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Really!?!? because of a girl!?!? another school shooting.
« on: October 24, 2014, 02:11:23 PM »
https://gma.yahoo.com/police-respond-shooting-report-washington-high-school-182500892--abc-news-topstories.html

This is just a few miles north of me.....local news says he faught with another guy over a girl earlier this week.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 02:20:40 PM »
Jeezuz H Christ! WTF is wrong with people? We used to fight over girls too but nobody got shot and killed. What a F'd up situation.  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 05:42:59 PM »
Yeah and if you were like me a clumsy beanpole who synapses didn't fire the way they should you got your lumps and that was it. Not shoot some one and it wasn't because there weren't guns about, hell at that time all you would have to do in Canada was drop cases of 303 ammo and 3/4 of the country would have been armed.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 06:44:05 PM »
Damn right Bill. My dad had a pair of surplus Lee-Enfields that I could help myself to all the time that I was growing up. Because of the scruples he imparted on us, the last thing I thought about when angry was guns. Parenting.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2014, 08:17:23 PM »
another damn shame,first big rifle I had was an ex army 303,made in 1919!they used to cut them down and call them 303"sports"

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2014, 09:18:07 PM »
WTF Man! I turned on 97.3 at work about 11:30 and heard about this. I guess you never can tell what kids (or people) are going to do in this world. And it seems know body really thought he would do such a thing. Just a normal kid going through the growing pains of life. This kind of stuff is just tragic and horrible.  :'( 
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2014, 07:57:43 AM »
KC and Dave I imagine everyone had an Enfield I traded a book of Ogden Nash doggerel for mine but no I didn't shoot any one.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2014, 05:51:24 PM »
Same upbringing here.  We grew up with firearms and the thought of using them against anyone was unthinkable. And we grew up in a city not in the country.  We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 05:22:52 AM »
Oh man, this is horrible. I'm about a mile and a half from Newtown, CT. This whole area wasn't the same after that happened.

Not to spark a debate but I'm just curious if that statement is true, 72 yellow. "We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society." I wonder how different it was to, let's say the 50's in actual numbers of cases of shootings. We have very quick access to news all over the world now. It might just seem like it's getting worse. I remember my great aunt talking about a kid who shot students and then tried burning the place down over a girl.


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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 06:10:31 AM »
We will never make sense or understand these tragedies. The only good that ever comes from them, if you can describe it as that, is moments and gestures of unbridled humanity and support. For instance:

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/10/24/7068529/washington-high-school-forfeits-football-game-league-title-to-support

Perhaps, our society should should make a greater effort at endorsing and extolling these types of actions.

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2014, 08:14:44 AM »
Oh man, this is horrible. I'm about a mile and a half from Newtown, CT. This whole area wasn't the same after that happened.

Not to spark a debate but I'm just curious if that statement is true, 72 yellow. "We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society." I wonder how different it was to, let's say the 50's in actual numbers of cases of shootings. We have very quick access to news all over the world now. It might just seem like it's getting worse. I remember my great aunt talking about a kid who shot students and then tried burning the place down over a girl.


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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 11:51:41 AM »
Not to spark a debate but I'm just curious if that statement is true, 72 yellow. "We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society." I wonder how different it was to, let's say the 50's in actual numbers of cases of shootings. We have very quick access to news all over the world now. It might just seem like it's getting worse. I remember my great aunt talking about a kid who shot students and then tried burning the place down over a girl.

Well, there was the Hatfields and McCoys.  No reason to believe this was an isolated incident.

Humans have always been in competition for resources, both with other animals, as well as other humans.  Strife and conflict are often the result.  History has recorded only some of the events, and erased others.

Human nature hasn't changed since the evolution into the homo sapiens species.  We have ceased to evolve.  However, our knowledge base has evolved to be quite different than what existed at the beginning of Homo sapiens.
Because of communication technology a few have a much louder voice than others.  Only some of this is reasoned, can be difficult to find, and even more difficult to identify.  Rare these days that the facts are presented without bias meant to induce a positional "side", of one extreme or the other.

My generation was raised by those that endured WWII and even WWI.  Shooting was abhorrent to most of that generation, as they experienced first hand the government imposed sacrifice of thousands of personal relations.  Such abhorrence to shooting was passed down to those offspring willing to understand.  But, as most children come to believe, the parents are wrong in most of their decisions.  Also discarded was the abhorrence of harming another in the easiest or extreme way available.

Todays "news shows" favor sensationalism as a way to placate advertisers, as well as, the magnates (and their ideology) that control the media.
Sex sells.  Violence sells.  Outrage sells.  In fact, almost anything that titillates the baser instincts, sells.  And sales is (mostly) what dominates our media.  Note that "sales" can be applied to both product and ideology, while bombarding the minds of others.  Further our populace, which has embraced "social media", is now mimicking what the popular news outlets have already made into a familiar pattern.  One trying to "one up" the other to gain social prominence.

Our schools don't support creative thinking, but rather conformal thinking.  However, one cannot prevent "thinking different" by a curriculum.  Rigid curriculum forces such thinking into the fringe, creating loners, who actively seek alternate solutions to what problems they face.  Which are easily found also in media as the product of Hollywood, and in fictional shows, presented as real life settings.

No doubt many won't agree. ;D
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 12:35:17 PM »
Oh man, this is horrible. I'm about a mile and a half from Newtown, CT. This whole area wasn't the same after that happened.

Not to spark a debate but I'm just curious if that statement is true, 72 yellow. "We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society." I wonder how different it was to, let's say the 50's in actual numbers of cases of shootings. We have very quick access to news all over the world now. It might just seem like it's getting worse. I remember my great aunt talking about a kid who shot students and then tried burning the place down over a girl.


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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 12:38:28 PM »
"If it bleeds, it leads" is how news is presented now.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 10:33:14 AM »
Not to spark a debate but I'm just curious if that statement is true, 72 yellow. "We are witnessing the complete breakdown of society." I wonder how different it was to, let's say the 50's in actual numbers of cases of shootings. We have very quick access to news all over the world now. It might just seem like it's getting worse. I remember my great aunt talking about a kid who shot students and then tried burning the place down over a girl.

Well, there was the Hatfields and McCoys.  No reason to believe this was an isolated incident.

Humans have always been in competition for resources, both with other animals, as well as other humans.  Strife and conflict are often the result.  History has recorded only some of the events, and erased others.

Human nature hasn't changed since the evolution into the homo sapiens species.  We have ceased to evolve.  However, our knowledge base has evolved to be quite different than what existed at the beginning of Homo sapiens.
Because of communication technology a few have a much louder voice than others.  Only some of this is reasoned, can be difficult to find, and even more difficult to identify.  Rare these days that the facts are presented without bias meant to induce a positional "side", of one extreme or the other.

My generation was raised by those that endured WWII and even WWI.  Shooting was abhorrent to most of that generation, as they experienced first hand the government imposed sacrifice of thousands of personal relations.  Such abhorrence to shooting was passed down to those offspring willing to understand.  But, as most children come to believe, the parents are wrong in most of their decisions.  Also discarded was the abhorrence of harming another in the easiest or extreme way available.

Todays "news shows" favor sensationalism as a way to placate advertisers, as well as, the magnates (and their ideology) that control the media.
Sex sells.  Violence sells.  Outrage sells.  In fact, almost anything that titillates the baser instincts, sells.  And sales is (mostly) what dominates our media.  Note that "sales" can be applied to both product and ideology, while bombarding the minds of others.  Further our populace, which has embraced "social media", is now mimicking what the popular news outlets have already made into a familiar pattern.  One trying to "one up" the other to gain social prominence.

Our schools don't support creative thinking, but rather conformal thinking.  However, one cannot prevent "thinking different" by a curriculum.  Rigid curriculum forces such thinking into the fringe, creating loners, who actively seek alternate solutions to what problems they face.  Which are easily found also in media as the product of Hollywood, and in fictional shows, presented as real life settings.

No doubt many won't agree. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 11:11:38 AM »
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Todays "news shows" favor sensationalism as a way to placate advertisers, as well as, the magnates (and their ideology) that control the media.
Sex sells.  Violence sells.  Outrage sells.  In fact, almost anything that titillates the baser instincts, sells.  And sales is (mostly) what dominates our media.  Note that "sales" can be applied to both product and ideology, while bombarding the minds of others.  Further our populace, which has embraced "social media", is now mimicking what the popular news outlets have already made into a familiar pattern.  One trying to "one up" the other to gain social prominence.

Couldn't agree more. They all do it, but CNN and Wolf Blather take the cake. Their "coverage" of the Malaysian airliner lost over the Indian Ocean was appalling in my opinion and they are doing the same thing with Ebola. In the U.S. some 30,000 people die from firearm incidents annually and 10-11,000 of them are homicides where the outrage of this?? Yet they stoke the fires dealing over three cases of imported Ebola.  >:(
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 12:40:33 PM »
wait till they turn into zombies the media will want to interview one of them.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 01:34:03 PM »

wait till they turn into zombies the media will want to interview one of them.

Then wait for the reality show.


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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 02:11:02 PM »
Nobody will argue that there's always been violence. Have school kids always been as willing to kill as they seem to be now, though? It doesn't seem like it to me.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 06:50:22 PM »
Nobody will argue that there's always been violence. Have school kids always been as willing to kill as they seem to be now, though? It doesn't seem like it to me.
I grew up next to Detroit.  In the 50's and 60's the fights were with fists and occasional knives.  Drive-by shootings and school shootings were unheard of.  If a girl didn't want anything to do with you, you just moved on. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
That's the impression I have. If young people are doing their reasoning with a gun, Then we are indeed witnessing the breakdown of society.Their children will surely be even less susceptible to reason, and they will have children.
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2014, 04:24:37 AM »
Yes it used to be if there was bad feelings get stuck into it with fists, knives were not acceptable nor boots, guns were unheard off and the bit about destroy your opponent was definitely not classy and not done and I think that reflected the period too many people had seen what had happened in Europe and didn't want it repeated here. I think that the "if it bleeds it leads" syndrome has contributed to the race to the bottom, I will be dead I hope before we get to that point.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2014, 07:38:16 AM »
I would argue it probably has been there, it just did not get 24/7 attention of the 24 hour news cycle that this modern age has.
If you look at the numbers violent crime has gone down over recent years since the 90's.
The news wants to scare and sensationalize everything so it seems like these events are happening all the time.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2014, 08:39:48 AM »
Once again, my point isn't at all about overall violent crime rates; I'm curious about whether or not school aged kids have always been this violent.
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2014, 09:20:12 AM »
Actually, the first one was in Pennsylvania in 1764.  July 26, 1764, where four men entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.

I would like to see the transcript of this trial:

November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky, The student Matthew Ward bought a pistol in the morning, went to school and killed the schoolmaster Mr. Butler, as revenge for what Ward thought was excessive punishment of his brother the day before. Ward was acquitted.
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