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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – it begins, OIL LEAKS!!!
« Reply #250 on: September 11, 2016, 08:08:51 PM »
Another quick question for you Sam...

Did you find the cable length good with the Motion Pro kit that you used - assuming that you didn't specify custom lengths with the kit?  Motion Pro lists them as 32.3", and I just want to make sure there's no length issues.  Thanks!

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – it begins, OIL LEAKS!!!
« Reply #251 on: September 12, 2016, 08:43:57 AM »
Another quick question for you Sam...

Did you find the cable length good with the Motion Pro kit that you used - assuming that you didn't specify custom lengths with the kit?  Motion Pro lists them as 32.3", and I just want to make sure there's no length issues.  Thanks!

-tulsah

Tulsah,

Are you referring to the throttle kit or my clutch cable kit?  I had no trouble at all with either of them.  They are not custom lengths.  My Motion Pro throttle kit is works very well with my setup out of the box.  For the clutch cable, MP offers shorter cables for people who run clip-ons.  It worked out great as well.

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – it begins, OIL LEAKS!!!
« Reply #252 on: September 12, 2016, 08:58:43 AM »
Another quick question for you Sam...

Did you find the cable length good with the Motion Pro kit that you used - assuming that you didn't specify custom lengths with the kit?  Motion Pro lists them as 32.3", and I just want to make sure there's no length issues.  Thanks!

-tulsah

Tulsah,

Are you referring to the throttle kit or my clutch cable kit?  I had no trouble at all with either of them.  They are not custom lengths.  My Motion Pro throttle kit is works very well with my setup out of the box.  For the clutch cable, MP offers shorter cables for people who run clip-ons.  It worked out great as well.

Sam

Thanks Sam, this is exactly what I needed to know.  I was hoping to avoid having to order custom throttle cable lengths for running clip-ons with the 750.  It sounds like the kit you used is a good option.  Thanks again!

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #253 on: September 15, 2016, 04:06:18 PM »
Finally, Some Good News!

I am finally at the point where I can give a detailed update about my bike.  I posted that I was having oil leaks and then I had the issue of my battery burning up.  A lot of you have been sending me messages about the status of my bike and after last weekend, I am finally at a point where I can give a decent explanation of what’s been going on with my bike. 

I have to warn you ahead of time, this will be a very long post because I have a lot of things to cover.  If you are not interested in reading through it, just know that the bike is amazing!  It turned out a lot better than I could have imagine.  I’ve been riding it over the past few days and I can’t stay off of it.  I get so many looks; head nods, and questions whenever I take this bike out.  Trust me, the pictures that I have posted do not do this bike justice.  It is a gorgeous bike and I put a lot of time and thought into it.  Finally, I’m very happy with the way it turned out.

For those of you who wish to read on, here is what’s been going on with this bike.  To be honest, it has been a really frustrating journey to get this bike running.  And I’m not talking about the issues I ran into building it; I’m talking about what came afterwards.  There were even a few times that I went into the garage and said “F@#K IT, ” I’m selling this thing!  There were times where I covered it up and didn’t look at this bike for weeks.  A lot of problems that I have had with this bike have been rookie (and stupid) mistakes on my part.  A lot of the other problems resulted in overbuilding.  What I mean by this is when I started out; I wanted a bike that was very reliable and something that I could squeeze every bit of performance out of it.  I ended up spending a lot of money on parts and mods that I truly didn’t need, and parts that actually caused more problems then they were worth.  I will cover every issue that I faced.

Oil Leaks

My bike has been sitting in the garage for over a week without a single drop of oil on the ground and I’m very happy about that.

Cylinder head leak

First, I had a sheen of oil leaking from somewhere around my cylinder head and block.  For a while I couldn’t figure it out.  It took me reading BrandEn’s “Leak free top end” thread (found here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,107040.0.html).   As soon as I read it, I realized what my main problem was.  I checked the cylinder head twice and all of my pucks were sealed and there was no oil leaking around that area.  The oil was coming from in between the mating surfaces.  My heads and block were decked when I had all of my engine work performed.  It didn’t dawn on me that the alignment dowel pins were now too long and would not allow everything to seal properly.  After I cut them down and put my engine back together, the oil leak disappeared.

The next oil leak appeared from the main crankshaft bolts at the bottom of the engine.  Oil was leaking out of six different bolts.  Since I originally finished my bike last October, I have had to pull my engine out of my bike three different times (I’ll explain the reasons later).  For this issue, I really cannot explain the cause of it, but it caused me a major headache.  When I first assembled my engine, I checked the bearing clearances and everything mated perfectly.  Even though I had put hondabond around the crankshaft bearings, oil was still leaking down the studs.  I had purchased this case off of ebay, so I don’t really know the history, but after cracking the cases open twice, I started to think that there was something odd with the case.  The third time I pulled the engine, I decided to buy another case and start over.  I found a completely unassembled crankcase from a guy who was parting out is CB750F.  I convinced him to sell me the empty crankcase.  This time after I assembled the engine and put my bike back together, those leaks disappeared as well.  This leads me to assume that there was an issue with my previous crankcase.

Oil Cooler

For those of you who don’t remember, I fit an oil cooler from a CB900F with a Cycle X spin-on oil filter adapter.  This thing leaked from around every fitting.  Here is the picture of it:







I took it apart twice and replaced the lines, but it continued to leak from different fittings.  After, I got all the lines fixed, the actual radiator started to leak!  At first, I got fed up with it and took the cooler off.  But, I really didn’t like the idea of not running an oil cooler on this bike.  In San Diego, we ride all year-round and this bike gets hot sitting in traffic.  So I decided to look for another option.

I ended buying a new Setrab Oil Cooler with new lines and compression fittings – the same type that I used for my oil tank setup.  For the oil filter adapter, I decided to go with one from Randdakk.  I really liked the idea of the bigger fittings and hoses over the Cycle X version and the ability to flow more oil through the cooler.  But, using it forced me to have to remove my automatic thermostat (which I wasn’t happy about it).  Here is the setup:





In the end, this setup didn’t really work out for me, and after changing oil filters twice, it was almost impossible to remove the oil filter without a special oil filter wrench that I had to buy.  Nothing against Randdak’s adapter, but I feel like Cycle X’s design is a lot better.  So I ended up going back to Cycle X’s adapter and a new set of lines and fitting.  This issue is fixed as well.

Strange Oil On My Pipes

During this process, I also noticed that this mystery oil sheen was showing up on the front side of my exhaust pipes.  At first I thought that it was coming from my original oil cooler, but after I removed it, the oil kept showing up.  After a lot of head-scratching, I came to the conclusion that I had a busted fork seal on my right fork.  This may have happened when I put my bike on the trailer and I chained it down too tight.  When I would take my bike out for test-rides, the wind would blow the leaking fork oil back onto my pipes and the engine.  After I got the fork seals replaced, this issue disappeared as well.

Transmission Cover Leak

This issue was totally rookie mistake on my part.  I replaced the gasket twice with two different types of gaskets, including Cycle X’s no leak gasket.  In the end, the oil was actually leaking from around the shifter fork.  As many times as I have taken this cover off, it never dawned on me that I had never replaced the seal around the shifter fork.  So oil was actually coming from it and flowing down to the bottom of the engine.  All along, I had figured that I was not getting a good seal around the bottom of the cover.  I even thought that the cover was warped.  After I replaced the seal, the leak went away.

Now, all my oil leaks are gone!
« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 05:04:00 AM by Bigsam302 »
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #254 on: September 15, 2016, 04:07:38 PM »
Engine Problems

Valve Cover and Cam Problems

I ordered a modified valve cover that is supposed to stabilize the cam towers.  I can’t comment on whether or not they actually work, but I do know that I had a problem with it seating properly.  Don mentioned the same issue to me with his build.  After another problem that developed, I decided that it wasn’t worth the trouble and went with a regular cover.



Next, I made a very expensive mistake.  After I reassembled my engine and fixed the cylinder head leak, I ended up causing a lot of damage.  I bought a manual cam chain tensioner and I am now convinced that it was not worth it! 

First let me back up.  After I fixed my cylinder head leak, I decided to move on to tuning my bike.  When I would take it out for a test ride, my bike had all the symptoms of a bike that was running very lean.  It was backfiring, the bike ran like crap until it heated up, and it had a hanging idle.  I took my carbs off and went up a size for my pilot jets.  These Mikunis are a little tricky to get the throttle cable off.  At first I had to adjust the idle screw all the way out in order to remove the pull cable.  After I changed my jets, I reinstalled my carbs and cranked my bike.  Unfortunately, I forgot to close the idle screw and when I hit the starter, the engine revved straight to about 8000 RPMs before I could kill the engine.  After I adjusted idle screw, I attempted to start the bike again and I could hear the starter clicking, but the engine was not moving. 

My immediate thoughts were that I had broking something in my engine – maybe my pistons and the engine had seized.  I tried moving the crank with the timing nut and after attempted to rotate the crank back and forth, I heard something crack.  Never a good sign!  I pulled my valve cover and this is what I saw:





I don’t know if you can tell from the picture, but there is a groove cut into the top of my valve cover from the cam chain.  This leads back to my manual cam chain tensioner.  With the regular cam chain tensioner, you are supposed to set it, run the engine to let the chain stretch into place, and readjust it.  I tried doing this with the manual cam chain tensioner.  Remember, this is not spring loaded so you have to adjust it by feel.  I unscrewed the bolt and then screwed it back in until what I thought was the proper tension.  See any problem with this?  I suspect that I didn’t tighten the tensioner enough and when I tried to crank the bike and the RPMs shot up, I think that it snatched the cam chain.  The cam chain cut into the top of the valve cover and got stuck (basically grinded) in place.  That’s why the engine wouldn’t turn over when I tried to restart it.





If you look at the picture of my camshaft, you will notice that one of sprocket flanges is broken.  This is the crack that I heard in my engine.  To make things worse, the cam chain was also damaged and was almost pulled apart.  So now I’m looking at a new cam chain, a new camshaft and a new valve cover.  This is why I decided to ditch my valve cover and stick with an unmodified cover.  Plus, the engine had to come out and I had to split to cases in order to install the new cam chain.  I also wanted to make sure that I got all of the metal shavings out of the case.  To add insult to injury, I was told that it is a good idea to replace the piston rings (for the second time) and all new gas top end gaskets.



I ended up ditching the manual cam chain tensioner and going back to the OEM version.  I replaced the spring, cleaned it up and had it powder coated.  At first I had decided to go back to the OEM cam sprocket, but after installing it, I found it very difficult to line up the cam shaft notches and the timing marks.  In this case, the adjustable sprocket was the best option.



Broken Cylinder Sleeves

After a few months, I had calmed down and decided to re-attack my build.  With new parts, freshly painted cylinder block and head (I also bought a honing tool and went over the cylinder sleeves again), I went to install the cylinder block.  I had used the same pair of cheap piston ring compressors that I had had success with in the past, this time it ended horribly.  Somehow the compressors got caught between the wood blocks and the engine block got caught on the lower piston ring.  After gently tapping the block into place, I couldn’t get it to slip down.  So I decided to use a little more force.  Not the smartest thing to do and I ended up splitting the lower cylinder sleeve, bending the rings, and breaking two rings.  I was not happy.  I had to stop and send my block back to Cycle X for them to install new sleeves.  After a new set of rings, removing the engine again (to verify that I didn’t have anything in the case), and a newly painted block, I successfully installed my block and assembled the rest of my engine.





I forgot to mention, after I replaced the jets in my carbs, I decided to ditch my velocity stacks and use K&N filters instead.  These two things turned my bike into a better performing machine right away.

Oil Pump Rebuild

I’ve always been concerned with my oil pump because it one the one thing that I didn’t touch during my rebuild.  I was worried about the pressure it was producing.  While the bike was running, the oil pressure would drop to around 5 PSI after the oil got hot and while at idle.  As I revved the engine, the oil pressure would rise and fall with the RPMs.  The oil pressure light never came on.





So I purchased a used pump off of ebay and a rebuild kit that was “supposed” to be designed to increase the pressure.  The springs were a lot stiffer than the OEM springs.  I reassembled the pump without any issues, primed it, and installed it.  This time when I assembled the engine and went for a test ride, there was smoke coming from the valve cover breather.  Something was wrong.  I looked in the oil tank and it was empty.  So like most people, I put more oil in it.  After doing some more riding, I noticed that it was smoking more, oil was now coming out of the valve cover breather, and oil was not returning to the oil tank.  I realized that I had a very bad case of wet-sumping and it had too much oil in the engine.

At this point, this is when my battery burned up and I was stranded on the side of the road.





Pulling the engine again

At this point I was really getting tired of my exhaust pipes.  Every time I would stop at a stoplight, my bike would smoke.  I mean, it was embarrassing!  At this point, I had fixed all the oil leaks, but because I had so many leaks and had lost so much oil, that my exhaust wrap had absorbed a lot of oil.  No matter how much I let the engine run, that oil would not burn off.  So I had to make a decision – remove the wrap and replace it, or buy a new exhaust system.  I’ll get back to this later.

Clutch Problems

Next, I decided to pull my oil pump and figure out what the problem was.  My previous oil pump worked just fine, with the exception of the pressure.  When I dropped the oil pan, to my horror, there was a long piece of metal that was bent and sitting in the bottom of the pan.  Where did it come from?

Another nagging issue had been with my clutch.  I’ve taken this thing apart at least 15 times, and I’m not exaggerating.  I had race-cut gears, I adjusted it, bought new plates, removed plates, swapped clutch assemblies, and I could not get my clutch to function properly.  It was extremely difficult to fix.  Eventually, I got to the bottom of this mystery.  That piece of metal ended up being the retaining clip that goes on the big drive bearing that you have to line up when assembling the crankcase.  When I was putting my case back together, I had a hard time getting it to line up.  As I was pulling and pushing on the clutch assembly to get the case to set properly, the clip was knocked out of place and the clutch was out of position.  Actually the clutch basket was sticking out a little further than it was supposed to.  This is why it would never really fully disengage my clutch and why it was so difficult to get it to shift into gears.  So for the third time, I had to pull the engine again.  Not to mention, new piston rings, and gaskets.  At this point, I decided to replace my crankcase with a new one (as I mentioned earlier).

To fix my clutch, I decided to set it up like the OEM clutch, use high performance clutch springs.  I also performed Hondaman’s clutch mod.  I bought new OEM plates.  I bought a brand new double steel plate and a new center clutch carrier from CMSNL.  After installing my clutch this time, everything works like it’s brand new.  It shifts silky smooth and it even shifts into neutral with no problem when I am at a stoplight.  No rocking or going into neutral before I come to a complete stop.  I’m very happy about this.

Solved The Oil Pump Problem

As I mentioned before, I rebuilt an oil pump that I had purchased on Ebay, and since that caused my oil problems, I decided to use my original oil pump.  I knew that it was already working.  I took my oil pump apart, cleaned it, and replaced all the gaskets.  After I reinstalled it, everything worked like it was supposed to, and my oil pressure increased. The springs in that kit that I bought off of Ebay were the problem.

Exhaust

I mentioned the issued that I was having with my exhaust pipes and all the oil that my pipe wrap absorbed, but there was another issue.  My MAC 4 into 2 exhaust system, which I loved, had a crappy fitment issue.   No matter what I did, I could not get them to seal properly. Every time that I had to disassemble my engine, I would notice that the front of my cylinder head was covered in black exhaust soot.  This is why I decided to replace my exhaust system.


Freshly painted exhaust flanges







I decided to go with a MAC 4 into 1 exhaust system.  I got this system because of the way it is installed.   With the flanges, it is a lot easier to get a great seal.  Plus the system is black, so I don’t have to wrap it again.  Also, the cone is massive.  It looks amazing and it sounds mean as hell.  On top of that, the bike feels even stronger and I don’t have any more exhaust leaks!

Electrical Issues

After my battery burned up, I replaced my antigravity battery with a regular battery, hooked up a digital voltmeter and took my bike out for a test ride.  One issue that I’ve been having with my bike is that my horns kept breaking.  I replaced my horns 3 different times.  This last time I bought a more expensive horn.  While the bike was running, my horn would randomly beep.  It had gotten to the point where I ended up unplugging it because it was so annoying. 

After I was stranded on the side of the road, I started to investigate my electrical system.  I read back through my M-unit manual and made an amazing discovery.  I can’t believe that I had missed it!  The manual says that if the M-unit starts receiving excessive voltage, it will beep the horn to warn you.  If it is not corrected, it will blow or damage a piece of equipment.  This happened to be my headlight.  It blew my headlight out twice. 

Before I had figured this out, I took my bike out for another test in order to monitor what the reg/rec and the charging system was doing.  The volts would stay around 13 volts and the horn would beep.  After a few miles, the horn stopped, the front headlight blew out, and the volts shot up to 18 volts.  This meant that I had a reg/rec problem.  The Rick’s model that I have is designed to limit the max voltage to 14.1.  After a few calls to Rick’s Motorsports, they said that my rec/reg was faulty.  Since I decided to replace my rec/reg, I also decided to replace my handlebar switches with m-switches.  I was not happy with the aftermarket controls that I had originally installed.  Plus, I was a little worried about the way I had to wire the headlight up just to get it to work.

I rewired my bike.  The Motogadget switches are so simple and so amazing!  I wish that I had listened to Cal and went this route in the first place.  It would have saved me a big headache.  I will never use another type of controls.  So far, everything works flawlessly and I am very happy with the setup.




« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 05:26:55 AM by Bigsam302 »
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #255 on: September 15, 2016, 04:08:19 PM »
Final Thoughts

Granted, this build has been a real test of my patience, but I am very glad that I stuck it out.  In the end, this bike is amazing and it runs like a champ.  For being such an old bike, it accelerates like crazy.  It’s really fast!  The handling is amazing.  It dives into corners very well.  It is so fun to ride!  So far she has been able to handle everything that I can throw at her.  Since I live in San Diego, and the high freeway speeds, this bike spends a lot of time above 80 MPH, where it handles this speed with ease.  It is very stable.  I have yet to go over the ton, but I will get there soon!  I’ve gotten it to a little over 90, but it is really difficult to do so.  I say this, not because of my bike, but because of my gear.  I have a vintage Bell helmet and it is not very aerodynamic.  When I get up to around 70 MPH, it is very uncomfortable.  There is no windscreen on my bike, so it feels like the wind is trying to pull my head off.  Plus the wind noise is almost unbearable.  I definitely have to invest in some ear plugs.  I intend on going out with my sportbike helmet and see if I can push her up over the ton!

If I had to do it all over again, I think that I would avoid putting the oil tank in the gas tank.  It looks really cool, but it really limits the amount of gas I can carry.  On the other hand, I love how clean the middle of my bike looks.  Right now my bike will carry a little over 2 gallons and I have to always pay close attention to my trip counter.  I can normally go about 65 miles before I have to switch to the reserve.  I think that if I wasn’t so heavy on the throttle, I could probably squeeze a few more miles out of her.  On the other hand, it’s not that bad, and definitely something I can live with.  My Ducati holds 2.6 gallons and my gas light normally comes on around 80 miles.  Again, if I was a little lighter on the throttle, I could probably get better gas mileage.

Things To Do

1) Bleed the front brakes -
    - This is an easy thing to fix.  My front brakes work well, but the handle is not as stiff as I would like.  I think that I may have a little air in my lines.

2) Finish tuning –
    - The bike runs great, but I do have to make some minor adjustments to my air mixture screws.  She has a really rough idle.  I have her idling around 1100 RPMs.  When I roll to a stop, she sounds like she is about the die, but then she settles down again at 1100 RPM.  Again, this should be an easy fix!  I think changing my jets, switching to pod air filters, and the new exhaust made a huge difference.

3) Change to synthetic oil –
    - Nothing major.  After I get to about 250 miles, I’m going to switch to a synthetic oil blend.

4) Fix my tachometer –
    - This issue I am a little confused about and maybe someone can provide me some insight.  The tach works fine and it is very close to matching the digital tach on my Motogadget speedo.  When I’m under 5500 RPM, the tach is pretty stable.  As I mentioned before, my bike accelerates like crazy.  And as soon as I open her up, it’s like the tach can’t keep up with how fast the engine is spinning.  It goes crazy and bounces around.  It can be very distracting.  So I end up glancing down at the mini digital tach line in my speedo.  I like to run my bikes up to the red line.  Although my speedo has built in shift lights that warn you if you are at a preset RPM range, and my ignition is supposed to have a rev limiter, it makes me a little nervous to see my analog tach bouncing around like that.  Plus, it’s a lot easier to read. 
    -  I do have another working tach in my garage.  I’m going to swap out the internals and see if that solves the problem.  If not, I may have to break down and get the full Motogadget tach/speedo.  I really don’t want to, because I really like the custom gauge that I built.
   -  I would like some feedback from some other members.  Do you think that my tach is bad?  Is this common?

5) Change Seat and grips –
    -  I am starting to think that the brown leather seat and grips are clashing with the rest of the scheme of my bike.  Meaning, I wanted a vintage look, but with the tank and forks, it looks more like a restomod.  Most people don’t even realize it is a Honda.  I’ve had a few people even ask me if it was a Triumph.   Plus the grips that I made are very uncomfortable after riding awhile.  They are just leather strips wrapped around the bar.  There is no cushion or shock absorption.  So I’m going to go with some black grips and get the same guy to redo my seat in black leather.

6) Repaint –
    -  The company that painted my bike did a crappy job.  It looks great, but as soon as you start looking at it in the sun and at different angles, you can see a lot of flaws.  Normally, it’s not a big deal, but for the amount of money that I paid for it, they could have done a way better job.
    -  Plus, when I had my battery incident, all the heat damaged my paint around the tail section.  It’s not bad, but when you see it in the sun, and at different angles, it looks like little cracks in it.  Even though it feels smooth, it looks kind of like there are a bunch of veins under the paint.  It looks weird.
    - Now that the bike is done, I’m starting to think that the paint job is a little too dark for the bike.  I love the color, but because everything else is black (wheels, forks, etc.), I think that it should have gone with a lighter color.  Maybe gray or silver?  But I’m still thinking about it.  What I don’t like is the black racing stripes.  The painter talked me into it and now that it’s done, I really don’t like it.  So I will definitely have it repainted.

7)  Replace the battery –
    -  I know that I had a bad experience with my anti-gravity battery, but now that I really understand what went wrong with my electrical system, and now that I have completely rewired my bike, I think that I’m going to give it another shot.

And this is all for now!







« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 05:29:25 AM by Bigsam302 »
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #256 on: September 15, 2016, 05:57:02 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS!

Hoping you put it on a dyno. Finishing tuning touches and a really nice printout.
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #257 on: September 15, 2016, 06:02:02 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS!

Hoping you put it on a dyno. Finishing tuning touches and a really nice printout.

Thanks Jerry!  I hope to get it on a dyno as soon as I can find a good local shop.
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« Reply #258 on: September 16, 2016, 04:22:10 AM »
Dang, Sam, next time just buy a bike instead of building 4 of them for the same price.  ;D

All of you picture links are broken in my browser?

Did you test the tach cable? Chuck the cam cover end into a drill and spin it to see if the problem repeats. It may be the tach gear, it may be the tach. Does your model use the damping fluid, or is that only on the speedos? I can't recall which gauge members have rebuilt and refilled the fluid to resolve the shaky, erratic needle.

I can't see the paint scheme, but perhaps an outline stripe between the black and blue to separate them will solve the issue? You could test this with some thin pinstripe tape as an experiment. Use some white, try some silver, some grey... See if a particular color makes you happier. Or repaint.
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #259 on: September 16, 2016, 05:35:42 AM »
Dang, Sam, next time just buy a bike instead of building 4 of them for the same price.  ;D

All of you picture links are broken in my browser?

Did you test the tach cable? Chuck the cam cover end into a drill and spin it to see if the problem repeats. It may be the tach gear, it may be the tach. Does your model use the damping fluid, or is that only on the speedos? I can't recall which gauge members have rebuilt and refilled the fluid to resolve the shaky, erratic needle.

I can't see the paint scheme, but perhaps an outline stripe between the black and blue to separate them will solve the issue? You could test this with some thin pinstripe tape as an experiment. Use some white, try some silver, some grey... See if a particular color makes you happier. Or repaint.

Cal,

Thanks for the note about the pictures.  I don't know why there were not showing up.  Can you see the pictures now?

That's a great idea.  I hadn't checked the tach cable.  It's new, but because of the length it doesn't go straight to my valve cover.  It kind of snakes around in a "S" pattern.

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #260 on: September 16, 2016, 06:01:28 AM »
Pics fixed. Thanks!
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #261 on: September 16, 2016, 06:11:44 AM »
Sam, I still love the color of your bike. I might change the 2 thin stripes to a single wide stripe though. Just fill the center blue with the black, then a hairline outline of silver/grey or white to set if off against the blue would be my choice. And I'm still a fan of the brown seat because it looks more unique and rich than a typical black on blue. Just my opinion.
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #262 on: September 16, 2016, 06:32:39 AM »
Holy crap, Sam! Talk about shakedown woes. I can relate to the frustration and putting a cover over it for a few weeks.  I felt the same way about my old 750 at times. 

I had the same issues with my Cycle X valve cover.  I even had it decked and it still leaked.  After ditching it for a stock cover, no leak.  I didn't return it to Cycle X since I had coated it and didn't want possible hassles of "you altered it." 

I have the same Setrab/Cycle X set up slated for my 550/650 motor.  Thanks for being the tester!

The manual cam chain tensioner, cam and cam chain chewing incident just plain SUCK.  I am glad I decided against the manual tensioner, too.

The bike looks like it is on a great path now. 

I agree with Cal about the paint.  It's the stripes.  I would also opt for a single, with a pin in silver or some lighter highlight color to highlight the color separation.  Maybe silver leaf.
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #263 on: September 16, 2016, 06:33:31 AM »
Looking at this bike (Helen) again reinforces why it was BOTM.  It's a beauty, Sam.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #264 on: September 16, 2016, 06:36:13 AM »
Hey BTW, Sam, who/why are you being told you need new rings every time? You don't have enough miles on the motor in between fixes to make a difference?????
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #265 on: September 16, 2016, 12:14:10 PM »
Sam, I still love the color of your bike. I might change the 2 thin stripes to a single wide stripe though. Just fill the center blue with the black, then a hairline outline of silver/grey or white to set if off against the blue would be my choice. And I'm still a fan of the brown seat because it looks more unique and rich than a typical black on blue. Just my opinion.

Thanks Cal,  I am going to agree with you and Don.  I think that it is the stripes that are driving me crazy.  I think that I'm going to get them redone with a single center stripe and to pinstripes on the side.  And I think that I will stick with the brown leather.  It does look really good!

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #266 on: September 16, 2016, 12:33:55 PM »
Hey BTW, Sam, who/why are you being told you need new rings every time? You don't have enough miles on the motor in between fixes to make a difference?????

Cal,

Judging by your question, I'm assuming that it was a huge mistake replacing them as much as I did?  ???

I was told this by an old Honda mechanic when I went to a local shop to pick up some OEM parts.  At the time, his advice sounded pretty sound.  I told him about my rebuild and the first thing he said was - the minute you pull that head off, replace everything (gaskets, and piston rings if you remove the block too).  He went into this whole speech about how crucial the break in period was.  And if you have to take the block off, replace all the rings, and get a honing tool and do a very light hone to clean the cylinder and get a very nice cross pattern.  He said that interrupting the rings from fulling seating will cause problems down the road.  Plus they are real fragile and can easily be damaged just by removing them from the block.  And if I had to replace one set of rings, then I should do all of them at the same time so you can break everything in evenly.  At the time, this sounded like something I should do.  At no time did I tell him about my engine mods, so he could have very well been trying to sell me more parts.  I just wanted to be better safe than sorry.  Do you think his advice was just b.s.?

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #267 on: September 16, 2016, 01:03:41 PM »
I guess his advice falls into the category of "personal experience" or "personal preference". I won't say his advice was wrong, because there's no imperial proof he's wrong. But I don't think it was necessary either.

It's true break-in period is pretty important, and as you found out, rings are fragile. But you can re-use rings especially if they return to the same cylinder. The wear between the piston and cylinder is somewhat "mated" and without significant mileage or wear, I doubt seriously there was any reason required.

I was more curious if it was based upon the piston manufacturer or some other source with respect to the nature of the rings/pistons you used. Only thing important is that you're up and running on a gorgeous bike!
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #268 on: September 16, 2016, 07:40:11 PM »
I guess his advice falls into the category of "personal experience" or "personal preference". I won't say his advice was wrong, because there's no imperial proof he's wrong. But I don't think it was necessary either.

It's true break-in period is pretty important, and as you found out, rings are fragile. But you can re-use rings especially if they return to the same cylinder. The wear between the piston and cylinder is somewhat "mated" and without significant mileage or wear, I doubt seriously there was any reason required.

I was more curious if it was based upon the piston manufacturer or some other source with respect to the nature of the rings/pistons you used. Only thing important is that you're up and running on a gorgeous bike!

No it was not based on Wiseco's direction.  I couldn't find anything about it on their website.  I just figured that I would caution on the safe side.
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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #269 on: September 16, 2016, 08:31:57 PM »
Hey Sam,

Curious how you went about securing your tail section to the frame.  Details are much appreciated.  BTW, the bike is looking fantastic!  Thanks.

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« Reply #270 on: September 18, 2016, 07:53:32 AM »
Hey Sam,

Curious how you went about securing your tail section to the frame.  Details are much appreciated.  BTW, the bike is looking fantastic!  Thanks.

-tulsah

Tulsah,

Thank you very much.  My tail section was made by Benjie's CR.  He designed it to slide and lock into place in the front and then the rear is held into place with one bolt.

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Re: Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #271 on: March 15, 2017, 05:06:42 PM »
WOW — this is one detailed thread...bookmarking for later. Great work and thanks
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Re: Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #272 on: March 15, 2017, 05:48:09 PM »
WOW — this is one detailed thread...bookmarking for later. Great work and thanks
Thank you, I appreciate it!

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Re: Bigsam302's 76 CB750F (915cc): Project Helen – Running Report!
« Reply #273 on: March 15, 2017, 06:14:05 PM »
wow that is some dedication to a bike!bill
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Congratulations, Bigsam302!!!

Sam has been invited to show his CB750F "Helen" at the Inaugural Mission Built Motorcycle Show September 17, 2017

Sam won BOTM for November 2015 with this stunner.  Luckily, he will be back home (from deployment) in time for the show!
For those in the SoCal area, this looks like a cool event.

Bigsam302's 1976 CB750F Restomod Canyon Carver Helen
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Braced frame (front and rear cross-members), hoop and custom electronics pan
New generation Big Piston Forks with Brembo monoblock calipers (from Suzuki GSXR and rebuilt by RG3)
915cc big bore kit, ported head, cam, pork chop crank, Carrillo rods and Mikuni RS34 powered
Blue-Gray painted Benjie's Tank with hidden oil tank
Motogadget electronics including Mini-motoscope gauge mounted into stock analog tachometer
Custom rear brake carrier with Brembo caliper (from Ducati Monster)
Custom rearsets and linkage
Sun Rims with Avon Roadrider tires






Video of start up

1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold