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Lane splitting
« on: December 10, 2014, 09:56:16 AM »
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 10:27:10 AM »
just fine..but a speed limit must be follov a rule thange..so peapel not split at 80mph..and slalom driving
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 10:43:32 AM »
yes. over here (netherlands) you're allowed to lane split if traffic is not moving faster than 40kph and you're not more than 10kph above the speed the cars are going at. i have to admit i don't always stick to the rule but agree that it makes sense to have it.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 12:09:51 PM »
I don't actually know what the rule is in France, must try and find out one of these days. I avoid traffic like the plague, give me the open countryside. And I usually start my runs at 6AM, have breakfas in the mountains at 7:30 and back home at 9:30. No traffic, no coppers, simples.

But I agree it should be allowed, with the type of limits already mentioned.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 12:57:14 PM »
they have traffic rules in france??

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 01:05:18 PM »
I signed it,thanks for that link andy750
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 01:06:53 PM »
they have traffic rules in france??

In theory  ;D ;D ;D ;D

We also still have laws made by Napoleon  ::)

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 04:14:13 PM »
I don't actually know what the rule is in France, must try and find out one of these days. I avoid traffic like the plague, give me the open countryside. And I usually start my runs at 6AM, have breakfas in the mountains at 7:30 and back home at 9:30. No traffic, no coppers, simples.

But I agree it should be allowed, with the type of limits already mentioned.

Kev

It's not legal, but not enforced either. Meaning the cops won't bother you, but if you wreck and it's your fault, well...

Did it for years when I lived there and never had any trouble. And boy did I split... Some days it was practically all the way to work. Paris area.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 06:09:09 PM »
It still needs 94,000+ sigs by the end of this month?  No way that will happen. The people who created the petition are not trying hard enough.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 06:16:01 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 06:26:57 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.

Where it's legal/widely performed, this happens all the time. It's not as bad as you would think, at those speeds you have plenty of time to react believe it or not.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 08:16:44 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.

I think the math on it is that you are more likely to be hit from behind than have someone pull out in front of you. 

Lane splitting on surface streets when traffic is stopped at a red light and backed up is perfectly safe.  Lane splitting is less safe on the highway, but the risks can be reduced.  Following the rules that were posted from the Netherlands, combined with only splitting on the highway when there are three or more lanes, and only between the two left-most lanes has served me well.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 08:52:17 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.


Lane splitting on surface streets when traffic is stopped at a red light and backed up is perfectly safe.

I agree with that. But at some point, the light will turn green and you'll need to get into a lane, then run the risk of someone not paying attention and running into you.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 09:06:33 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.


Totally agreed. I used to do it a lot as a kid. But it was always in the back of my mind "what if"? With the way people drive around here especially nowadays, it's crazy out there. I'm not against it, just wouldn't do it.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »
I personally dont think lane splitting is a smart way to ride.  I may be in the minority here, but I think its a gamble - at some point a cage is going to change lanes and take you out.

Where it's legal/widely performed, this happens all the time. It's not as bad as you would think, at those speeds you have plenty of time to react believe it or not.

i would say yes but add that it's true what stev-o says, cars in slow moving or stationary traffic pay even less attention and switch lanes out of nowhere. you need to stay very alert, i have 2 fingers on clutch and brake, foot on brake pedal at all times. you learn to spot and anticipate those guys that are twitching to jump the queue. it's certainly not a relaxed ride. better than being stuck but i wouldn't do it for fun.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 12:18:49 AM »
I was in traffic and hit every red light possible it seemed.  I like the idea because it's always people that don't move that end up at the front of the line. Waiting 10 seconds for some idiot to recognize a green light pisses me off. Oops wrong thread.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2014, 12:40:58 AM »
im with stevo,we can do it here,but take care,if you ride through stationary cars like a traffic jam a door doesent open up in front of you?i do it with care but never at speed,some cars have tried to block by driving onto the centre line,i like it that we can if it suits you but as always some guys think its a given right?like dick heads with stupid wide bars almost knocking off rearview mirrors as they weave their wobbly way through,dont forget cars are less likely to see or expect you there.

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Lane splitting on surface streets when traffic is stopped at a red light and backed up is perfectly safe.
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until a door is opened up in your face,besides riding a bike is never perfectly safe,less so with cars around you.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 01:51:31 AM »
what ive found lately is lane splitting is getting easier here in Queensland,, it's because most of the f'wits driving the car are to busy texting to even notice you,,,. you have to honk your horn so they can see that the lights turned green..

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 03:26:00 AM »
you have to honk your horn so they can see that the lights turned green..

I thought maybe they quit teaching the green/ red principal in driver's ed classes. Something is whrong. People at the front to the line have a responsibility to get their asses in gear when it goes to green, but it seems like they have to think about it for several moments. If you had split the land you wouldn't have to deal with that.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 07:23:02 AM »
What'd you think about moving up a line of stopped traffic on the right side of'em where the solid white line is ..?
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2014, 07:32:37 AM »
What'd you think about moving up a line of stopped traffic on the right side of'em where the solid white line is ..?

Not a good idea...

Moving up a line of stopped traffic is always on the left (in civilized countries ;) ). Even if it means riding in the middle of the road. I've done it so many times and no it's not fun. The trick is to move up when there is no oncoming traffic of course. Then when there is move back into the lane between 2 cars. As long as they don't go bumper to bumper (very rare but yes it happens, just pick the next/previous spot) there's always space.

Again, you're moving slow enough that you have time to react should anything happen, and only do it if you know you're going to make it and have enough visibility, i.e. going around a big truck tip-toe it in case a pedestrian is crossing between cars. Been there never hit anyone. I have laid down a heavy Suzuki 750 once like that in the middle of a crowd due to tight maneuvering, out of embarrassment I became superman and picked it up in a second where it would take me a good 5 minutes planning and 10 minutes grunting otherwise.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 07:42:09 AM »
This is a no-brainer, yes it seems dangerous, but once you do it regularly it really is quite safe actually. People in cages don't see you anyway so always keep that in mind.

Now in places where cars are used to it, there's a better degree of safety since they tend to look first. However that in itself is misleading and never to be trusted since there is always the one pulling into your spot exactly at the time you're passing by, so never fall in complacence.

Where people aren't used to it mostly you have to deal with the jealous type that thinks you're stealing something from HIM. Like he's never speeding or rolling that stop sign and always using the blinkers... The key thing is it's not a race, and people should understand we're not getting ahead of them but rather out of the way. After all we're not all going the exact same place, and one less vehicle on your path also makes you get wherever you're going faster...

To each his own though, I understand why some people won't do it because it's intimidating, that's fine. Just be sure not to advocate in the other direction, some of us actually do rely on it.

For the record I don't do it anymore because I don't need to, commuting on semi-rural back-roads is nice.

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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2014, 08:56:43 AM »
Maurice,
I was also thinking about a real small cc bike,just turning into a pedestrian and jump off(when someone see's me walking they hopefully will give me more mercy  ::) )and run/walk myself & bike(right side of the road where bicycles are) to the spot I want to be... not too safe but at least it can/has been done.I then jump back on and GO.  ;D try to do that w/ a car/truck  :o Some of the cagers get mad,but I think they're jealous.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2014, 09:13:45 AM »
What'd you think about moving up a line of stopped traffic on the right side of'em where the solid white line is ..?

Once we were running a pace line on bicycles, I think four of us that rode together regularly. We were along the right and a guy pulled up at an intersection, turned his blinker on and turned right into our lead. He even looked at us as he did it as we if we were supposed to react to his sudden appearance from behind.

Lead guy ended up cited with passing on the right, though he was never really behind the car that  took him out. We all appeared at court, it was thrown out pretty quick.

But none the less riding on the right where bicycles tend to be is what we were doing.
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Re: Lane splitting
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2014, 11:35:02 AM »
I know there's a law against passing on the right.., but I'd rather just get off the cycle and 'Run it' across an intersection sometimes(which is why I like small bikes so much)rather than just sit there and wait behind some auto driver who doesn't care,etc. my defense will be "officer,my bike stalled out(literally in traffic  ::)  ;D )and I just needed to get it going again"  ::) :) I'd rather be on the right side of the road,out of the lane of 'drivers' sometimes even if I need to wait a minute until I can find a courteous driver who will wave me back in to the lane.I find it helps me to deal w/ road rage better when I 'pull over' and let a bunch of'em Move Up some...but that's just me.  :)  I know this thread is about "Lane Splitting" while rolling and I do that rarely but not as much as I would like because it seems there are too many cagers out to get a biker  >:(  Now if I was in CA. I might reconsider how much to lane split depending on the type of cagers around me at the time.
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