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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2015, 09:06:03 AM »
I'm super impressed with your progress. You've accomplished things that I was mulling over on my own project (ie. rear sets mounts). Keep it up. Its really turning out well. 
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2015, 10:11:15 AM »
I'm super impressed with your progress. You've accomplished things that I was mulling over on my own project (ie. rear sets mounts). Keep it up. Its really turning out well.

Thanks! I love to hear feedback, not many responses in the thread!

I feel like I keep doing something once, learning how to do it, scrapping the first version and doing a good job of it the second time. Costly but good results!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2015, 10:51:47 AM »
That's called learning and experience. Comes free with motorcycle projects  ;)
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2015, 11:46:18 AM »
Free!? Hahha. I dont know about that!

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2015, 03:23:43 PM »
I think you will find that more people are watching thsn yoh realise. I too sometimes think that people aren't watching but some just watch. I have been watching and although no comments I do enjoy ghis build. 
Maybe it would be good if the forum could let us know how many people are actually getting notified of updates.

Keep up the great work.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2015, 03:43:01 PM »
I'm not sure if even the moderators track who is subscribed to a particular thread.  I know as a moderator on the BOTM forum, I cannot see that information for those threads.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2015, 04:40:22 PM »
I love the way the bike turned out...especially the black powder coating on the tank.  That's pretty hot!
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2015, 05:13:10 PM »
I like the line of the headlight down to the tank.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2015, 07:00:14 PM »
Regarding your bracket and the too short pivot bolt, can you scallop the backside of the bracket on both sides where it passes through the bracket to allow the nut to grab a couple of more threads. Or scallop the front if moving the bracket closer to the frame causes other problems?
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2015, 12:32:33 AM »
excellent! thx for the choke info ;)
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2015, 02:13:49 AM »
Interested to see your progress as I am currently restoring a K8 and doing a mild CR conversion on an F1.

The F1 presents extra consideration for rear sets with rear disc, wish I had access to machining facilities.

You are always learning with these projects, I have been fixing bikes for 45 years and still learn.

Saw your bit on the carbs, it is not unusual to find you have to go back and redo something as its easy to be too optimistic  ;D

Tenacity is the key :P

 
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2015, 08:11:59 AM »
Happy Monday guys,

Over the weekend I officially finished electrical, which is beyond exciting for me as it was my least favorite part of the build and everything actually works properly! I didn't like the bracket that the gauge came with so I decided to fab up my own, which is now painted black:



Its a little rough due to the lack of all tooling associated with sheet metal work except for pliers...  :D But its hidden, so no problem for me. It mounts up to the bottom of my triple tree which I put a hole though and countersunk. Got some nice brass hardware and rubber washers for a bit of vibration damping too. The bends clear the steering lock (which I didnt remove before P/C'ing, doh.) and drop the gauge in so the top line of the bike isn't disturbed.



One thing I ran into is the new gauge only has one "blinker" indicator light for both left/right signals, so there is no way (that I saw) to wire it so the same LED blinks for both left and right signals from the one light. If you cross light-blue/orange wires all four blink. (Hopefully I made that clear enough to understand.) My solution for this was the use the Hi-Beam light on the gauge as I wasn't going to use it anyways because I typically ride with my hi-beam on (which, I think, is a hotly debated subject...). It looks really great and I am super happy with the gauge thus far.

I pulled my ignition switch off, the zip-tied-to-the-triple-tree look wasn't quite doing it for me... For the next little while I'll run two hidden toggles (and watch my baby like a hawk) until I get an RFID relay in, which shall provide me security and clean lines. I priced it out to be 80$ CAD all said and done.

Quick question for you all about ignition wiring: Ignition switch closes brown and brown/white along with red and black for full functionality. As far as I can tell, closing brown and brown/white ONLY runs the gauge backlight. If so, is there any problem with just permanently wiring those two together and running a switch across only red/black? There is no voltage potential across the browns until red/black is closed, so I think this should be okay. If not I think I can run a dual pole, single throw switch and be done with it but that might be tougher with RFID. I aint no electrical engineer as you can tell...(but I am mechanical!)

Restoration Fan: Thanks! The only thing I am worried about is that there are quite a few light scratches which seem to happen easily, I'll have to see if they buff out!

Calj737: I thought about doing exactly that. I was worried about compromising lateral stiffness though. Ended up scrapping the brackets anyways though as they conflicted with my new exhaust. I'm designing new brackets today. They will go from the bottom engine mount bolt to the top engine mount bolt.



This will allow my swingarm bolt to be left alone and I can do whatever I want with the new mounting locations as I replaced them with all-thread rod. I didn't like using that pivot bolt in the first place anyways! One thing I need to figure out is the location of the bracket bolts on the right side of the bike. I cant find any dimensional reference to them. Does anyone have an idea of where I could find that out? Dims are always better than my poor measurement skills!

Martin: Yes, I completely agree! I was pretty tense when I turned the petcock on to see if my carbs would leak again! No leaking at all though! And yeah, the rear disk in combination with exhaust probably puts a decent restriction on what you can do for peg placement!

I am setting a goal of having my bike COMPLETED by Sunday. Just need rearset brackets, a seat and emblems now!

Here's a couple new pics! And the MotoGPwerks exhaust is great! I didnt like dealing with the guy, he was quite rude to me but his product is fantastic, so I'll take it!








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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2015, 03:37:47 PM »
Regarding your bracket and the too short pivot bolt, can you scallop the backside of the bracket on both sides where it passes through the bracket to allow the nut to grab a couple of more threads. Or scallop the front if moving the bracket closer to the frame causes other problems?

F2 750 swing arm pivot bolt is longer, the F2 has  alloy footpeg brackets, held on by the pivot bolt, hence the extra length... just use one of them.... ;D ;)
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2015, 04:36:43 PM »
Exhaust looks great. Chris can be a bit "hit or miss", but has always been completely cool with me. You got to realize the guy is wicked busy with some pretty high end builds, pretty sophisticated parts design business, and a low unit production custom exhaust business. It probably gets to him sometimes...

Yes, I agree, customs facing persona and all that, but at the end of the day, his work is excellent, reasonably priced for the quality, and who among us is perfect everyday?

As for the dimensions of the bolts, are you referring to the motor hangar bolts? 10mm and 12 mm top and bottom I believe.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2015, 08:49:59 AM »
Yes, the longer pivot bolt would work but my exhaust interferes now anyways. I'm designing new brackets today to fit.

Yeah, the exhaust does look great (and sounds MEAN), I love it! I'm not complaining about him, I get that he is busy and everyone has bad days. Just a little unpleasant giving someone a big wad of cash for a product and not being given the time of day to ask a question or two, that's all!  ;)

I'm looking for the relative position of the lower, right-side engine-mount bolt that attaches to the frame. In the picture below, its the bolt that the choke is mounted on (which is not where it is anymore!). I can only find frame dimensions for the left side of the bike.



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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2015, 11:22:15 AM »
If it's part #22 per this diagram, then it's listed as 8x20
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2015, 12:59:30 PM »
Sorry, I think you mis-understood me Calj737. I'm looking to find the dimensions to that hole location relative to the bottom-rear engine mount bolt so I can design a bracket in CAD that will fit up perfectly! I can measure it but that is tough to do with high precision!

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2015, 04:13:59 PM »
Yes I did... Sorry. (Was thinking to myself, "WTF, measure the hole!").  :D your explanation makes much better sense now.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2015, 10:30:39 AM »
Hahhaha, yeah, I make some pretty stupid mistakes but that one I figured out.  ;)

For the record, by my measurement, the hole is 155.0 mm from the bottom, rear engine mount bolt location.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2015, 02:12:42 PM »
For anyone interested in a rear-set bracket design that goes from the engine mount bolts on the left and the engine bracket mount bolt on the right (with clearance for yoshimura style exhaust), here is my design... test fitting tonight.




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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2015, 10:05:11 AM »
So yesterday I finally decided to tackle my RFID ignition system. It was pretty intimidating for me because I never really liked electrical. Most will say thats its not hard and they are right. The thing that gets me is that A) I cant see where the problem is like a mechanical system and B) If you let the smoke out thats it, buy new parts. So easy to screw it up. Anyways...

I started on the Custom-Fighters forum and found the parts I needed. RFID kit and a latching relay (80$ CAD, shipped, total). After I got these set up I started with a low amp 12v power source to get all my wiring figured out. First I got the RFID relay working, that was cake. I just wired the red to +12, black to the negative terminal and tested funtionality.l Its nice because you can hear it click, signalling successful operation. It actually works really well for how cheap it is. The RFID tag is pretty cool. From the diagram I found the Normally Open circuit in the small, first relay and verified with my multimeter. After that, I wired up the signal wire (+12v) to go through that first relay into the second (latching relay) to the signal wire. That relay had a 3-wire harness and a two-wire harness. The three wires were red/black/green. Red went to +12v, black to ground (negative battery terminal) and green was the signal, coming from the first relay. The two other wires were the ones that went from the +12v, through the third (automotive, 40 amp) relay and to the ground. Finally, the ignition wires went to the other two points on the third relay and everything worked perfectly. Sounds simple, took me like 3 hours.

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I'm not quite done yet, I'll only fully install after I finish the seat as I need to mount the LED somewhere, signalling that its live and the antenna needs to go inside the tail too.

Among that, there are two other things I'm going to do:

1. Install an in-line kill switch which will disable the rfid from sucking power during storage/no-riding periods. I hear it will take over a week to fully drain the battery when sitting and waiting for an RFID key but for any storage period I'll just switch it off with a hidden toggle behind the tail-light.

2. Install a momentary kill switch at the bars. It will be powered in front of a relay so the relays power will essentially kill itself, ensuring that the switch only works to kill power, not to start er up. This simply saves the time of swiping the rfid again to turn er off.

The coolest part of this is that I popped open the key fob, exposing the laminated, paper-thin coil. I'm simply going to tape it to my business card and keep it in my wallet, flip my wallet open, touch the tail, she is live. I'm super stoked on this, works like a damn charm!

Also, if there is enough interest I could put together a full write-up with wiring diagrams, parts lists and the like for the CB750 specifically. The custom-fighter forum is actually quite difficult to learn anything from, everything is very convoluted...

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2015, 12:54:43 PM »
Seat and emblem are almost done. I did a great job refinishing the emblem last night and then wanted to clear coat it. I promptly ruined them with clearcoat, lots of runs and very uneven. Still kicking myself.

Before clear-coating... They were in really bad shape before paint and polishing.



I made a seat-pan, which will be the base of the rest of my seat. I figure I'll do it in parts since I struggle to get everything done nicely at once. Seat pan first, get a good fit, then add the butt-stop and add the front tank-mate-type bit. I'm pulling the pan out of the mold tonight, I did a negative which fit over the frame nicely. I want the edges of the seat to cover 1/2 to 3/4 of the top frame tubing, which is easily trimmed-to if everything works as I hope it did.





Slight bump in it for clearance of some electrical stuff mounted under the kicked-up frame loop.

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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2015, 09:53:22 AM »
Short update: Seat version 3.0 is officially classified (by myself) as garbage. It fits poorly and looks awful. The reason I have been turning out crappy seats is my complete lack of tooling (I think). I have now decided to swallow my pride and I called up an old neighbor of mine who is something of a master woodworker with a fully equipped shop. This weekend I will be working with him to put together a seat that will fit all the geometry required and look the way I want. I think it will be a million times easier to do this with wood and band-saws, jigsaws, belt sanders and the like.

I also scrapped my Honda tank badges as I cant bear to do them for the eighth (I think) time now, as I screwed them up again. I ordered some knockoffs online which will be a simple fix.

Here is question for you all, I might also post these in the bikes general forum too if I don't get something to work with here.

My bike is very "buzzy" in the handlebars in mid to high range RPM's (no tach, no specific values). Its to the point where I think its abnormal. Its not the wheel-balance issue, its from the engine. Its also not the engine mount points, those, along with all other bolts/nuts are tight.

What should I look into the sort this out? I am almost sure something is wrong but I don't know what to check. Any insight would be much appreciated.



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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2015, 10:01:01 AM »
Widely available are bar end inserts to dampen the vibration. They use an expanding rubber plug inside the bar and are fairly discreet at the ends.
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Re: 1977 CB750 K7 Rebuild into a Cafe Racer
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2015, 10:38:50 AM »
Got them in already. When I say it vibrates, I mean it.