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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2015, 12:00:48 PM »
I travelled France on motorcycle in mid nineties, but guns on cops is nothing you normally notice.

Truth is, the only cops I remember were on BMWs, riding side by side on country roads.

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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2015, 12:23:40 PM »
I travelled France on motorcycle in mid nineties, but guns on cops is nothing you normally notice.

Truth is, the only cops I remember were on BMWs, riding side by side on country roads.

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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2015, 09:22:29 PM »
I want each of them to have 7 bottles of the finest Wine to go with the 7 Virgins. The only think I ask is that the bottles has a hole in it and the Virgins don't.  ;)

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2015, 07:33:14 AM »
I've been away and haven't been able to respond to the attack of the #$%*s, Kev you're right the French have shown class in response a stupid situation, we are getting to a point where the pseudo religious types are marginalizing themselves to irrelevance by actions that a 3 year would understand was evil, it will be interesting what the French people do to make accommodation with the event will it be breast beating and more security or will it be lets move on?
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2015, 09:21:50 AM »
The French are seriously. They are deploying 10,000 troops for internal security. They are protecting the Jewish Schools right now with 5,000 cops and troops. They looked heavily armed and very serious. I think the French are not taking this laying down. I suppose they will be funneling some of their good weaponry overseas to help take the fight to these bastards. 
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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2015, 03:43:05 PM »
I got this from somebody:

A German's View on Islam. Hard to argue with this. This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear.
Easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’
‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'
‘We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’
‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’
‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’
‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores.’
‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’
‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2015, 03:47:13 PM »
Taking my chances that some Aussie will give me a sihte again about the kazachstan I was born in, I can only confirm what Tanya says, I did not know any hard core communists in my day in the old country, but we sure were owned by them and we did not count for much, since they  had all the power.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2015, 04:40:35 PM »
Taking my chances that some Aussie will give me a sihte again about the kazachstan I was born in, I can only confirm what Tanya says, I did not know any hard core communists in my day in the old country, but we sure were own by them and we did not count for much, since they  had all the power.

Communism, socialism, what ever ISM you wish to talk about including democracy, have at some time been hijacked or used by sick sociopaths to further their own twisted ideologies and control populations, just like Islam, blaming the idea is wrong, its the scumbags that have twisted it to suit their agenda and used it for their own means that are the problem and still are. I am all in favor of Muslim leaders coming out and condemning these religious zealots that kill in the name of their god, the biggest problem i see there, is that Muslim extremists target ANYONE who disagrees with them, even their own, {Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else ever did} it will take a Muslim or Muslims with big balls are no fear of their own mortality to do the right thing and speak out on behalf of all non violent Muslims, there needs to be a global movement, loud and clear by the Muslim community against these radical backward murderers.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2015, 07:10:52 AM »
It would appear that in France and other parts of Europe there has been some backlash against the resident Muslim populations. This could fan the flames. Not sure how I feel about that.

On a positive note that Boko bunch attacked the Cameroon military and got their asses kicked but good. This I like, it will give the Cameroon Soldiers confidence to begin an aggressive campaign.
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« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2015, 09:09:59 AM »
70CB750:

That articles claim about zones in the UK being no-go zones for British police was pretty well debunked the last few days, a talking head on Fox and to apologize to the city of Birmingham...

There are areas where the Islamic people try to walk the streets and tell people what to wear etc..but they are being actively suppressed by UK authorities.

I am sure there are examples of strife, and I am sure some blogger has posted some version that strife that conforms to your post.  Could it be someone on the internet stretched the truth??  :o ::) :o

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2015, 11:26:57 AM »
70CB750:

That articles claim about zones in the UK being no-go zones for British police was pretty well debunked the last few days, a talking head on Fox and to apologize to the city of Birmingham...

There are areas where the Islamic people try to walk the streets and tell people what to wear etc..but they are being actively suppressed by UK authorities.

I am sure there are examples of strife, and I am sure some blogger has posted some version that strife that conforms to your post.  Could it be someone on the internet stretched the truth??  :o ::) :o
I don't say these things lightly, nor do simply just rely on a blogger:

Anti Muslim attacks: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/far-right-in-europe-sees-opportunity-after-wave-of-terror-in-france/2015/01/12/94cb5fdc-99e3-11e4-86a3-1b56f64925f6_story.html

Boko Story Wall St Journal  http://www.wsj.com/articles/scores-die-in-cameroon-fighting-between-military-and-boko-haram-1421157456

 
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2015, 11:40:28 AM »
I got this from somebody:

A German's View on Islam. Hard to argue with this. This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear.
Easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’
‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'
‘We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’
‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’
‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’
‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores.’
‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’
‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’


This explanation reminds me of a couple of my friends who were in the Battle of the Bulge in WWII. They said that up until that particular fight, they 'aimed to keep Jerry's head down, and running back toward Germany'. After that battle, they 'aimed lower, and more accurately'. They all agree on the result: after that sea-change in their thinking, it took a lot less ammo and time to push the fanatic enemy they faced toward their home.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2015, 12:42:01 PM »
70CB750:

That articles claim about zones in the UK being no-go zones for British police was pretty well debunked the last few days, a talking head on Fox and to apologize to the city of Birmingham...

There are areas where the Islamic people try to walk the streets and tell people what to wear etc..but they are being actively suppressed by UK authorities.

I am sure there are examples of strife, and I am sure some blogger has posted some version that strife that conforms to your post.  Could it be someone on the internet stretched the truth??  :o ::) :o
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Anti Muslim attacks: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/far-right-in-europe-sees-opportunity-after-wave-of-terror-in-france/2015/01/12/94cb5fdc-99e3-11e4-86a3-1b56f64925f6_story.html

Boko Story Wall St Journal  http://www.wsj.com/articles/scores-die-in-cameroon-fighting-between-military-and-boko-haram-1421157456

 

Bobby; I was not referring to your posts, just to the claim that parts of the UK had become no-go zones.

As I have said in my earlier posts, I can only see revenge as the answer to what the terrorists are doing.  No other viable answer is available to the West.
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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2015, 09:51:02 AM »
Here is the new cover of the magazine:

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« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2015, 10:55:47 AM »
Means "All is forgiven"

What is admirable is that pretty much all the media outlets have reproduced it. Some are still reluctant (WTF?) and this is even more admirable: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/muslim-leaders-support-charlie-hebdos-right-to-offend/story-fnpdbcmu-1227183948638?nk=63c98d38bc8542abd8ea69202584bb03

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« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2015, 11:06:58 AM »
That is being hotly debated. Some newspapers won;t print it. TV stations blur it out. Where there is free speech there is the possibility of offending someone.
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« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2015, 11:17:15 AM »
That's the exact point of freedom of speech. Agree or not, anyone can express their ideas, no one should be punished for it. Being offended is not punishment.

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« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2015, 12:35:39 PM »
I saw an interesting comment on a UK forum regarding the reprinting of Charlie Hebdo cartoons. The contributor reckoned it was good to reprint them "but not the more offensive ones". What does that mean ? That is one person's take on censorship. Freedom of speech and expression is all or it is nothing, IMHO.

Crazy week here in France, been glued to the TV since Friday. People here are really appreciative of the support we received globally. The police are now everybody's newest bestest friend, but seriously anyone who puts themselves in harms way to protect the civil population is my friend and gets my respect. The scenes at the funeral of the three dead officers yesterday were heart rending. The burials in Jerusalem just as much so.

As noted earlier, the security campaign here is now massive, and the determination huge that these punks will not prevail. We are enjoying a very significant period of National Unity, I guess though politics will resume in earnest in the near future.

I tried to buy a copy of Charlie today, no chance, all sold out.

My favourite banner from the rally in Paris on Sunday was one that said in French, English and Arabic "You missed" !! Ha Ha

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« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2015, 12:59:54 PM »
vfour,

Can you help me understand what seems to me to be a paradox with respect to French reactions? I am asking this to understand, not judge. On the one hand there seems to be vast support for the publication's right to publish what they do. They would be equally supported to do so here in the U.S. On the other, there are strong laws in France (and elsewhere in Europe) that ban "hate speech." We have folks here who engage in such speech, but we rely more on social support, or lack thereof to limit the influence of such groups. As I understand it, someone was just arrested and jailed in France for espousing support for the terrorist act, as disgraceful as it was. Given that Charlie Hebdo typically produced 60,000 copies of their magazine, in a country the size of France and a city the size of Paris, this is a small publication so it seems it had little widespread support for what it was doing. How do we reconcile this here in the U.S? Again, this is to understand, not to judge.
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« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2015, 01:50:36 PM »
.. there is a difference between free speech and advocating violence. Perhaps the arrestee was doing more than expressing his right to free speech and espousing continued acts.

Couldn't agree more. However, in the case I have in mind, the details seem sketchy in terms of actually advocating more violence, not sure though.

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« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2015, 01:51:35 PM »
I saw an interesting comment on a UK forum regarding the reprinting of Charlie Hebdo cartoons. The contributor reckoned it was good to reprint them "but not the more offensive ones". What does that mean ? That is one person's take on censorship. Freedom of speech and expression is all or it is nothing, IMHO.


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« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2015, 02:56:37 PM »
As a Comment yes christian prayers have stopped in Ontario schools about 25-30 years ago because of a challenge by a  jew, muslim, and atheist there also may have been a christian thrown in as well to a school board so it's not news and it was for mandatory opening prayers as far as muslim prayers in school go it's in a "multi faith" room which means every one gets a shot at prayers. Mandatory prayers are out for everyone.
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« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2015, 03:03:22 PM »
Bob I'm pretty sure that he actively uses hate in his act I seem to remember something from a while a go and it was pretty nasty. According to the Beeb he's being investigated because he mocked the beheading of an US journalist by ISIS some people didn't think that was as funny as it might have been.
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