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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2014, 06:53:34 PM »
I find it ironic that you are importing a Japanese bike to Japan !  Are they not easily had there? Curious....

I did just find a sweet NSR-  http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/mcy/4788217849.html  what 140000 Yen these days?

dang that is only 1172 $ WOW!!

Hey  ascanio1- mind helpng me with shipping :-) those go for good coin here.
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2014, 07:04:27 PM »
Did you end up buying local bike, or import to japan?
I ended up buying it here as over a period of 4 months the exchange rate yen/dollar dropped and I realized that there was no more economic advantage to buy it in the US. So I set myself a limit (700,000 yen) which I was adamant to not blow and when this one came up, I bought it.
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2014, 07:20:54 PM »
@ 70CB750 & Bankerdanny,
Beautiful bike, congratulations. The 5 minute warm up time is idling or riding? Every bike is different and 5 minutes is not excessive, but it will warm up faster when riding. I would expect that you should be able to completely open the choke within a kilometer when riding in moderate to warm temps.
It takes over 5 minutes to warm up while idling and it does not improve if I use the choke. I know perfectly well that riding a bike - cold - does not harm it as long as I ride very slowly for the first few miles or so... but my question was not to contest the nuisance (*) as much as to verify if I have any mechanical problems which I should worry about, as it smells of burnt oil while it warms up.

(*) I don't mind to warm her up gently, as an old lady should be treated. I know that I'm being silly and sentimental, but it would make no practical sense at all, for me, to own a classic if I couldn't be pleasured by such sentimental quirks!
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2014, 07:28:09 PM »
For manuals I've used www.honda4fun.com It's an Italian website.
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2014, 07:33:21 PM »
I don't think he wants to lock the front brake, he illustrating the fact that it doesn't stop well. Servicing it as posted above will help, it should stop reasonably. I double disc'd one and loved it, there are better rotors available and better pads too.
 My K0 bike is like that, when it comes out of storage that's the first thing I'm working on.
Yep, exactly, re the locking front disk.
Are you going with Oldtech's modification suggestion? Do you have any pics of what it would look like finished? My local mechanic double "disked" one but, apparently there were no improvements or very little...

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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2014, 07:43:38 PM »
Originally from the factory their wasn't as far as I know. The seat on Ascanio's bikes looks like it might be a repilca seat from Yamiya
http://www.yamiya750.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=123&sort=20a&language=en
Man that's a good looking K3. You aren't going to do the flipper-rue on it are you ;)
What's a flipper-rue?
Today I will check under the seat if it's original or a replica. Can anyone tell me where to look? I will post pics of the seat in detail, later.

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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2014, 07:52:44 PM »
I find it ironic that you are importing a Japanese bike to Japan !  Are they not easily had there? Curious.... I did just find a sweet NSR-  http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/mcy/4788217849.html  what 140000 Yen these days? dang that is only 1172 $ WOW!! Hey  ascanio1- mind helpng me with shipping :-) those go for good coin here.
I did not import it into Japan.
I bought it from a dealer who specializes in 1970's bikes - he imported it back from the US or the UK (I think) because of the clocks which show miles, not kilometers. Actually, coming to think about it, I don't know how the dealer managed to pass the shaken test... they are pretty thorough, here in Japan...

As for the NSR, sure, I will be happy to help but I won't buy/resell. So, if you can work out all the paperwork, etc, I'll be super glad to help you!

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2014, 08:27:18 PM »
These are the numbers on the master cylinder...can anyone make out if the first character is a number 7 or a letter T?
T9564?
79564?

The last character is a 4, not an A... right?
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2014, 08:46:49 PM »
The pictured seat does look like a different contour though I have never heard of differences, at least on US models.  Seems I always learn new things here all the time though, especially with the real early models. Maybe he will get back and let us know if it is an old or new seat and if it has old dusty red foam in it.
The seat has been repaired with duck tape and is, evidently, a replacement cover.
I am trying to post the pictures but I can't get the forum to accept them... I can't add pics to this post!

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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2014, 08:49:21 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2014, 08:49:40 PM »
Seat pictures... there are 9 more pictures of the inside. I can't seem to be able to post more pictures. Can anyone help me post 9 more images?
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2014, 08:55:56 PM »
Pics of the seat, underneath.

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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2014, 08:58:36 PM »
... a few at a time... seems to work.

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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2014, 12:54:14 AM »
No idea what seat this is.
It´s missing all the holes underneath. The cover is going too deep inside underneath and is fixed with srews instead of clamps.

I would change for a correct K3 seat anyway.

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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2014, 01:59:24 AM »
I already bought another seat, Honda original.
Now I'm looking for a cover.

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2014, 01:59:58 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2014, 02:25:39 AM »
@ascanio1
The brakes on these old bikes are atrocious. However, you can do contemporary upgrades that will dramatically improve the brake without ruining the look of the bike. I am very happy with my upgrade, and the front brake locks up if I desire it to do so. The brake performance has tremendously improved. There are lots of threads here regarding the upgrades. And it can be done by using all Honda parts with very little work, depending how much money you want to spend. I used EBC rotors, but all the conversion pieces are Honda. You can even use Honda brake lines. To add a second disc was common back then, only the steel brake line give away that the upgrade is more recent. From what I read, you have the same goal as I did: Keep the original look but with modest improvement that fill fit the bikes appearance. I also did some upgrades to the charging system, ignition, and suspension.


The bike should warm up quickly while driven (which is much better than to let it sit at idle). So, something is wrong here. The choke should make a difference.  And if the white smoke is indeed oil, you probably will have to pull the engine to inspect the pistons and rings. But, as suggested, give it a full service first.

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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2014, 03:08:04 AM »

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Nice looking bike, Wobbly.  K7 or K8?
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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2014, 03:36:15 AM »
I tend to disagree about the brakes being atrocious old these old Honda's. Are they up to par with modern bikes, of course not. I'm no road racer but I have had to make a few rather  brisk stops at times and no problem. One particular time sticks in my mind when I was on a straight section of road running 65 to 70 mph range when I came up on the stop sign sooner than expected and I to hit the brakes hard on my 750KO to keep from ending up in the woods, but the old girl came to a stop no problem.
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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2014, 06:20:32 AM »
Some new descent brake pads and deglazing your disk along with a brake line upgrade may help and make your front brake more acceptable.
  Differences between the K2 and K3 were fairly minimal. The K2 was a transition bike between the older K1 and K3 as it still had an earlier unicorn top fork bridge/meter holder but used the dash panel idiot light. K2 had an extra funky button on the left control for a turn signal cancel, one year only.  As far as engines the first couple/few years had the most overall power but as touring and fairings along with a gas crisis we had the engines were reworked for more torque and better fuel economy and less overall top end horsepower.
  Usually on any new old Honda I get I like to check out the carbs to see what has been done. They are cold blooded but it does not hurt to drop a bowl or two (love those easy to use clips) and see if there is any sign of crud in the bowl, maybe pull a main and slow jet to check the numbers and also see if they are aftermarket or genuine Kehin parts. The slow jets clog very easily and can contribute to rough running.
    Not sure but I thought when the Honda 750 was first produced they maybe could not be rode or sold in Japan because of a size limitation ?? I'll have to research that a little.  Enjoy the bike.

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Re: YEEAAAAHHH !!! Got it! I'm a proud SOHC owner !
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2014, 06:29:19 AM »
A lot of things could effect braking. Could have had fork seals leak at one time and contaminated the pads.

I'd flush the brake system and put new fluid in, and change out the pads. That will give you a good baseline to begin with. Yes you could put new lines on but if they are not cracked, I'd say leave them. I'm running stock lines on my old K's yet, no problems.

As for warmup, I'd say you might do well to do a good carb clean up. It's always good to baseline all aspects of your bike, carb clean and sync, oil chainges (fork and engine), set valves, lube swingarm bearings. I'd also recommend getting an oil pan gasket and drop the pan to clean it out and check the health of the motor. That can tell you a LOT.

Resist the urge to go electronic ignition etc. Mark your points plate, pull it, pull the advancer and lube it up good,  that is very important. The put your points back in per the marks you made, give them a light clean up with emery cloth, and set your points per the manual. Make sure you lube the points heal ligtly with some grease and ride on. Those old points will last you a good long time if you take care of everything.

As for that burnt oil smell, it's likely your engine blow by tube. There is a tube that runs from the top of the motor on the cam cover down towards the rear wheel. Especially since you let it sit and idle, you are likely smelling those fumes, plus any unburned fumes from the idling.

If the bike has spent a lot of time sitting, you could also have some sticking rings. Would do well to run a compression check just to see how things are. If you have some low cylinders, that could contribute to blow by and thus the smell. A good dose of marvel mystery oil in the cylinders over a period of many days, repeating, then drain the oil. That could possibly loosen up stuck rings.

These motors are almost indestructable with just a reasonable amount of care, but the best thing you can do is baseline the mechanicals first then keep up on maintenance.
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2014, 07:03:47 AM »
Change the brake lines. I bet, hey are old. If so, a lot of brake pressure is lost because of widening.
Did you change the motor oil? Make sure, that there is mineral oil in. Syntitic oil may cause slippering clutch.
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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2014, 06:36:49 AM »
Thanks to everyone for all the advice which I am going to follow... so, this is what I will do and in what order:

A) Keys:
- Bought a new pair online.

B) Seat:
- replace duck tail with original one (I already have).
- replace cover on original, de-rust frame, paint & replace plastic silver rim.

C) Front brakes:
- install new calipers. Will check on forum for type/model.
- deglaze rotor (even though it's in good nic).
- use super soft pads.
- install wire-mesh tubing. Anyone knows if metal tubing with external rubber sheath exist?

D) Clutch:
- I just put new, synthetic, oil so I will start by changing it.
- before refill, I will use internal engine cleaner/scrubber & turn the ignition on a few times.
- If clutch problem persists, I will open clutch assembly (is clutch access difficult on K3?)

E) Engine:
- check the blow-by tube & residues for burnt fuel & oil smell. If problem not here... then
- smell may be caused by fuel & other residue in cylinders due to worn valve seats: once hot valves expand and fit properly the smell stops. This would also explain the absence of continuous white smoke. If it were some rings, gasket, leak, etc then smoking and smell would continue. Right? Please correct me here if I'm wrong...
- carbs were cleaned & aligned (idling is perfect) but I will re-open to check jets and air screw.
- if revving problem persists, I will try de-carbonation and that Oil Marvel Mystery which lrutt mentioned.
- if problem still persists, I will dyna-test: significant power loss = open engine;
:-(

@ wobbly,
What calipers do you use?

@ dhall57,
What do you mean with: "flipper-rue"?

@ lrutt,
Thanks, great advice and list. I will follow most of it. Especially I will check the engine blow tube, which you mentioned.

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2014, 06:48:04 AM »
I would not go crazy on any internal engine washes etc.  If it is not running correctly and since it is new to you I would start with the basic tune-up, set valve lash, set cam chain, check plugs (they can tell a story), check the timing and advance and most importantly make sure the carbs are clean clean clean and set up correctly.  Checking fuel tank and petcock screen for crud is important after doing all that.
    Get some miles on her than make another assessment, see if you have oil leaks etc.

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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2014, 08:24:36 AM »
From a collector standpoint the values tend to go down as the model years go up (as is the case with most vehicles). The mid 70's. That said I don't think there is much difference in value between the K3 to K5 models.

You asked about the impact of the (apparently) replacement engine. If you were buying as a serious collector whose goal was appreciation in value, then it has a huge impact. If your goal was a nice clean SOHC 750 to ride and enjoy then I think the impact is nominal. If you ever decide to sell it will limit what you will get, but since you didn't buy a museum bike and don't appear to have paid a museum bike price, I think you got a fair deal.

However, the seller should definitely have disclosed that the engine was not original.
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