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Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« on: September 27, 2014, 11:22:33 AM »
Has or does anybody know if the 750f carbs are a direct bolt on for a 750k? My friend has a set. He wants to know what they would do to my bike. I have a k6, it runs well after all the carb work and tuning that has been put into it. I got it 10 years ago for $200. Not perfect yet but its on its way to being a street worthy beast. Got it with 12,000 miles, it's up to 17k. Right now the single front brake is almost not enough to handle the motor. I know the manifolds on the F bike are not as long, and the carbs are bigger, Other than that it looks to be close. I haven't yet measured center to center on the k6 carbs, so im not sure...anybody have knowledge on this one?

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 11:35:31 AM »
2 different F models, 2 different F carbs??
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 01:00:07 PM »
Unless you have modified other things such as the exhaust, air-cleaner, cam, intake ports etc, I would stay with what you have and adjust accordingly with jets and needle-clip position. The F0-1 are 28mm; F2-3 are 31mm but with a butterfly so effective carb throat is similar to 28mm. 
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2014, 09:15:59 PM »
These are f carbs off a 78. The exhaust has the baffles removed original 4-4. My bike as it sits, runs better than any other I've seen or rode. Sorry tootn my horn :-p it's mostly original. I do believe old scrambler  you are speaking of the float height when you say carb throat? Is that right? If so, the k carbs are a 26mm. Most likely the f carbs wont stay on the bike. Just thinkn about trying them. Hmmm

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2014, 09:18:14 PM »


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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2014, 01:54:53 PM »
The K carbs are 28mm ID at the opening to the motor manifolds.............

The F2-3 carbs are 31mm .................and very much larger (maybe 42 OD) at the air-box intake side.............so they will not fit in your box.................but if you have the rubbers and box from the F3......they should fit if with either set of manifolds with a little more effort.

I may be wrong..........but I don't think they will give you any advantage.
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 08:31:09 PM »
If I had one that ran that good. I'd be thankfull and ride the heck out of it. Oh wait, I do and yes I do.
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2014, 09:40:57 PM »
Sorry my first reply never posted been a min. So im thinkn I am going to do the wintergreen boot treatment, before I try to set these other carbs on. Heres the trick... I'm bound and determined to make a youtube video while I'm at it. I know so many people are at a lose when it comes to the carbs. I'm making that video. Show the internt how to clean em and set the floats. So when I get it finished I'll post the link here.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 09:46:04 PM »
And... thank you much Ol'Scrambler  for the info. Thought about stretching the boots to fit by over soakn em then setn the F carbs in but ... I dont think I'll need to.  Just gotta try it. They are sitn in my lap. ;)

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 06:14:12 AM »
On one hand you say your bike is running perfectly. On the other hand you're saying that you're going to shoe-horn the wrong carbs onto it by attempting to stretch the old intake rubbers (you'll break them). Are you some sort of glutton for punishment?

Please don't make a video. You don't want anybody to mistakenly think you're doing something rational.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 07:02:48 AM »
Yeah -  why bother ??

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2014, 07:25:39 AM »
And... thank you much Ol'Scrambler  for the info. Thought about stretching the boots to fit by over soakn em then setn the F carbs in but ... I dont think I'll need to.  Just gotta try it. They are sitn in my lap. ;)

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2014, 08:07:24 AM »
Vames you can suck it hater! :)

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2014, 08:12:13 AM »
I am trying it for the accelerator pump! I was to see 1. if its faster 2. how it feels without the bog when ya give half throttle on take off 3. if I can do it.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2014, 08:18:00 AM »
Vames you can suck it hater! :)

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2014, 08:28:12 AM »
Thanks!

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2014, 09:16:02 AM »

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you'll need to fashion a new choke pull setup up at your bars so your fast idle cam works....
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Yes I do. Haven't figured that one out yet. The task seems fairly easily surmounted. I am not sure that I will put it in on the bars though.  I'm getn a tripod for my camera on sat. I'll be able to start then.  This is my first video and I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so this may take a while.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2014, 09:26:30 AM »
F Carbs from 77 are much longer than the early K Carbs so you definitely need the short intake rubbers from the 77/78 K-Modell . F2/F3 intake rubbers will not fit on your K manifolds. The k has a smaller OD on the manifold than F2. OD of the engine Side of the carbs is the same for 77/78 F and K. In fact K and F carbs from 77/78 are both the same except for jetting and float height.
If you do this change, you will probably also notice that it will need a lot of adjustment as the F2 Carbs are designed to feed a totally different engine set up with a bigger inlet ID, bigger valves, slightly different cam, other exhaust. The airbox itself is also different.
If your bike is running like hell in the current setup, leave it as it is. Accelerator pumps don't make faster.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2014, 02:23:31 PM »
Both the 392 heads and the early K heads (even a K0 one I have) have ~33.9mm intakes (OD on the non barb portion) and the ID is about the same. So basically any and all K heads have the same inlets on the head. Both K and F carbs also have the same diameter for the PD's (in the inlet), which is different than the round-tops.

There are three manifolds available, one for all the older K's, one the later ones with PD's and one for the F's.

This means with the early K rubbers + early K head you can fit roundtops, late K rubbers + early K head you can fit PD's, late K rubbers + late K head you can fit PD's, and early K rubbers + late K head you can fit roundtops. The jetting is probably close enough on all of them that you can tweak it to make it work (I've done it for both on a freeflow 4-1 setup with a K&N in stock airbox).

As for the difference in PD carb jetting, you can easily get away with a jet kit or OEM jets to account for that.

The rationale for running round tops is that they're super easy to clean and look mechanically awesome. You can also delete the cable choke and they polish up nicely (and can be bored with some $$$ or skill if janky and looking for power).

The rationale for running round tops is that they don't have the flat spot off idle, actually have a really nice tuning system, and since everything is all internal, I often find they're in much nicer shaft on the linkages/etc... The idle up cam is also cool.

I wouldn't go out of my way to run one or the other, but considering that you end up replacing most of this stuff when doing a resto or build...it's not out of the question to be swapping.
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2014, 12:36:11 PM »
Well it is definitely not a direct bolt on. The angled intake off the head make it a no go for me. They are very different.  On a side note the wintergreen oil trick does work. Although it is vurry stinky. If I do it again I will use 1 ounce to a half gallon of water.  4 ounces was a waste of wintergreen.

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2014, 12:46:43 PM »
Those look like DOHC carbs. Should be a good challenge...

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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2014, 12:55:08 PM »
^^ Those are DOHC F carbs. The SOHC F/K ones will fit with the right manifolds As mentioned before, 77-78 manifolds are just tighter and accept a bigger OD on the carb inlet. The carb spacing is more or less the same between those two.

You will gain absolutely nothing swapping to a set of CV carbs like the ones you've got for a motor they don't fit on. If you're having running issues with round-tops you will have be tearing out hair trying to jet a CV carb and modify the internal passages for an engine it wasn't designed to run on.
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Re: Ello :) 750f carbs on 750k?
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2014, 09:20:15 PM »
Typical.
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