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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #925 on: April 07, 2015, 07:44:38 am »
Cleeeeeeeck the leeeeeeenk in my post. $36 ea plus shipping from Australia.

I had clicked the link but didn't catch where it said all prices were in Australian dollars.  So I had seen the $47.50 cost and was thinking, "Well that's the same price I paid but you also have shipping from Australia to pay."


Quick hijack... FYI - I ordered side cover emblems for my H1 from Marble Motors, they were out of stock and came dropped shipped from Australia. Thinking this is where he buys them from. 
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« Reply #926 on: April 07, 2015, 07:58:40 am »
I've ordered twice from Marble. Both times the were shipped from Oz. I figured this is his supplier.
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« Reply #927 on: April 08, 2015, 05:55:33 pm »
I called in the reinforcements tonight.  Even though my buddy Mike's dad is in his final days and has been moved to hospice, he came over this afternoon and we were able to get the 2 largest TO DO items on the list knocked off the list. 

Carbs back together and in the rack.  CHECK.  This one is completely on Mike.  He just kind of took each little piece of the puzzle and figured it out and we slowly but surely assembled the things. 
NOTE:  I'm aware that 1 of the screws holding the butterfly valve in #4 is only about 1/4 of the way in.  That screw is stripped and I left it only partially in so I can take it out tomorrow and go buy a replacement.




Electrical issues figured out.  CHECK.

It turns out the electrical issues were due to the fuse blocks having a bit too much grime and/or debris on 2 of the 3 fuse blocks.  Mike showed me how he would diagnose the problem and we went through step-by-step and narrowed down where the problem was until we had gotten back to the fuse block.  We were seeing voltage on one side of the 15 amp fuse, but not the other.  And we weren't seeing voltage come through on either side of the 7.5 and 5 amp blocks. 

So we took the fuse panel off, mixed up a mixture of white vinegar and salt and lowered the fuse panel down into it for about a minute or two.  Pulled it out, washed it off with water thoroughly and then dried it with air and a towel.  Put the fuses back in, tested the newly brightened copper and voila.....we were getting voltage...and the indicator lights started coming on. 

So, now when you turn the key, set it on run and hit the starter button...the starter turns over beautifully. :)
We do have an issue in that there's about a half a quart of oil on the floor now.  But looking under the bike, it appears we didn't completely screw in the oil filter and it's coming out there. 

Logan had to leave for soccer before we finished with the carbs so he wasn't there for any of the electrical work and doesn't yet know that the engine is turning over and you can feel the compression blowing out.  Can't wait until he gets home to show him that Stella is trying to breathe!

Tomorrow, we mount the carbs and air box and tighten the oil filter.  Then we put in the spark plugs, put some gas in the tank.....and hit the starter button.  I'm so excited I could almost spit! :)

I have to say a great big thank you to Wilbur for the offer to assist with the carbs and post videos/photos.  But especially to my great friend, Mike for being so selfless at a time that is incredibly tough.  You're in my prayers, my friend!
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« Reply #928 on: April 08, 2015, 06:56:43 pm »
Hey those carbs look good and it sounds like you made a LOT of progress!

Did you do a preliminary bench synchronization of the carbs?  Do that before you mount them to the bike.

You may already know this (and I'm not sure of the exact process on your PD model carbs but your shop manual should have the details) but the goal is to get the slides set as evenly to each other as possible, this will get you in the ball park so you can start it and then do a proper vacuum sync.  Raise the slides using the idle stop screw, measure the slide heights (some people use drill bits to measure this), adjust them as necessary, then lower idle stop screw to normal.  I believe that on your carb design one of the carbs is non-adjustable, in which case you will match the other three carbs to it's slide height.

You both must be getting pretty excited, you're getting close.

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #929 on: April 08, 2015, 07:00:24 pm »
Ron,
    Looking at an enlargement of the photo, it looks like the coil spring connection to the choke lever (attached to the #2 carb body) is riding up, Is there a slot in the lever to engage tis spring? Can you get a close-up of the assembly?

Looking good!
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #930 on: April 09, 2015, 05:11:36 am »
What a moment. This is about the time I pull an all-nighter because I can't sleep for thinking about it anyway :-). Great stuff Ron.
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« Reply #931 on: April 10, 2015, 05:22:50 pm »
We haven't tried to crank it yet.  Just using the starter to turn the engine over (before we put the spark plugs in and gas in), oil just pours out from underneath the oil filter area.  We replaced the oil filter and gasket there but we apparently don't have it tightened enough.  I'm really, really, really hesitant to tighten it much further though because I have read all the posts where people talk about stripping the threads in there and how much of a pain it is to try & fix that.  Any suggestions on ways to minimize the risk of stripping the threads?
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #932 on: April 10, 2015, 08:45:58 pm »
If you've reached the recommended torque specs on that, maybe try some non-hardening sealant on the gasket? Sorry to repeat if you've tried that, I haven't read back a few posts...

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« Reply #933 on: April 11, 2015, 03:21:31 am »
Make sure the cover is aligned correctly, look for notch at top, would suggest trial fitting without filter to make sure O ring is seating against crank case.

If it does, double check the filter and spring are correct.

http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb750k-750-four-k-1978-usa_model7244/partslist/E++12.html#results

Should seal at low torque, dont overtighten, does not need sealant.

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« Reply #934 on: April 11, 2015, 03:25:08 am »
Did you renew the bolt O ring as well?

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« Reply #935 on: April 11, 2015, 03:42:38 am »
Did you renew the bolt O ring as well?

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Martin,
We did.  Before we put the spring back on, it fit tightly and went on easily.  But once we put the spring assembly back on there, it was much more difficult to get it back on properly. 

We have the tab at the top and it's back in the little slot.  But if we crawl under the bike and look, you can see that it isn't seated completely right now.  Yet, it's starting to get pretty tight when turning the nut.  Which leads me to think we just don't have something correct on the assembly.  We matched the photo in the manual (or so we thought) when we reassembled the filter with the spring and washer assembly.

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« Reply #936 on: April 11, 2015, 04:06:17 am »
Did you renew the bolt O ring as well?

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Martin,
We did.  Before we put the spring back on, it fit tightly and went on easily.  But once we put the spring assembly back on there, it was much more difficult to get it back on properly. 

We have the tab at the top and it's back in the little slot.  But if we crawl under the bike and look, you can see that it isn't seated completely right now.  Yet, it's starting to get pretty tight when turning the nut.  Which leads me to think we just don't have something correct on the assembly.  We matched the photo in the manual (or so we thought) when we reassembled the filter with the spring and washer assembly.

They are quite tricky, especially with exhaust pipes fitted as you have to push on and tighten bolt at same time.

Could the filter be too long or wrong spring?

You should be able to push the filter cover far enough for faces to contact with moderate pressure.

Check if bolt fully screws in without filter cover.

If you measure depth/thickness all the parts, should be able to work out whats holding it off.


Assume you dont have oil cooler adaptor plate.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #937 on: April 11, 2015, 04:56:07 am »
No, we don't have an oil cooler adaptor plate.

Yeah, I hate to drain all the oil out of her but I think that's the prudent next step...to drain it and try test fitting all of this again without the spring to make sure everything is going in as it should.  Then, we'll re-assemble and put some oil back in.

Raphi and Martin,
Thank you both for your advice. :)
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« Reply #938 on: April 11, 2015, 05:28:21 am »
No need to drain the tank or the pan.  You won't even lose a full quart.
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« Reply #939 on: April 11, 2015, 06:57:29 am »
Just a thought...are you using OEM filter and gasket? Some guys were having trouble with Emgo and aftermarket filters having to narrow a filter housing gasket. They put the used OEM gasket back on and that solved the leaking from under the filter. Also do a good check of the filter housing for cracks. I like the idea to try the filter bolt with the housing off to see how easily it goes into the threads. Hoping the PO did not cross thread that area. It should not take much torque to seal that OEM gasket and no sealant should be needed.
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #940 on: April 11, 2015, 07:29:29 am »
Ron,

Try this - remove the housing and invert it, insert the bolt and the spring and oring and filter and then compress the filter against the spring, see if it's compressing smoothly. I think the filter might be hanging up on the bolt.
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« Reply #941 on: April 11, 2015, 08:20:12 am »
Ron,

Try this - remove the housing and invert it, insert the bolt and the spring and oring and filter and then compress the filter against the spring, see if it's compressing smoothly. I think the filter might be hanging up on the bolt.

That's exactly what was happening.   We removed everything and then just screwed the bolt in without even the housing on. It went smoothly all the way into the end of the threads. So at that point, we knew the problem was not the bolt or where the bolt goes into the engine.

 The filter is one I purchased from Amazon. The rubber gaskets on the top and bottom of it or very, very, very snug against the bolt.   We reassembled everything and then gently inserted it and started to tighten. At one point, it felt like we had stripped the bolt but we realized it was just the rubber grommet finally releasing its grip and letting the assembly finish its job of tightening against the housing. 
« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 09:38:28 am by Restoration Fan »
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« Reply #942 on: April 11, 2015, 11:04:08 am »
Cool! Onward! Fire this beauty up!
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« Reply #943 on: April 11, 2015, 11:21:43 am »
Cool! Onward! Fire this beauty up!

+1  We are impatiently waiting!
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« Reply #944 on: April 11, 2015, 12:59:28 pm »
Alright already!!  Ron and Logan just don't want to compete in this month's BOTM!
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« Reply #945 on: April 11, 2015, 01:54:57 pm »
 :D  Well, we're impatiently waiting too.  You have to remember that at least one of us is an idiot.

We tried to bleed the front brakes but, although we hear air coming out, there's no fluid coming down out of the line.  (And I mean we pumped on it for 3 or 4 minutes.)  Makes me think we might not have put everything back together perfectly in there so that might have to come back off and try that again.  We'll see.  For now, we decided to punt on that one and see if we could get her to fire up.

After a couple of tries, we finally got the carbs mounted...ended up using the ratchet strap method and it sure does make things easier.

Know what else would be easier after that?  If you actually go ahead and connect the throttle and choke cables BEFORE putting the air box on.  Yeah...we didn't do that.

And after the hour and and a half that it took us to get the air box mounted and on the carbs, we REALLY don't want to take it back off. 

I gave Logan a break for a few hours to go play Ultimate Frisbee with his buddies while I run to Home Depot and purchase a really long set of needle nose pliers to try & grab the barrel of the throttle cable that needs to snake underneath the system.  If we are able to grab it that way, we can hopefully avoid taking the airbox off.

But this IS Stella after all.  I'm betting the airbox gets pulled.



Once that happens though.  We're putting some gas in the tank and going to try & fire it up.  Should be sometime later this evening and we're going to video it.  I'll put it on YouTube, assuming it doesn't sling a rod out of the engine housing and kill one or both of us.  :P

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« Reply #946 on: April 11, 2015, 02:28:37 pm »
Might want to wear a cup when you do start it up... ::) Just in case, you know?
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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #947 on: April 11, 2015, 06:51:50 pm »
*sigh* So we haven't started it yet.  Ended up taking the air box back off and mounted up the cables.  This time, it only took a few minutes to re-mount the air box.  So then we went through the process of finishing up other things. 

It took us much longer to get the spark plugs back in than we thought it would.  #'s 2 and 3 are a b**ch!  Finally got them in and I had even sent Logan to go buy 2 gallons of Ethanol-free gas (we're fortunate to have a station with Ethanol-free gas about a mile away from our house).

So...at this point, the only thing left to do is hook up the fuel line and run the other three carb overflow lines.  That happens tomorrow.....and then we turn the key.  Man, it's going to be hard to sleep tonight.

I do have a question though:  when we twist the throttle, it opens fine but it doesn't spring back.  I thought the pull cable was supposed to do that.  Is there some type of adjustment that we need to make or something so that it snaps back?

Ron

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #948 on: April 11, 2015, 07:16:51 pm »
:D  Well, we're impatiently waiting too.  You have to remember that at least one of us is an idiot.

We tried to bleed the front brakes but, although we hear air coming out, there's no fluid coming down out of the line.  (And I mean we pumped on it for 3 or 4 minutes.)  Makes me think we might not have put everything back together perfectly in there so that might have to come back off and try that again.  We'll see...

Ron, the first fill of an empty brake system can definitely be a minor PITA. Here are a few things to try:

For starters, take one of those thin stretchy supermarket bags, poke your finger through it, then stretch that over the master cylinder and make a containment vessel for the fluid. Loosen the MC clamp bolts and rotate it so the reservoir is the highest point and level.

Next, loosen both bleed screws 360 degrees and push a couple of feet of tubing on them, to a catch jar. I like peanut butter jars with plastic tops. Poke a hole with an awl just big enough to get the tubing through, and a teeny one for a vent. Side note - two wraps of teflon tape on the bleed screws will help a lot when you are really bleeding the last of the air bubbles later.

Next, fill the MC, leave the diaphragm off and put the cap on a little loosely.

Next, don't be so delicate with the lever. Fan it several times fast, let it snap back in between. You're trying to jar the air pocket in the MC and the upper banjo to let fluid displace it. WHAP WHAP WHAP WHAP. Pull the MC cover off, see if the level went down. Add more fluid, repeat. WHAP WHAP WHAP WHAP. Etc. Keep an eye on the peanut butter jar - before long fluid will start to run down the tubing. Bravo, progress.

Once you get the big mass of air out of the MC and the upper banjo, you will feel that it is starting to pump fluid. Good. Now fill the MC to the brim, cap it loosely again without the diaphragm and just leave it for a while, keep an eye on it. Gravity will prime it most of the way from here. Once you get to this stage, take the handle of a screwdriver and TAP TAP TAP along the brake lines, the splitter, and the upper banjo, to dislodge air bubbles in the lines.

When you've got fluid coming out of both bleed screws, close one and do a few bleed cycles of each calipers. Nevermind the MightyVac, just pump, open the bleed screw during the pump stroke, close it just before the end of the pump stroke. Repeat for the other side.

Got most of the air out? Great. Top up the MC just to the upper fill line this time, cap it, and then pull the brake lever about halfway to the grip, strap or tape it there, and leave it overnight. Repeat the bleed the next day, strap it again overnight, and you should be good to go.

The last bit is crucial. You can pump a pint of fluid through bled calipers and still have a spongy lever. Strapping it halfway lets the tiny bubbles that are in the fluid make their way up to the atmosphere (the reservoir) through the return orifice in the MC. Tapping the lines and splitter while the lever is strapped is a good idea too.

Good luck with starting it tonight. Nervy stuff, I remember each one after a big project. Have the fire extinguisher nearby, just to ensure you don't need it :-).

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Re: Senior project for high school - 78 CB750K
« Reply #949 on: April 11, 2015, 07:26:30 pm »

It took us much longer to get the spark plugs back in than we thought it would.  #'s 2 and 3 are a b**ch! 

The best tool I know of to put those center plugs in is that oddball sparkplug tool that Honda tucked in the toolkit. I've got a half-dozen different sparkplug sockets, that works the best. It holds the plug lightly, you can rotate it backwards till you feel the threads align and catch, and you can rotate it with your fingers to insert, then give it that last 1/4 turn with a screwdriver for leverage through the hole to crush the hollow washer.

A light smear of antiseize on plug threads is always a good idea.

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