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Seeley 519
« on: January 24, 2015, 06:12:12 AM »
Seeley Intro

Well as some of you know I have a Seeley Honda that I am going to start building.

I have been playing around in the hobby for a while now.  Started my first SOHC CB750 over ten years ago and that bike still isn’t finished! 

Can see the unfinished CB750F behind the Seeley.
Have learned a lot about bikes, projects and how to have fun over the years.  My main focus has always been vintage Honda motorcycles.  My one bike has followed me from working at a florist to becoming a professional mechanic (aircraft and boats), to returning to school to get my engineering degree and finally to a full time job in the robotics industry.  Well now I am living in Albany and trying not to wear out my welcome at a local friends garage.  Funny that before I had a two-car garage before, but little time/money, now I can get the time, but don’t have my own place to wrench on….. 

I very much enjoy the hunt for rare and interesting stuff.  My main passion has been for old race bits for the CB750, but this thrill of the hunt extends to other hobbies too.  Some claim that I have ADD with “stuff” but I find it soothing to learn about stuff and then become involved with people that know more about it.

Background on Seeley:
Colin Seeley was a racer and frame builder.  Most know him more for his Norton framed bikes, but in May of 1975 he started making frames for the Honda CB750.  The basic idea was you could buy his frame, tank, seat and a few other parts and swap everything else from your standard SOHC in.  Bikes were sold complete as well.  I’m actually unsure as to what option was more prevalent.  Many say that the Seeley frame was one of the stiffest of the “specials”.  By the time Seeley stopped making SOHC Honda frames just over 300 where made.

Background on the project:
Over the summer in 2014 the parts of this project were listed on SOHC4.  I was thrilled to see something so interesting for sale.  It had been a while since I had seen any special frames listed anywhere for years.  Was even more shocked to find out it was within a two-hour radius of me!  Well as always the asking price was well outside of my price range, but then again I might just be to cheap for my own good.  I talked to the owner and offered some help in finding a person that would be interested in it.  The project got listed on CL and NYCVinMoto.  I assumed that the next time I saw it the bike would be in amazing shape and parked next to a Seeley Norton at NYCNorton.

Seriously, how sexy is that thing?  I farted near it once.  And a good friend became violently ill after seeing it.  Unsure if that reaction was that he was overcome with the beauty or the Jamaican beef paddies that he had 5 of on top of a case of IPA…..Either way there is still a stain in the middle of a tollbooth.
But without getting to sappy and using lines like “as fate would have it” the bike didn’t get the attention I thought it would and the seller hopped it would get.  I made an offer and we agreed on it.  Took the drive out and found out how much cool you could pack into a VW CC.

Drove everything to the wonderful motorcycle show at Works Engineering in Brooklyn and tried to enter into the show for fun...
After that it unfortunately sat in my basement for a little bit.  I finished my degree and started a new adult life in NY’s capital.  Spent most of this winter shuttling junk from Long Island here, setting up a new tool box and trying to beg borrow and steal shop space to work.

Well I am finally at a point that I will start turning wrenches on the bike so figured a thread was in order. 

Will update with details on the project and goals latter.

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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2015, 06:49:42 AM »
K, I'm in. Got a box this week. Yep UPS left ARD again, gotta love those boys! Haha. Lol. William,  it and Webers may have to go on next build, we'll see! Good Luck,Bill
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2015, 07:10:41 AM »
Well you know what I am looking for so if you have spares please let me know....

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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2015, 07:29:41 AM »
Oh, I will! Might need your help if I run it!  ;D Bill
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 07:36:26 AM »
Nice find on the Seeley bits...and yeah that Seeley Norton is the tits!

Good luck on the project.

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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2015, 07:55:12 AM »
Oh, I will! Might need your help if I run it!  ;D Bill
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2015, 07:59:03 AM »
YES!

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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2015, 09:16:05 AM »
Awesome find, Jag!  Kenny Cummings' Seeley Norton's are jaw/panty dropping. Truly purpose-built and beautifully crated. Looking forward to this build.

Carpy had a complete Seeley but I think he sold it to expand his business. He may have some spares.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2015, 03:28:19 PM »
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2015, 03:38:28 PM »
I saw the "Seeley Honda" mentioned and had no idea what that meant.  Went to Wikipedia and read his story.  Very, very cool.  Definitely subscribed to watch this one.
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2015, 03:41:53 PM »
Fcuk yeah! Sex on wheels. I'm in. That Norton is unadulterated bike porn.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2015, 04:09:41 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2015, 02:11:10 AM »
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2015, 07:05:02 AM »
"Some claim that I have ADD with “stuff” but I find it soothing to learn about stuff and then become involved with people that know more about it."

First of all, welcome to my world. I'm a near expert on Corvairs, Edsels, WJ body style Jeep Grand Cherokees...lmao

Secondly - you can't be THAT ADD since you have a freaking engineering degree. I don't think they just hand those things out...

Now with all of the interest in this thread, you're going to HAVE to finish this one. And that other one looks pretty close...you might as well do that one next. ha!
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2015, 09:03:29 AM »
Awesome find, Jag!  Kenny Cummings' Seeley Norton's are jaw/panty dropping. Truly purpose-built and beautifully crated. Looking forward to this build.

Carpy had a complete Seeley but I think he sold it to expand his business. He may have some spares.

Kenny is a friend of a friend.  I have had the privilege of seeing it at his shop.  Cool guy and great bike.
Carpy did have one for a while.


I saw the "Seeley Honda" mentioned and had no idea what that meant.  Went to Wikipedia and read his story.  Very, very cool.  Definitely subscribed to watch this one.


Just get stuck reading all kinds of interesting stuff.  Interesting what different people did back in the day to race these bikes

Fcuk yeah! Sex on wheels. I'm in. That Norton is unadulterated bike porn.

Got to see it in person, or better yet hear it in anger.

"Some claim that I have ADD with “stuff” but I find it soothing to learn about stuff and then become involved with people that know more about it."

First of all, welcome to my world. I'm a near expert on Corvairs, Edsels, WJ body style Jeep Grand Cherokees...lmao

Secondly - you can't be THAT ADD since you have a freaking engineering degree. I don't think they just hand those things out...

Now with all of the interest in this thread, you're going to HAVE to finish this one. And that other one looks pretty close...you might as well do that one next. ha!

Maybe ADD is a bad term, maybe OCD is better.  I tend to hone in on something and dive in deep.
Plan is to do this bike first and then get back to my CB/CR after that.  But im sure something else will pop up in-between like it always does.

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2015, 09:14:20 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2015, 09:39:56 AM »
Subscribed.  What's first?

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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2015, 09:40:39 AM »
The start of the project:

I was lucky enough that the base of this project came with most of the Seeley pieces in order to build this up.  The frame is straight and doesn’t show any signs of being wrecked, rusted, smashed or any other issues.  At some point the side stand was removed, unsure as to why or what I will need to do to put on back on the bike.  The frame came with a correct alloy tank, a seat and the motor mounts.  Interesting that the motor mounts are stamped with the frame number, as is the swing arm.
You can see what the basic parts where that Seeley made.

I am missing a few bits though.
-Rear axle adjustors and swing arm caps.
-Rearset plate and pegs
Neither seen to be a massive hurdle to overcome but will need to be dwelt with.

My bike is number 519 or the 19th bike to be built.  I assume that it was built in May or June of 1975.  No date stamp on the frame.  SH7-519 is the only stampings that I can see.  Originally I had thought that the frame was a race bike, as it was not nickel-plated.  Any of the road bikes I had ever seen where pated frames, the race bikes were painted.  I have learned that the race bikes used an “S” suffix; mine does not have this so I guess it was a street bike?  Doesn’t make a whole lot of difference, just trying to learn more about the history.  Odd that the swing arm is plated.  I will dig deeper into the frame, but I really do not think the paint is hiding plating. 

I feel that I have enough of the “special” parts to get this bike back on the road with the help of a good parts bike.  I have already acquired most of the parts needed to mock the bike up and see what’s what.  I am working on the idea that the hard part of building a bike like this is tracking down the special parts.  Once that hurdle is jumped the rest should fall into place in much the same way as a stock bike restoration would.  Well that might be easier said then done, but we will see.  For myself the challenge of tracking down rare parts, learning about the history of them and meeting the people along the way is very appealing.

Plan is to get the bike back on the road in “as found” condition.  While I have no provenance with the bike, the back-story was that it had been brought over from the other side of the pond and at some point wound up in a large collection of bikes in PA.  No idea who owned it, what they did with it, or how it ended up like it did.  While it would be fun to know more about it, it is still going to be fun to take care of it now.

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2015, 11:05:57 AM »
Maybe your bike was planned/used as a track bike, hence no side stand?
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2015, 11:26:16 AM »
Maybe your bike was planned/used as a track bike, hence no side stand?
Could very well be true.

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2015, 12:52:36 PM »
very nice way to have something different!bill
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2015, 06:12:23 PM »
Your bike did have a side-stand, but since the mount was damaged, your PO removed it. The Seeley mount was fragile at best; mine was ripped halfway off the frame tube when I got the bike. As it was a super PITA to heave it onto the center-stand every time I stopped, it didn't take much time before I carved out a side-stand mount out of 5/16" (?) steel, mounted under the rear engine bolt. Note the pin that prevents the mount from rotating; I'm guessing this was used to locate stock foot-pegs, although I've never seen them used. ;)
 
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2015, 06:29:07 PM »
Yes the PO did remove the side stand. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2015, 06:35:41 PM »
Your bike did have a side-stand, but since the mount was damaged, your PO removed it. The Seeley mount was fragile at best; mine was ripped halfway off the frame tube when I got the bike. As it was a super PITA to heave it onto the center-stand every time I stopped, it didn't take much time before I carved out a side-stand mount out of 5/16" (?) steel, mounted under the rear engine bolt. Note the pin that prevents the mount from rotating; I'm guessing this was used to locate stock foot-pegs, although I've never seen them used. ;)
 

Nice hardware Scott, those rearsets look real nice.
I also like that custom shifter cover, that is not a Seeley item, correct?
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Re: Seeley 519
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2015, 06:50:05 PM »
Thanks Steve. That's a K7 cover that I cut down CR style, shaved the shift pattern off, wet sanded with 400-600 grit, then hand polished with Mothers. That was a cabin-fever type project a few winters ago. ;D 
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