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Offline havokhaven13

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petcock open but no fuel flow?
« on: November 25, 2014, 12:46:57 PM »
OK i have researched this and found answers for related questions but no answer to my problem. I have a 1971 CB500 k0. i bought new fuel lines and a t splitter like it had when i got it. the tank has a petcock that works. i can open it and fuel flows freely. as soon as i put the fuel line on the flow stops. no matter what i do i can't get a flow. theres no kinks, i have ran the fuel line several different ways but i think the current configuration is the best as it is minimal line.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 12:54:05 PM »
how full is your tank?
this is a gravity fed system.  more fuel=more downward pressure.
arrange all your fuel lines so there is only downward flow.

you can also try opening your bowl drain screws to help clear the air as the fuel flows downward.  close them as the fuel starts to flow
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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 01:03:05 PM »
Is the T splitter clear? Maybe a bit of plastic stuck in there? I think I would use brass for that.
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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 01:36:30 PM »
Your petcock is off! Ok, just kidding. Try it on reserve and see if is just your fuel level. Could be too low for the ON since that has a taller spout than reserve. Does it flow if you disconnect it from the carbs? I'd disconnect it and have it dangle low and see if fuel flows. If not, then I'd disconnect the T and see if it then flows.


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 01:42:51 PM »
Stuck floats?

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »
the splitter is clear. i have blown through it. i can switch it to reserve and nothing still happens when the lines are on it. Im pretty new at this so where are the drain screws? I'm not sure but maybe the line is to small?

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 02:14:56 PM »
many many thanks to flybox1. opening the drain screws worked perfectly. fuel flows like new now.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 02:56:31 PM »
Don't these carbs have an outlet to the atmosphere other than the drain tubes? If so, it might be clogged. My carbs have a hose for fuel and also a hose that just goes behind the motor not connected to anything to keep everything at atmospheric pressure. Or at least that's how I understood it.


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 03:15:08 PM »
You are correct Dave the vent must be clogged. Filling the bowls once will not allow the bike to run correctly. Dan

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 12:52:25 AM »
I have vent tubes on the bottom that I think are overflow houses but they have never worked. Gas comes out where my air pods are. It had ran so I didn't think anything of it. What do I need to do?

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petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 05:31:02 AM »
I have vent tubes on the bottom that I think are overflow houses but they have never worked. Gas comes out where my air pods are. It had ran so I didn't think anything of it. What do I need to do?

Ok, that needs to be fixed. Yes, those are overflow tubes. Take off the float bowls and you'll see a brass tube sticking up. Those are clogged. Remove the rubber hose and spray carb cleaner in there and make sure it's clean, clear and under control. Remove the rubber hose just because rubber hates carb cleaner. It's a feud that goes way back. Someone's sister was involved...I don't know.

You should figure out why it's overflowing to begin with, though. Does it constantly do it? Or just sometimes? From all carbs? There is a float and float needle that supplies fuel to the carb bowls. If the float needle gets stuck open or if some grit gets in there preventing the float needle from sealing that'll make the fuel continue to flow. Worst case it can also pour into your cylinders and when you start it up you'll get hydrolock. Does your oil smell of fuel? If so I'd change it. Fuel could be thinning it out. Sometimes floats get stuck if the bowls were drained dry. You can often just wrap on the bowl with a screw driver handle and that'll free them and stop the leak. But if not, find out why the fuel keeps flowing.

Just because the overflow tubes are clogged I'd think the rest of the carb has a lot of gunk in it too. Ever take the carbs off and clean them? I'd hate to say it should be done if you say your bike runs but I bet it'll run a lot better if you do. Does your bike stutter or have lack of power? Ever check your spark plugs to see if your fuel mixture is lean? If it were me I'd just take the carbs off and remove all the jets and really clean everything. There are tiny holes that can get clogged easily. I'm sure you can find a post here about cleaning carbs or even a video on YouTube that'll walk you through it.

But yeah, fuel coming out of your pods is not great.

P.S. Did you put the pods on or did you buy it like that? Did you do any re-jetting?


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 05:38:38 AM »
I have vent tubes on the bottom that I think are overflow houses but they have never worked. Gas comes out where my air pods are. It had ran so I didn't think anything of it. What do I need to do?

Ok, that needs to be fixed. Yes, those are overflow tubes. Take off the float bowls and you'll see a brass tube sticking up. Those are clogged. Remove the rubber hose and spray carb cleaner in there and make sure it's clean, clear and under control. Remove the rubber hose just because rubber hates carb cleaner. It's a feud that goes way back. Someone's sister was involved...I don't know.

You should figure out why it's overflowing to begin with, though. Does it constantly do it? Or just sometimes? From all carbs? There is a float and float needle that supplies fuel to the carb bowls. If the float needle gets stuck open or if some grit gets in there preventing the float needle from sealing that'll make the fuel continue to flow. Worst case it can also pour into your cylinders and when you start it up you'll get hydrolock. Does your oil smell of fuel? If so I'd change it. Fuel could be thinning it out. Sometimes floats get stuck if the bowls were drained dry. You can often just wrap on the bowl with a screw driver handle and that'll free them and stop the leak. But if not, find out why the fuel keeps flowing.

Just because the overflow tubes are clogged I'd think the rest of the carb has a lot of gunk in it too. Ever take the carbs off and clean them? I'd hate to say it should be done if you say your bike runs but I bet it'll run a lot better if you do. Does your bike stutter or have lack of power? Ever check your spark plugs to see if your fuel mixture is lean? If it were me I'd just take the carbs off and remove all the jets and really clean everything. There are tiny holes that can get clogged easily. I'm sure you can find a post here about cleaning carbs or even a video on YouTube that'll walk you through it.

But yeah, fuel coming out of your pods is not great.

P.S. Did you put the pods on or did you buy it like that? Did you do any re-jetting?


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 07:35:55 AM »
when i got the bike it had no air filters. bought the wrong ones first time but right ones second time around. i have wondered about the jetting but have no idea how to go about it. i only just learned where the air screws (for lack of a better term) are. i haven't messed with them. but it does have lack of power and it does need new plugs. 1 and 2 won't fire sometimes and i can take the plug wire off and hold it right above the plug and it'll start firing again.  it has a slight oil leak but its sporadic. sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't. i haven't taken the carbs off or done any work other than to buy the arts it was initially missing, throttle cables, ignition switch, air pods, battery, with it needs a new one already i think. so it does need work but i see so much potential in the bike i don't mind working on it. and its a plus that i only paid $200 for a mostly running bike.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 08:49:16 AM »

when i got the bike it had no air filters. bought the wrong ones first time but right ones second time around. i have wondered about the jetting but have no idea how to go about it. i only just learned where the air screws (for lack of a better term) are. i haven't messed with them. but it does have lack of power and it does need new plugs. 1 and 2 won't fire sometimes and i can take the plug wire off and hold it right above the plug and it'll start firing again.  it has a slight oil leak but its sporadic. sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't. i haven't taken the carbs off or done any work other than to buy the arts it was initially missing, throttle cables, ignition switch, air pods, battery, with it needs a new one already i think. so it does need work but i see so much potential in the bike i don't mind working on it. and its a plus that i only paid $200 for a mostly running bike.

First thing I'd do before anything is get, if you haven't already, a workshop manual. You can download it somewhere on this forum.

Have you done a tune up on this bike yet? Valve clearance, cam chain adjustment, proper plugs with correct gaps, point gaps and timing? That along with an oil and filter change should be some of the FIRST things done and that could fix a lot of problems with performance right there.

These bikes don't come from factory with pod air filters. They have an airbox with a single filter that's under the seat. What did the PO do to the bike regarding intake and exhaust? Post a couple pictures of the bike. Any idea if he/she re-jetted? Pods aren't a plug and play addition unfortunately. It's less restrictive than the stock airbox so it'll lean out your mixture. You'll then need to put larger jets and change other carb settings to get it to run better but it's a little difficult to make it work. Do a search for airbox vs pods on the forum, grab a bag of popcorn and read them through. I especially recommend anything written by the user TwoTired. The man really knows what he's talking about, especially about these air induction systems.

Do you like the pods or do you not care? Going a cafe route or keeping it factory? If you don't care about pods I'd recommend getting the intake system back to stock. It'll make the bike perform better and be much more predictable. Also replacing the single filter is cheaper than replacing all 4 pods.

$200 is a great deal even if it's a basket case. Well done. But seriously, post some pictures. We always like to see more bikes. Never gets old in my opinion.


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 08:52:49 AM »
Also, did the bike sit long? Any rust in the tank?


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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 09:22:41 AM »
I have vent tubes on the bottom that I think are overflow houses but they have never worked. Gas comes out where my air pods are. It had ran so I didn't think anything of it. What do I need to do?
+1   find out why as mentioned above.
Take off the carb bowls and just fill them with water.
the last thing you want is a fire, or fuel draining into your valves/engine.
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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 09:30:53 AM »
I did get  the manuals off of here, they are a big help. You know how it goes, I got it from a guy who didn't want to mess with it and he got it from a woman who didn't know what it was. He got a guy to look at the carbs and he said they didn't need any work cause it would start. Which I know it needs work so I'll pull it off the first chance I get. I haven't done a full tune up but I did get a new oil filter and change oil before I did any riding. I have pics of when I first got it and will post when I get home. I'll take new ones as well though I haven't had money to do much. And I did plan on going cafe with it but just bought a cb900 custom so giving this one to my dad for Christmas once I get it running right. He is from Britain and had one as a teen he said. He has been helping when he can.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 09:48:40 AM »

I haven't done a full tune up but I did get a new oil filter and change oil before I did any riding.

Yeah I hear you, pretty much same with my bike. Go ahead and do the full tune up. That should help. Might fix the random non-firing 1-2 as well. If I were you I'd dive into the carbs too once that's done like you said.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2014, 11:52:31 AM »
I just got done looking at the plugs and wires and found out that  1 &  2 had bad wires so I stripped then back and screwed the caps back in and they both fitted right up. I accidently left the key in and turned on so I drained the battery. Noob  mistake but jumped it with a car and it's all good. Here's the pics after I put it all back together. I do have some work to do to it. But I'm riding again thanks to you guys.

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2014, 12:21:44 PM »
and now i find another problem, its leaking oil and looks like around the crankcase but not real sure. it smells like gas and is really thin. how would gas get in the oil?

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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 12:31:16 PM »
 Leaking past the needle and seat in the carbs and filling up the bowls and leaking into the head past the valves into the crankcase
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Re: petcock open but no fuel flow?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2014, 01:02:03 PM »
So would a gasket fix this? Or do I need to rebuild the carb?

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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2014, 02:41:14 PM »
No, a gasket wouldn't fix it. Looks like you need to pull the carbs out and really give them a thorough cleaning.


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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2014, 02:59:24 PM »
Agreed
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2014, 03:47:12 PM »
alright, i was planning on getting a rebuild kit off ebay and redoing the carbs anyway so i guess thats my next project. thanks for the help. ill update when i get it done.