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I bet an exhaust shop could modify the flanges to fit the 650 head and make slight adjustments for fitment.  If the ID of the MGPWerks pipe is smaller than the stock 650, you might be losing performance.  It's definitely a good question for the exhaust experts out there.
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By using the 650 head and downsizing to the 550 exhaust, you are losing the benefit of the head. Stick with a 550 head, and have the performance porting done to it. Unless you plan to build a fire breathing monster off a 650 platform like Paulages did, it's not necessary.

You could bore the 550 with 61mm pistons, a MegaCycle 126-20 cam, Mike Rieck Stage 3 job, and crank work, and back it up with some Miluni or CR carbs and have plenty of bike to grin at.

Or proceed with the 650 platform and sell the MotoGP exhaust to another European buyer. It will sell quickly due to its high market desire and availability.
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By using the 650 head and downsizing to the 550 exhaust, you are losing the benefit of the head. Stick with a 550 head, and have the performance porting done to it. Unless you plan to build a fire breathing monster off a 650 platform like Paulages did, it's not necessary.

You could bore the 550 with 61mm pistons, a MegaCycle 126-20 cam, Mike Rieck Stage 3 job, and crank work, and back it up with some Miluni or CR carbs and have plenty of bike to grin at.

Or proceed with the 650 platform and sell the MotoGP exhaust to another European buyer. It will sell quickly due to its high market desire and availability.

All that sounds lovely except the sticker price. For what it cost to extract equal HP from a 550 top end he could have a titanium exhaust made by Akrapovic.
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After reading Paulages' hybrid thread, it seems like a LOT of finesse work to make the 500 or 550 lower mated to a 650 upper work together.  I must be missing something, since it seems like simply dropping in a 650 motor OR a 650 with a Dynoman 674 kit is an easier solution.  That with some custom 650 headers and pachow, you got some easy grunt in a 500/550 handling package!  Kickstarter be damned!
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Both of those replies are true, but the point was about modifying an exhaust and still doing the performance work to the motor.

I wonder how different a juiced 550 is compared to a stock 650? Certainly in stock form, a 650 would be more powerful. But as Don said, to mate a 650 upper end to a 550 lower takes some effort, and maybe not worth the gains?

Just bouncing some easy ideas around...
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I was just curious as to the why MTRD3 decided to go this more difficult route vs. a turnkey 650 drop in. 

I still find the idea of a performance 650/674 in a 550 frame attractive.  I wonder if it comes close to an 836 power to weight  ratio with much less weight.

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The forum Gods must have been looking kindly upon me last night... replies from CB750 Cafe Racer Fan, Calj737 & Fun Jimmy... you guys rounded out my list of peoples threads/posts I've been reading (and learning from) the most  :) ! Can't wait for Paulages to join the party lol  :)

By using the 650 head and downsizing to the 550 exhaust, you are losing the benefit of the head. Stick with a 550 head, and have the performance porting done to it. Unless you plan to build a fire breathing monster off a 650 platform like Paulages did, it's not necessary.

You could bore the 550 with 61mm pistons, a MegaCycle 126-20 cam, Mike Rieck Stage 3 job, and crank work, and back it up with some Miluni or CR carbs and have plenty of bike to grin at.

Or proceed with the 650 platform and sell the MotoGP exhaust to another European buyer. It will sell quickly due to its high market desire and availability.

The first point is based on the premise of a stock 550 exhaust correct? What dawned on me last night, and this is likely a question I ought to pose directly to MotoGPWerks, is whether the dimensions of his pipe & header are similar to the stock 550 dimensions or larger. I would assume somewhat larger for better flow, but allow me to restate that I am an absolute novice to this entire topic but boy am I having a blast learning  ;).

If the door closes on the 650 head idea, then the plan will be to build the bike pretty much along the lines of what you've laid out above for a 550 build (the M Rieck stage 3 job being the only thing I may have to forgo due to int'l shipping.. otherwise that would have been a done decision to send it to him, along with my money, happily lol). The craftsmanship of the MGPW exhaust is so impressive to me, and it took a lot of effort and waiting time to get, that I feel it'd be a shame to let go of, so it's likely to be a staple of the build... even if that means ditching 650 part related ideas and working with the 550 only.

After reading Paulages' hybrid thread, it seems like a LOT of finesse work to make the 500 or 550 lower mated to a 650 upper work together.  I must be missing something, since it seems like simply dropping in a 650 motor OR a 650 with a Dynoman 674 kit is an easier solution.  That with some custom 650 headers and pachow, you got some easy grunt in a 500/550 handling package!  Kickstarter be damned!

It certainly seems like dropping in a breathed on 650 would be easier, but for some reason I want to go through this with my 550 engine, in part because I am learning so much based on the research it takes to consider the hybrid build option (and that's the motivating part that's made it fun so far although I've been wielding a pencil and paper more than a wrench lol). I also want to retain the kickstarter  ;). The somewhat rudimentary plan I came up with thus far was, if possible:

my stock 550 lower case (potentially with a 650 crank for increased stroke)
my stock 550 cylinders bored to achieve an optimal balance with any changes to the stroke
New pistons to compliment the above
a 650 head with port work
the 650 cam (or a mega cycle one suitable for my application)
If possible a way to retain 550 valve cover (I've read that this requires a degree of custom modification but can be done)

Somewhere in there timing components will come into play but I haven't gotten that far with my research. Carb setup seems to be pointing in the direction of Mikuni or CR units.

I wonder how different a juiced 550 is compared to a stock 650? ... as Don said, to mate a 650 upper end to a 550 lower takes some effort, and maybe not worth the gains?

It'd be very interesting to find that out... maybe someone with a worked over 550, who has experience with the stock 650's, will chime in.

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Something I managed to get around to today was measuring up the MGPWerks exhaust. Got some interesting dimensions to share... so interesting that I thought I might be measuring incorrectly, or at least inconsistently with how it was done way back when by Paul and Cafe75-550. For easy referencing I'll re-post the info. I have on pg. 1 and add the MGPW dimensions I measured this morning at the end:

Info. from Cafe75-550:

ID of a 550 pipe 27mm, OD 38mm / 550 head has 27mm exhaust ports
ID of a Jardine 650 pipe 30mm, OD 42 mm / 650 head has 30mm exhaust ports

*Spacing of the ports from a 650 to a 550 is 2mm smaller.

A post from Paulages provided this great info:

               ID at throat         pipe O.D.       flange O.D.     flange I.D.

550F             25.4                   31.8              37                 28.3
650              28.6                    34.7              40.9              33

My MotoGPWerks measurements:

Header ID 31.8mm, OD 38.2*

*There is a second header OD because as you can see in the picture, the header reduces in overall diameter after a few inches of the initial OD, this number is: OD 35.3mm

Collector ID 60.5, OD 63.7

I have no reference info. from a stock 650 (or 550) exhaust to compare the collector dimensions to. Would be interesting to gather though having learned that the stock 650 pipes' cross section is 127% bigger than the 550's ~ a 27% reduction in cross sectional area.

SO, what picture does all this paint:

The MGPWerks header ID is apparently & approximately (I say that because the measurements are from 3 different sources with no way to guarantee they were all taken the same way):

1mm LARGER than the header ID of a JARDINE 650 header, as provided by Cafe75-550.
4.8mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 550, as provided by Cafe75-550.
3.2mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 650 header, as provided by Paulages.
6.4mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 550, as provided by Paulages.

OD is apparently & approximately:

0.2mm LARGER (negligible) than the header OD of a stock 550, as provided by Cafe75-550.
3.8mm SMALLER than the OD of a 650 Jardine header, as provided by Cafe75-550.
6.4mm LARGER (3.5mm at secondary point) than the header OD of a stock 550, as provided by Paulages.
3.5mm LARGER (0.5mm at the secondary point) than the header OD of a stock 650, as provided by Paulages.

You can see why I have my reservations about how I measured in comparison to the other two. Would love to hear others interpretations of the info.

To take it a step further, just out of curiosity, based on the following measurements from a stock CB750, courtesy of Paulages:

               ID at throat         pipe O.D.       flange O.D.     flange I.D.

750            28.2                     35                 43.5                 34.1


The MGPWerks is apparently & approximately:

3.6mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 750.
3.2mm LARGER (0.3mm at the secondary point) than the header OD of a stock 750.


In the picture attached you can see the "secondary point" or point of reduction in overall diameter which I'm talking about on the MGPWerks header... look at cyl. no. 4' header.


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Couple of things to determine: if you use a 650 crank in a 550 block, then rods need to be the correct units for that recipe. And bearings.

I didn't quite follow all your measurements on the MGP pipe, but you need to  measure the exhaust flange ID to compare, not the pipe beyond the flange. The end of the pipe is flared to fit the OD of the cool ar, and the later ID of the pipe may well be larger than stock for flow.

The other thing to realize, if/when you have head work done, not only should you have th win take manifolds ported and matched to the intake ports of the head, but you should also have the MGP collars port matched to the exhaust ports of the head. This will create the best condition for flow and fitment. Th MGP collars are turned tubing, so there's ample material for some gentle boring to port match with.
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Couple of things to determine: if you use a 650 crank in a 550 block, then rods need to be the correct units for that recipe. And bearings.

I didn't quite follow all your measurements on the MGP pipe, but you need to  measure the exhaust flange ID to compare, not the pipe beyond the flange. The end of the pipe is flared to fit the OD of the cool ar, and the later ID of the pipe may well be larger than stock for flow.

The other thing to realize, if/when you have head work done, not only should you have th win take manifolds ported and matched to the intake ports of the head, but you should also have the MGP collars port matched to the exhaust ports of the head. This will create the best condition for flow and fitment. Th MGP collars are turned tubing, so there's ample material for some gentle boring to port match with.

Thanks Calj737, yeah after looking into the the relationship between bore & stroke and how I intend(ed) to proceed I knew that when I look into the new pistons I'd have to do the same for the rods and get the two of them along with the cylinder bore dimensions and stroke increase from the 650 crank to all come together in harmony with the dome shape of the 650 head and what that means in terms of new swept volume, clearance, CR etc. etc. The research part of this has been enlightening to say the least. Also, thanks for the porting advice.. I hadn't looked into that in detail yet so what you said was new and good info. to gather.

In terms of the exhaust measurements, the ID of the flange on the MGPW header is approx. 35.5mm (reading off my caliper was always about that). That measurement would make it approx. 2.5mm larger than the stock 650 flange ID according to Paulages measurements above. Could it be that there's a happy ending to all these measurements ?? lol.

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The ID you need to pay attention to is the ID of the "manifold" on the exhaust. The portion that fits into the exhaust port, not the flared section of the pipe. The flange you pictured matters not.
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Modern front end swaps can be tricky. I know because I'm slowly collecting parts for my next build, also a 550. There is a shop in Richmond Va here in the states named " Classified Moto" who specialize in swaps like this. Super nice guys, Even willing to exchange emails with you about it. I had the pleasure of meeting the owner once before his shop was featured on Cafe Racer Tv and now launched into Custom Builder Fandom! :)
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The ID you need to pay attention to is the ID of the "manifold" on the exhaust. The portion that fits into the exhaust port, not the flared section of the pipe. The flange you pictured matters not.

Perfect, that's the portion I measured first in the orig. post.. the ID of the pieces that are installed into the pipes and protrude to fit into the exhaust ports on the engine. They're measurement was 31.8mm and it was the only ID I could take  because the calipers could not extend any further into the pipes. If that is the important measurement, then this is the assessment that I should be paying attention to correct?

31.8mm makes the MGPWerks "manifold" ID:

1mm LARGER than the header ID of a JARDINE 650 header, as provided by Cafe75-550.
4.8mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 550, as provided by Cafe75-550.
3.2mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 650 header, as provided by Paulages.
6.4mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 550, as provided by Paulages.

Particularly the "3.2mm LARGER than the header ID of a stock 650 header" I would imagine..?

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Yeah, I think the material is thick enough and "open" enough to fit a 650 exhaust port. The pipe center-to-center spacing will be your challenge for the exhaust port spacing for a 650/550 swap.
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Modern front end swaps can be tricky. I know because I'm slowly collecting parts for my next build, also a 550. There is a shop in Richmond Va here in the states named " Classified Moto" who specialize in swaps like this. Super nice guys, Even willing to exchange emails with you about it. I had the pleasure of meeting the owner once before his shop was featured on Cafe Racer Tv and now launched into Custom Builder Fandom! :)
That's John Ryland's "shop". He does Celebrity bikes, and cross-overs. Actually, the shop here in Richmond that specializes in front end swaps is CognitoMoto. Devin and his crew design, manufacture, and sell all the bits and goodies to make a modern front end bolt straight on to a vintage CB. Whether you use his stems, triples, or hubs (spokes on a CBR/GSXR wheel) its as easy as can be. He is a member here and heck of a nice guy.

Not taking anything away from John Ryland, but they're not in the business of selling parts they've made, only commissioned builds.
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That's John Ryland's "shop". He does Celebrity bikes, and cross-overs. Actually, the shop here in Richmond that specializes in front end swaps is CognitoMoto. Devin and his crew design, manufacture, and sell all the bits and goodies to make a modern front end bolt straight on to a vintage CB. Whether you use his stems, triples, or hubs (spokes on a CBR/GSXR wheel) its as easy as can be. He is a member here and heck of a nice guy.

Not taking anything away from John Ryland, but they're not in the business of selling parts they've made, only commissioned builds.
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Yep that's his name couldn't think of it, according to there website they will do a front conversion for you now, a bit pricey though still good to know there are guys willing to help with such a task.
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You definitely want to seek out http://www.cognitomoto.com

Devin has essentially converted a hundred or more front ends around the globe. Has everything, and anything you'll need. His front hub is especially trick because its already configured for spokes and modern front end bolt up and go. Even Buchanans has spokes for it.
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Yeah, I think the material is thick enough and "open" enough to fit a 650 exhaust port. The pipe center-to-center spacing will be your challenge for the exhaust port spacing for a 650/550 swap.

The material thickness.. right, one measurement I hadn't included.. it's 3.3mm on the MGPW.
My next move is to try and find a local 650 head which I can use to mock the MGPW exhaust up against to get some "real life" confirmation. My research led me to the info that the spacing of the ports from a 650 to a 550 are 2mm smaller but Cafe75-550 was able to get them aligned for mounting.

BTW, thanks for the info. in regards to Cognitomoto. I've come across a few of their builds over the past few months online but have never visited their website. The tip about their hub is sure to pay dividends when I get around to the PC40 CBR600RR front end mod. It's ironic that you mention Buchanans as well.. the set of rims I found which I want for the build are from them.


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Something like this? It's a Cognito hub on Buchanan Sun rims for a GSXR swap on my 500 build. Stainless Buchanan spokes too.

I live in a Richmond, just a few miles away from Devin and John's shop...
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I spoke to John Ryland a few years ago, before Devin started Cognitomoto.  Ryland was very helpful and generous with his time.  I did notice, however, that he was unconcerned about the affect of reduced offset on modern forks and how that would affect handling on the CBs.  Also Ryland was not so much in the front-end swap parts business but more into full builds.

Devin has really honed in on the swap issues, and sells adjustable offset triples or fixed alternative offset triples so you can restore offset more toward stock.  His parts are consistently high quality, turn-key solutions.  AND, he's a really nice guy. 
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Something like this? It's a Cognito hub on Buchanan Sun rims for a GSXR swap on my 500 build. Stainless Buchanan spokes too.

I live in a Richmond, just a few miles away from Devin and John's shop...

That looks great. Yup, something like that is what I have in mind as well. After browsing the Cognitomoto website today I found a few things I'm interested in picking up so it's inevitable that I'll be reaching out to Devin & co.

As luck would have it I found this CB650 Motor for sale on Ebay less than 100km south of where I live.. looks like it could be just what I need:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/221728784993?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

One question I have is whether the CB650 parts used in the CB550 hybrid builds have to be from a specific model year? I read that the head on the '81 & '82 CB650 models is different than the one on any model prior to that. The Ebay auction only states RC03 and although it specifies a power figure of 50PS, thus the same as the 550 motor, I read that specifically in Germany, due to insurance classification levels, 650's were also offered with a "limiter" so to say keeping their power figure 50PS similar to their predecessor 550. Not sure if that would bear any significance for me as I'd only be buying the motor for the individual parts I need. That is if it's even the correct donor motor for my application.

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at a guess it is a 79-80 engine, it has the OHC650 embossed on the rocker covers. appears to be the German 50 HP model so carbs and cam are what was used to lower the HP
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at a guess it is a 79-80 engine, it has the OHC650 embossed on the rocker covers. appears to be the German 50 HP model so carbs and cam are what was used to lower the HP

Cam and carbs to LIMIT horsepower.  How utterly insidious!  :o :o :o
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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I'm sure more than a few forum members would be happy to take the pipe off your hands. Then you could use the cash to get a nice 4-1 for the 650.
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at a guess it is a 79-80 engine, it has the OHC650 embossed on the rocker covers. appears to be the German 50 HP model so carbs and cam are what was used to lower the HP

For some reason I thought the RC03 meant that it was a model year '81 or newer... that being said I have no idea what the RC designation denotes (neither with 03 at the end nor with 05). Would suck if it is a different cam which is used to reduce the power output because the cam is one of the parts I could/would need for my hybrid build. Hopefully someone can confirm. Also, are the head, crank and connecting rod the proper parts needed for the hybrid build?

I'm sure more than a few forum members would be happy to take the pipe off your hands. Then you could use the cash to get a nice 4-1 for the 650.

I imagined as much, but as mentioned earlier this specific pipe was something I really wanted for this build, and purchased prior to deciding to go the hybrid motor route, so I have every intention of trying to make things work  :). Based on the discussion above it seems it is actually perfectly suitable and "in spec" so to say for 650 head... just a matter of alignment/fitment.