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Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« on: September 30, 2006, 05:42:35 PM »
I made a bold decission today. I'm going to take the time and energy to modify my frame to allow head removal in-frame. I've modified the engine to 836cc, added a big cam, ported the heads, added after market exhaust, K&N's - all to get the bike I wanted. The time and effort it will take to completely strip this bike down just to lay it down on a table and remove the engine so six $3 rubber seals can be glued in-place is not the way I want to do it. I'd rather spend that time engineering, carefully cutting with a Portaband, and machining barstock on a lathe to fit bolt-in frame tubes. Two of my new/modern bikes have bolt-in frame tubes for engine removal. It's practical, it can be done correctly, and it can be made safe.

I posted this here for input, please. Who has done it, what are your impressions afterwards, and what would you do different?

Today I rode over to my local speed shop to show the guys (father/son) the bike they did the head porting and 836cc bore work on for me. I showed them my leaks and they laughed - 30 minute job "at most". Obviously I'm not believing it - until I'm shown their 2 drag bikes. Both CB750 SOHC models. One is a 900cc and the other is something over 1,000cc. Both are sleeved, ported, extensive valve work, super-lift cams, and open headers - all for drag racing and heavy launches with big tires and wheelie bars.

Both bikes had the two horizontal frame tubes removed from the steering head to the front of the seat. These are the 2 that run just over the head cover. They don't run anything, just the single back-bone. I will not try that although they've done it for many years and thousands of passes down the strip.

I plan to cut those 2 tubes carefully, deburr the ends, have perfect-fit barstock inserts machined to fit into the 4 tube openings left after cutting. I'll take the removed pieces to a machine shop and have 1 side clam-shelled so it can be bolted onto the original frame in 4 locations and fit over the 4 barstock inserts. I've looked and the bolt heads will clear the tank and there is plenty of room for the locknuts to the inside. Even the trangulated center piece can be "tabbed" so that too can be drilled and stainless bolts used to "tie" it all into a stock configuration and retain high strength. I figure this will add 1/2 pound and the very most and I'll have a fully removable frame section that will allow head removal in-frame.

Honda would/should have done this back then. But, we know they were trying to hold pricing for their "new" superbike to those of the British 750's back in 1968 when the CB750 was launched.

Comments and photos please - I promise the same. I'll have this done at a friend's machine shop then powdercoat before adding the stainless hardware that will hold it together. All of this will absolutely invisible when the stock tank is in-place. The barstock inserts fit into the bike's frame and the removable tubes are bolted "onto" the inserts and then through-bolted for complete rigidity. I think it can be done - it should be done!

I don't really see the long-term potential of my modified K4 going up in value, so purist - give me a break ! I wouldn't dare do this to a K0, Z1, or an H2. This is "my" bike and meant to be ridden, enjoyed, modified more, played with, modified some more. What better way to enjoy a solid engine than with the option of easy head and cylinder removal ??

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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2006, 06:06:45 PM »
what about just cutting out the spine tube & side rails & replacing it with a single larger diameter spine tube. pump the tank base a little to fir over it, then plumb the spine to run the oil, yammie xt500 style.
just a dream, but then you could launch into that mono shock conversion will the oil tank gone!

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 06:23:14 PM »
I say go for it. Your theory seems sound. As you say, it's not a concourse resto. good luck and I look forward to pics
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 06:37:47 PM »
Gordon..it has been done before BUT without your attention to detail. It will work (if you need a vote of support). Bimota did the same thing for years...I've seen it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 07:09:31 PM »
Gordon,

There is a lot of guys that would tell you that you are nuts for affecting the frame integrity. I think the bar stock inside the frame tubes will make it stronger provided it bolts up properly. So, I'm not one of those guys. PICTURES & PROCEDURES required !! Go for it! I can show you a picture of my margarine tub sitting below my bike catching the oil dripping from the head due to the same issue. On top of that the friggin head gasket leaks too! Too many things to do to get me to pull the engine at this point. Gotta build my other engine first then it's bike. When I break down the SS from top to bottom I may just do the Gordon Frame Procedure.

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2006, 07:29:33 PM »
Well then, I'll have to do it. I love thinking these things through and I've only gotten bit 10 or 12 times.... ;D

Here is how I did my H2B dragbike. I wanted a 3" extention and I really liked the bracing used on my ZRX, so my machinist friend and I started cutting, turning, and welding metal. The result is something I've received a lot of compliments over in the triples community. This is a good illustration of a machined insert and plug welds - absolutely stronger than stock.

I'll take photos and send the obituary out if not successful...

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 07:30:17 PM »
Gordon,

There is a lot of guys that would tell you that you are nuts for affecting the frame integrity. I think the bar stock inside the frame tubes will make it stronger provided it bolts up properly. So, I'm not one of those guys. PICTURES & PROCEDURES required !! Go for it! I can show you a picture of my margarine tub sitting below my bike catching the oil dripping from the head due to the same issue. On top of that the friggin head gasket leaks too! Too many things to do to get me to pull the engine at this point. Gotta build my other engine first then it's bike. When I break down the SS from top to bottom I may just do the Gordon Frame Procedure.

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2006, 03:12:51 AM »
well reading your description and looking at your pictures i think you know what you are doing  ;), so why ask us ? , do it and post plenty of pictures plz, honda should have do this in the first place  :),     mick.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2006, 06:29:23 AM »
I made a bold decission today. I'm going to take the time and energy to modify my frame to allow head removal in-frame. I've modified the engine to 836cc, added a big cam, ported the heads, added after market exhaust, K&N's - all to get the bike I wanted. The time and effort it will take to completely strip this bike down just to lay it down on a table and remove the engine so six $3 rubber seals can be glued in-place is not the way I want to do it. I'd rather spend that time engineering, carefully cutting with a Portaband, and machining barstock on a lathe to fit bolt-in frame tubes. Two of my new/modern bikes have bolt-in frame tubes for engine removal. It's practical, it can be done correctly, and it can be made safe.




Gordon,

Go for it, my bike was modified the same way.  I can unbolt the top of the frame and pull out the top end in minutes.  Just take your time.  Measure twice and cut once.  It will actually add a bit of weight to the bike in the end, but it is marginal.

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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 07:42:54 AM »
You might lose a tinch of torsional rigidity, but since this isn't going to be a 1000hp monster I cannot see how that would matter. As you rightly say, Honda should have done it in the first place.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 05:08:08 PM »
It sounds like you are on the right track.

I picked up a CB750 K3 with a portion of the lower upper tubing right over the cam cover removed and then replaced (some misguided PO  ??? ) Their problems started when they tried to weld the tubing back in. Very poor job - probably done with a torch (as opposed to a TIG or MIG) since it looks like they got the cam cover and other engine parts very very hot  :( :( :( .

I was considering how I could repair the damage and return the frame to its original rigidity. Your Idea sounds good.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2006, 06:33:38 PM »
If I am not mistaken, some if not all years of the 750 autos had stock frames with either removable or bent tubes (can't remember which)  to allow head removal.  It might be worthwhile to examine how Honda engineered this change.

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2006, 07:01:57 PM »
Sparty, anyone - can you post some pics? I'm heading over to the machine shop on Saturday for the cutting and powdercoat.

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2006, 11:51:56 PM »
It works, its been done before. the drag bikes probably dont have particularly large front brakes and dont carry passengers high up so weight transfer onto front wheel isnt an issue. I'd say go for it. It should look pretty stock when completed and probably will be more rigid than standard frame as the tubes cant twist. ( if your fitting slugs you could make a triangulated section and still brace to top tube, heavy but a lot stronger than original)
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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2006, 12:25:03 AM »
i remember this topic a while ago , posted by a young lad, and he got flamed big time for it ;)... was quite a fight... how come the consensus(?) has changed???.... ???

 interesting the dynamic of forums sometimes ::)....... BTW if you vcan make it stronger than stock.... go your hardest ;D

you need to keep a pic library of the work though...

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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2006, 12:37:15 AM »
I say if anyone can come up with a proven design....then maybe I would check it out.Yeah sure.......it would be great to pull the head without yankin the motor out but I wouldn't want to risk weakening the frame to do it. Show some blue prints(and balanced please?).
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2006, 01:17:26 PM »
These old frames are not all that sturdy, go for it! as long as you feel comfortable enough to know that it won't fall apart on the highway. Keep us posted too!
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2006, 01:33:08 PM »
I have a question for the owner of the Kow that was pictured.
Did they come with braced swingarms?  Because it sure looks damn fiine.

I wish I had a braced tube swing arm :-[..........Can your machinist friend fab one up for me! ;)
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2006, 02:20:48 PM »
The 1970's Kawasakis did not. You'll have to make one. I liked the braced swingarm on my ZRX, but it's actually 1" shorter than a stock H2 swinger, so I copied it after adding 3" to it's length. Take care to allow for chain routing. The bottom links have to pass through the brace. This bike had to have the extra length and it's still what I call unridable.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2006, 01:30:20 PM »
who owns the dragbikes?i would love to get more info on them.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2006, 01:38:13 PM »
I call this my drag bike. It's a 1974 H2 750 mod/restoration I did last year. The motor was done to 160 horse specs by a shop in upstate New York. The swingarm is lengthened by 3" and the clubmans are a hard reach down for an old guy like me. This bike could not be ridden otherwise and is a handful now. I rode it Saturday and about 10 miles is my max. It's built for 1/4 mile runs and a younger butt.

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2006, 01:46:04 PM »
thats a very nice ride there,but nothin personal i was talking about the 2 hondas
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2006, 04:42:36 PM »
That sure is a nice,clean shop you have Gordon. Do you have a bike lift (Handy etc)?
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2006, 05:20:20 PM »
Gordon, stop moaning about your age,.....just get it on the drag strip and do it.  ;D ;D ;D

A lot of the guys that do well over here are the older ones, one is 70 :o :o :o

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2006, 05:31:39 PM »
Gordon, don't know if this will work, if it dose, scroll through the pics till you find one of a big kawasaki with a blue nitrous bottle.

Also look at the surface they have to ride on.

The guy is 70, and was the first person to run an 8 in Europe on a blown Triumph.

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2006, 05:40:00 PM »
Rick, I don't. A table lift is one of those purchases I keep putting off. I do 1 or 2 bikes a year and I started thinking this is the "last one"  - a couple of years ago. I'm not sure I'll ever get one since the one I want is about $1,600. They are nice for oil changes and this one has drop down leafs front and rear to make tire removal easy. Maybe Santa will read this and bring one.....A friend nearby has it and they do a lot of cruiser oil and tire changes. They couldn't funtion without theirs.

I do have the Condor wheel chock which I use all of the time and all during assembly. They are well worth the $240 as they easily adjust and will hold the big Nomad, the ZRX, and even a little S90 perfectly verticle for oil changes. I bought a Craftsman bike jack a couple of years ago to service my Sportster, but I've been dissapointed with it since most of my Japanese bikes have pipes below the engine, using the jack is impractical. This is a hobby. It's what I like doing in the evenings and weekends. The restoring and tinkering on old bikes is my off-work life, so I am not sure about ever seeing that last "one". I may go in the ground the day after.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2006, 05:44:25 PM »
Sam, #V66 and #37 have me beat for sure. That old man and bike are getting a great holeshot!
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2006, 06:03:02 PM »
Gordon,

V66 is Eddie Turner on a 1931 500cc Douglas fore and aft flat twin, it ran 14.02 @ 90mph.

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2006, 06:27:33 PM »
Gordon,

Regarding those SS fasteners to hold the removable frame tubes in place...

You sound like a very detail-oriented kind of guy (as am I), so you've probably considered this already, but will you be using shoulder bolts or a pin/sleeve arrangement to attach the frame tubes? Seems that they'll probably come under a decent amount of stress and it would be a shame (and possibly a disaster) if one of them were to shear. Probably a belt-and-braces solution, but I've been reading Carrol Smith's "Nuts, Bolts, and Fasteners" lately and am really starting to rethink how, where, and what fasteners I use.

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2006, 01:49:30 PM »
Back in the 70s we sold literly hundreds of frame kits for 750s. They were two tubes about 11 inches long and four sleeves about 3 inches long. You cut the top tubes out of the frame the same length as thwe two tubes in the kit, them used the fout sleeves to bolt everything in. Everyone who raced Hondas used these things. There was never a complaint about handling, etc.

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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2006, 07:11:38 PM »
Gordon - nice ZRX!!!     Right colour, anyhow...;D

Can you attach the Honda tubes the same way that the right side down tube of the ZRX is attached?  Looks pretty sturdy on mine, as long as the bolts are tight.

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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2006, 09:06:43 PM »
If I were going to do this (and might, with my spare K4 frame, for experimental reasons, before carving into my beloved K2), I would start with the SERIOUS inspection of the existing frame tubes. They often rust, especially down below. Then, I would consider cutting out most of the 3-tube run from seat-to-head, followed by using either slightly larger diameter tubing or slightly thicker (smaller I.D., same O.D.) tubing as stock, making 2 uprights (each side) of smaller width in between, replacing the one of stock design. Then, the 2 outer tubes would need a little gusseting at their landing points on the uprights, because they will be landing into lighter tubing, which will tend to crack the welds otherwise.

Honda's frame design was predicated on the Norton Featherbed frame, one of the most successful frame designs of all time. Oddly, it was first built of thick water pipe, by a couple of semi-liquored Brits during a cold winter, who wanted to race with Norton's tremendous torque. The advantage is the 3-point head landing, coupled with the wide cradle, both of which tend to make a rigid triangle between the swingarm mount points and the steering  tube, leaving the always-flexing engine out of the system. Honda's only mistake (starting with the K1 model) was to use thinner-walled tubing, which greatly reduced the side-to-side "twitch" reduction of the original Featherbed. Several racers I knew added a wrap of .031" tubing around the original side tubes on top (split them lengthwise, rewelded them over the original ones), to find they had created a frame so stiff it barely resembled the original (in handling terms). I've long wanted to do this to mine, but it REALLY complicated the act of removing the engine: that last 1/32" is really needed sometimes.

Racers I knew who added the "kits" of the 1970s that allowed removal of the upper tubes for engine maintenance all abandoned them for evil high-speed handling issues. I suspect that this was due to the poor method of reconnection and the even-thnner tube that was sold with those "kits" back then. The removable sections had 2 bolts that passed through the match-drilled holes on either end, supposedly squishing down onto the stock tubes when tightened. Problem was, the stock tubes simply crush, leaving a poor connection, and, frankly, one bolt per end is simply not enough grip. Drag racers got away with it because they don't often take wide, sweeping turns on purpose.   :o

Part 2 of "if I were going to do this, and might...", if I were doing it for in-frame engine servicing...: the insert sections must tie in with very thick-walled joints that will not crush, with 3-4 short, tough bolts at each junction that thread into the inserts, not through the tubes. Do not use solid slugs, they are weaker than tubes (that's just physics, boys, and ask the guys who extended forks that fateful way). The joint, put simply, must be as strong as a weld. Personally, I would also attempt to add as much width over the engine as is practical, by either offsetting the pipes or bending them outward a little, to improve the lateral stiffness to the head. This I would do directly over the engine area, narrowing back to the head. Look at the CBX (1000) or some crotch rocket tube frames to get the idea: it works. And, while cutting in pipes and the like, think about a small gusset to box in the "square" behind the engine, above the swingarm pivot, to steady up the head. That works, too.  ;)

If I were doing it for racing, I would do it to the downtubes and rear-of-engine cradle instead, adding an extra bent-tube crossmember across the bottom rear of the engine. It would be stronger, and the engine would be lowered to the ground, whole, for servicing. I've seen this done, and quite successfully, on the "F" model on the circuits of the late 1970s.

Like I've got the time, in between all these swingarm rebuilds...  :)
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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2006, 05:42:36 PM »
Hondaman,

I thought this one through long before I actually took the Portaband to my just finished 836 resto.

My 2003 1500 Nomad touring bike has a bolt-in frame piece as does the before mentioned 2000 ZRX1100. Both bikes are designed to allow the removal of the right side downtube. This is a major structural part of the frame, but the attachment design and bolts used are made for the task. The big "OK" came when I looked at the CB750's tank and realized the fuel tank hid the whole project under it's stock belly. You will not see this modification. You won't even see it from the side - it's hid under that tank's sides where it flairs downward as it clears the frame rails undergoing surgery.

Here is the plan - This is a simple, crude drawing to illustrate the plan. Nothing is to scale. I've got a machinist/engineer working on the fabrication of insert halves, drilling and tapping the threads, and fitment between the four pairs 1/2 receivers and their 10mm grade 8 allen bolts that clamp the two halves together (or metric equivalent of same). He came out and studied the ZRX and Nomad joints and said he'd "match or exceed" their strength. The removed piece will get shortened to fit the new joinery. All 8 inserts will be TIG welded in-place inside the frame tubes. I'll lose a little powdercoat, although they are going to put cold-wrap around the tubing to minimize heat transfer. Once done, I'll use a high-gloss epoxy paint to return the frame to a durable gloss black. The removable piece will of course be stripped and re-powdercoated once the new ends are welded in place.

BK - Thanks on the ZRX comments. I enjoy this bike and have for the 6 years I've owned it. I just don't get much chance to ride it because I prefer the old 70's bikes to these newer ones.

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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2006, 08:32:11 PM »
I couldn't make out too well the purple and yellow parts in your drawing: are they flat plate-type parts? If so, I have a suggestion: see if you can locate a couple of dowels (with tapered edges) into these assemblies to provide positive alignment and extra shear strength when they bolt together. This is usually done in machinery that requires precise positioning with removability for servicing, but must be very strong and repeatably aligned.

Up under the tank is the best option for allowing in-frame engine work, that's certain. Good luck with this: it will be fun to see how it works out!
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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2009, 06:47:36 PM »
Well... is there any progress?
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Re: Head Removal In-frame CB750 K4 --Purist Be Warned !!
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2009, 07:57:18 PM »
Well... is there any progress?
Yes the task was accomplished quite nicely by Gordon. Many people here have purchased the kits and installed them.  Here's the latest of many threads on the subject. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=43144.0  On page 3 of this link is another thread link from XN complete with installation pictures.
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