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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #925 on: April 22, 2015, 06:36:13 AM »
Ron,

You're so close! You've done an amazing job, no doubt learned a ton that will be applicable to any future moto projects, and shared an experience with your son that I, for one, can only envy.

You're closer than you think, and this chronicle has been fantastic reading, and a great resource for others in the future. Great job.

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #926 on: April 22, 2015, 07:33:26 AM »
I verified a set of points once by this method:

1) Disconnect points at their bullet connectors (yellow / blue wires that run back by the brake switch area ).

2) Connect a test light to battery (+) and the other side to either of the the points wires (the side that leads to the points, not to the coils).

3) Use the electric start or kicker to roll over the engine. If the points (or electronic ignition) are working correctly, the test light should flash on and off.

4) Repeat the same test for the other points wire (do the 2/3 if you did the 1/4 first). Both should flash on and off while the bike is turning over.

If they are flashing that means your coils are being getting "signal" to fire and the problem is likely in the coils. If the test light remains on or off and does not flash then your problem is with your points (or electronic ignition).

The same type of test could be done with a volt meter (voltage should go from 12v to 0) ... or on resistance if you tested between any frame ground and the points (resistance should go from infinite to ~0).

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #927 on: April 22, 2015, 09:59:54 AM »

Hi Ron

On some of the electronic ignitions they need to be fed power to the circuit board at points plate position, so there is an extra wire on top of blue and yellow going to this.

This is usually taken from the black ignition switched feed to rear brake light switch.

Sometimes float valves can be settled by a gentle tap on side of bowl with screwdriver handle.

Aftermarket valves are notoriously unreliable, best to use originals unless damaged.

Others have found it necessary to clean brass float seat area with a clean soft wood dowel suitably shaped to fit.

If carbs have sat in freezing conditions sometimes the oveflow tubes splits so fuel leaks even when level correct.

You can test by removing the bowl and filling with fuel and I use a x10 magnifier when examining carb parts.

Also check that the float bowl drain screws O rings are fitted and area is clean.

+1 on not checking spark whilst fuel/vapour is around. Best to shut off fuel if there is a leak and you want to check spark.

Sorry if not applicable to your set up or I have duplicated any points already covered :-[
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #928 on: April 22, 2015, 10:04:09 AM »
Sometimes I write too much, but I suspect when explaining something someone is reading, they may not fully picture what is being written. Best to take them step-by-step when helping them through "new territory".

And, it's often likely that my explanations are already obvious to the reader, so I'm just prattling on-

My point exactly, the best teacher assumes the other person knows nothing at all and explains it in baby steps.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #929 on: April 22, 2015, 01:50:36 PM »
BTW cranking the engine over with the throttle held open can definitely cause the carbs to "overflow", because you are creating more vacuum on them with the throttle open then you would be with throttle closed. This is especially true if the choke is on. the excess gas often comes out the air box, or into the cylinders.
 
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #930 on: April 22, 2015, 02:26:13 PM »
OK...status update and a question:

Per the PAMCO instructions:
http://www.cb750ignition.com/installation2.htm

1. Connect the red wires from both cables of the PAMCO to the black/white wire that comes from the kill switch. The black/white wire is still connected to the coil.
2. The black wire from both cables of the PAMCO is connected to the frame.

3. The green wire from one of the cables is connected to the 1 - 4 coil. (blue wire) (See #5 Above)

4. The green wire from the other cable is connected to the 2 - 3 coil (yellow wire) (See #5 above)


So:
- We have the black wires from both cables of the PAMCO connected to the green ground.
- Our green wire from the cable beside the trigger on the right of the PAMCO is connected to the blue wire from the 1/4 coil.
- Our green wire from the cable beside the trigger on the left side of the PAMCO is connected to the blue wire from the 2/3 coil (no yellow wire on our 2/3 coil...has another blue instead)

But here's the question:
- regarding #1 above...we have the 2 red wires tied into the same connector where the black/white wires are connected.

SOOOOOOO:

We still don't have spark on #1 and #4.  We DO have spark on #2 and #3.  We also have 12 volts at the black/white wire on the back of both coils.  And, with the switch on and the kill switch set to Run, we have 12v at the black/white connector; when you turn the run switch off, the voltage drops to 0.  So it appears that the kill switch is working.  But given all that, either we misinterpreted something in the PAMCO instructions or....we have a bad coil for 1/4? Any other ideas?




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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #931 on: April 22, 2015, 02:32:35 PM »
Or a bad Pamco trigger/sensor for 1/4. Switch the Pamco ignition trigger connections to the coils (swap 2/3 green with 1/4 green) and see if the spark follows. If it does, then the Pamco pickup is bad. If the spark stays on the same cylinders then the coil is bad.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #932 on: April 22, 2015, 03:07:30 PM »
Can you shoot a picture of the connection of the 1/4 coil where you crimped/attached the BLK/WHT and RED please?

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #933 on: April 22, 2015, 03:18:13 PM »
Ya, you've chased and wired it perfectly. Follow Wilber's suggestions and you will know for sure where the problem lay.

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #934 on: April 22, 2015, 03:19:09 PM »
The male bullet connector (with the red and black/white wires) is not crimped. Did you solder that one?

Also, if you follow my suggestion and determine the coil is good, you might still want to check the wire from the coil down to the trigger (at the points plate) and make sure you have a continuous circuit before deciding the trigger is bad.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #935 on: April 22, 2015, 03:41:05 PM »
Wilbur,
I re-did that connection after taking the picture because it didn't appear to be very solidly in there.  I put a new bullet connector on and crimped it down well.

So....it appears I have a bad 1/4 coil.  Before swapping them, I confirmed again that I had spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4.  Then, we swapped the green/blue connections.  Afterwards, I'm still getting spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4. 

I suppose the best thing now is to try and send a PM to Pamco Pete and see if I can get a replacement coil?
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #936 on: April 22, 2015, 03:44:21 PM »


 I confirmed again that I had spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4.   Afterwards, I'm still getting spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4. 



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« Reply #937 on: April 22, 2015, 03:54:40 PM »
I confirmed again that I had spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4.   Afterwards, I'm still getting spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4. 
Ron - is this a typo?
No, it means coil B is firing whether it's attached to Blue or "Yellow". Which tells me it's not the coil, but the trigger.

That's what I was thinking - not the coil.  "Coils rarely fail" as they say...
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #938 on: April 22, 2015, 04:05:30 PM »
Ahhh...yeah I see where my logic was bad now.  Crap.  I was hoping it was the coil because I still have the 2 coils I pulled off the bike before and could substitute one of those. 

I bought the PAMCO from VintageCB750.com.  I guess I need to get in touch with them tomorrow and get a new one shipped out asap.  Logan has his "stand and deliver" tomorrow, which is his presentation to just his teacher.  We wouldn't have used the bike for that anyway and just used the PowerPoint.  But his final presentation is a week from today (next Wednesday) so I'm hoping that they can get me one shipped out overnight.

Worst case, we can trailer it up there and just let them look at it without cranking it.  But it sure would be nice to be able to let them hear it crank.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2015, 04:07:33 PM by Restoration Fan »
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #939 on: April 22, 2015, 04:41:44 PM »
It doesn't appear so, cal.  The connections aren't in a bind and look to be very solid.  And I can't see where it would be shorting against anything either.  Where it passes through the hole, the wire is in good shape and doesn't look to have any tears.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #940 on: April 22, 2015, 04:45:04 PM »
Have some points laying around? They're not that hard to set up, in the meantime...

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #941 on: April 22, 2015, 04:57:01 PM »
Damn! FYI, vintagecb750 is based in Canada, while cb750supply is based in the US. You might be able to return this set to vintagecb750 and order a new one faster from cb750supply. They are essentially all the same stuff.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #942 on: April 22, 2015, 05:31:28 PM »
Damn! FYI, vintagecb750 is based in Canada, while cb750supply is based in the US. You might be able to return this set to vintagecb750 and order a new one faster from cb750supply. They are essentially all the same stuff.
Good info.  Thank you.  I'm going to call them tomorrow and see what's available.  I don't mind them charging my card for a new unit and then refunding it when they get my unit back if that will help speed things up.

Thank you to all of you guys for the insight and the help with diagnosing what's going on.  We really appreciate the support, advice and help that we have received from other members of this forum. 
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #943 on: April 22, 2015, 05:45:40 PM »
I confirmed again that I had spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4.   Afterwards, I'm still getting spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4. 
Ron - is this a typo?
No, it means coil B is firing whether it's attached to Blue or "Yellow". Which tells me it's not the coil, but the trigger.

Now I'm confused.  ??? If you connect trigger (points) "A" (or blue) to coil "B" and the coil fires, and then you connect trigger (points) "B" (or yellow) to coil "B" and the coil fires again, then that means both triggers are good (they both signal the coil to "fire"). Connect each set of triggers (one at a time) to coil "A" only and see if coil "A" will fire on either set of triggers. If coil "A" will not fire on either set of triggers then the coil (or it's connections) are bad.

Now I'm getting a headache...  ;)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2015, 05:49:02 PM by madmtnmotors »
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #944 on: April 22, 2015, 05:51:37 PM »
Wilbur,
I re-did that connection after taking the picture because it didn't appear to be very solidly in there.  I put a new bullet connector on and crimped it down well.

So....it appears I have a bad 1/4 coil.  Before swapping them, I confirmed again that I had spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4.  Then, we swapped the green/blue connections.  Afterwards, I'm still getting spark on 2/3 but not on 1/4. 

I suppose the best thing now is to try and send a PM to Pamco Pete and see if I can get a replacement coil?

This points to a bad coil to me...
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #945 on: April 22, 2015, 05:54:08 PM »
Pm Peter, he'll sort you out... ;)
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #946 on: April 22, 2015, 06:38:33 PM »
I'm confused, Wilbur.

Coil A is connected to 1/4 and BLUE, but does not fire
Coil B is connected to 2/3 and GREEN, and does fire.
Move GREEN to coil A and 2/3 still fire (proof that coil A fires)


Wrong. Coil A is still connected to 1/4 spark plugs, only now we're connected to the 2/3 trigger. you've only swapped triggers, not spark plug leads. We've proved that both triggers will "fire" coil B (still connected to cylinders 2 and 3). They are now out of time, because we are firing out of sync, but we've shown that both triggers will fire coil B.  8)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2015, 06:41:01 PM by madmtnmotors »
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #947 on: April 22, 2015, 06:58:54 PM »

Wrong. Coil A is still connected to 1/4 spark plugs, only now we're connected to the 2/3 trigger. you've only swapped triggers, not spark plug leads. We've proved that both triggers will "fire" coil B (still connected to cylinders 2 and 3). They are now out of time, because we are firing out of sync, but we've shown that both triggers will fire coil B.  8)

That's correct.  I didn't swap the spark plug leads; just the triggers.   As a matter of fact, I'll admit to a little cheat.  Rather than taking the time to actually unscrew the spark plugs, I took another spark plug I had and just popped the spark plug wire off the plug that was still in the hole.  Then, I'd connect it to the extra plug and use that to test the wire.  Saved me a bunch of times of unscrewing the #2 and #3 plugs...which are a pain in the wompus to take out.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #948 on: April 22, 2015, 07:01:26 PM »
So hook up that spare coil and start that puppy!  ;)
TAMTF...


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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #949 on: April 22, 2015, 07:16:25 PM »
Yup, you're dead right, as usual Wilbur. Thanks for pointing that out.

Not always! You're pretty sharp cal, so I had to double and triple check my logic. Electrical can be maddening!
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
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Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
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