Idle setting is about 8° and I think it’s more stable. I’ll have to test some more of course. Always testing.

Almost 68hp and that’s with this new DynoJet software which I’m told is not generous at all. Rick’s up in Mass would probably show between 70-75hp. I’m happy and I think the bike is done for now!!! There’s always the rear disk conversion though.



If you don't want to go the full Monty with a Cognito rear hub, you could always replace the rear wheel with a 1975-76 CB750F hub and disc. 
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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« Reply #2101 on: July 15, 2019, 03:44:50 AM »
Done with ignition. 36.5° total advance and it pulls great. Idle setting is about 8° and I think it’s more stable. I’ll have to test some more of course. Always testing.

Almost 68hp and that’s with this new DynoJet software which I’m told is not generous at all. Rick’s up in Mass would probably show between 70-75hp. I’m happy and I think the bike is done for now!!! There’s always the rear disk conversion though.



If you don't want to go the full Monty with a Cognito rear hub, you could always replace the rear wheel with a 1975-76 CB750F hub and disc.
I’ll check it out, thanks Don. Won’t be until the winter if I do decide on it. I kind of hope I don’t decide on it though, haha.

Oh, and if you want to do the Dyna S for yours, I might be making a little kit to fit it to the 650 for a couple members. Let me know if you’re interested.

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2102 on: July 15, 2019, 08:25:18 AM »
Done with ignition. 36.5° total advance and it pulls great. Idle setting is about 8° and I think it’s more stable. I’ll have to test some more of course. Always testing.

Almost 68hp and that’s with this new DynoJet software which I’m told is not generous at all. Rick’s up in Mass would probably show between 70-75hp. I’m happy and I think the bike is done for now!!! There’s always the rear disk conversion though.



If you don't want to go the full Monty with a Cognito rear hub, you could always replace the rear wheel with a 1975-76 CB750F hub and disc.
I’ll check it out, thanks Don. Won’t be until the winter if I do decide on it. I kind of hope I don’t decide on it though, haha.

Oh, and if you want to do the Dyna S for yours, I might be making a little kit to fit it to the 650 for a couple members. Let me know if you’re interested.

Yes, I'm interested.  I have a spare Dyna S, 3 ohm coils and wires.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2103 on: July 25, 2019, 05:19:28 AM »
In case anyone is interested, I’m selling my C5 ignition. The faulty trigger module is being replaced with a new one.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=178549.msg2072215#msg2072215

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2104 on: July 30, 2019, 11:13:59 PM »
Hi Dave, last week I took of the C5 ignition and placed the original on the bike. Cold start and the road no difference.
Maybe on a dyno there would be a difference, but road feel is the same.
I’ll keep the reliable stock ignition for now. I have spare coils and ignitors (CDI units).

I thought I’ll let you know.

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2105 on: July 31, 2019, 02:15:43 AM »
Ah interesting, well glad it’s all working well. Nice to have a stock ignition to swap in.

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2106 on: August 06, 2019, 05:11:24 AM »
Something else I’m working on is one little aesthetic issue I have with the bike. The top triple is too tall compared to the tank and I want to lower it. I can machine the triple and top of the steering stem so it sits much lower but then the forks will be sticking out the top which I also don’t want. I’ve been researching lowering forks internally by cutting the springs. Emailed RaceTech and I could buy all the parts but I could save a few hundred dollars by doing it myself. I just don’t really understand what needs to be done. Remember, I have 2003-2004 Yamaha R6 forks. They’re conventional forks so they’re easier to mod than upside down forks.

Anyone have any knowledge on this kind of modification they’d like to share?

If it helps, here’s an exploded view of my forks:

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« Reply #2107 on: April 24, 2020, 09:38:44 AM »
Spring 2020 updates! Thanks to Covid-19 I have a lot of time to work on the bike now. My last post was about questions on shortening the forks and I got that done as well as lowering the top triple about 1” so it sits more flush with the line of the tank. Much better appearance in my opinion.

The Cognito top and bottom triples are great, but they are thick and the top triple doesn’t have a counterbore or “pocket” on the hole of the steering stem so it just sits on top of the bearing preload nuts. Doesn’t make for a clean install in my opinion. At least for my ‘03-‘04 R6 forks.




I called a small local machine shop and they milled out a counterbore to my dimensions in about an hour. Also bought an M28 x 1.0 thread cutting die to increase the amount of threads on the steering stem. Put it in my old pipe threading die wrench and it worked like a charm. This worked out nicely and it sits a hair shy of flush with the top of the frame.






Lowering the forks took some research just on how to do it. But, once I saw how, it was extremely easy. Turned up some lowering spacers on my lathe out of UHMW of the amount I want the bike lowered (.750”). I heard that’s a good plastic for this which is highly impact resistant (doesn’t need to be) and has excellent chemical resistance, especially to hydraulic oils. Also reduced the length of the stock spacers by .750” and things went together easy and lowered the forks perfectly.

To lower the forks I added the small UHMW spacers to the fork at about the 25” mark on the cutting mat. Between the small spring and the spring stop. Then also shortened the length of the large spacers to the far left the same amount.

Also, when removing the forks I slipped in PVC pipe to keep the handlebars and headlight in place, worked great. I was please with myself, haha. 






After this I found some good info on RaceTech’s website on how to set up your bike’s suspension for your weight.
https://www.racetech.com/page/id/30#3
Because I’m so small and frail the stock R6 forks, even with the preload adjusters all the way out for it’s minimal stiffness, were still way too stiff. I felt it on the road and the measurements confirmed it. I bought some used RaceTech .80 kg/mm springs on eBay for under $17 which still measured out well within spec. Threw those in and it’s a lot better. I still have to have the preload adjusters at it’s lightest setting but now it’s adjusted as it should be. Haven’t ridden yet to confirm the performance but that will happen soon.

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2108 on: April 24, 2020, 11:08:52 AM »
Awesome build!


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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2110 on: April 24, 2020, 02:12:09 PM »
I love this bike.  I fondly think of it as the R&D bike for my project that some day I will complete!
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build
« Reply #2111 on: April 24, 2020, 02:13:21 PM »
Nice work Dave!

I would love to have a lathe...

David
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« Reply #2112 on: April 24, 2020, 02:47:10 PM »
I love this bike.  I fondly think of it as the R&D bike for my project that some day I will complete!
Someday, haha! Hope this build thread will be enough for you to go by because when you get back into this project I’ll probably have dementia.

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« Reply #2113 on: April 24, 2020, 02:49:06 PM »
Nice work Dave!

I would love to have a lathe...

David
Thanks David! And I agree on the lathe but only you (really miss RAF) can change that.

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« Reply #2114 on: April 24, 2020, 10:47:26 PM »
Miss RAF?  No Miss in my life...lived alone since 06
David- back in the desert SW!