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Offline sebastienb

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How to test forks? Cb500k1
« on: February 09, 2015, 07:37:29 PM »
I bought a pair to replace my rusted ones on eBay, seller says they came off a working bike and they look brand new. Is there a way to check the condition of the forks besides visual appearance ? They look brand new and were taken off a working bike. If possible I would rather not open them up.

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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 05:28:17 AM »
To take them apart and inspect them visually would be worth it, in my opinion. They're not that complicated to take apart and reassemble with the help of a manual. That being said, I don't know of any specific thing to look for other than overall straightness and cleanliness before you put it back together. I went ahead and replaced the fork seals and the "piston rings" on the dampner on mine just for peace of mind.

If you're set on not taking them apart, the only other option I see would be to put them on the bike and put some weight on them to see how they feel.
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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 05:33:10 AM »
Fork oil turns grungy pretty fast.  Even if you don't want to disassemble them, you'll probably want to check or change the oil.

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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 06:10:52 AM »
While I agree that given you don't know when the oil was last changed in the forks you purchased, you can't always tell by draining the old oil, just how long it was in there.  A couple of months ago, I rebuilt my forks (CB750 K6) and in know for a fact the fork oil was last changed over 28 years ago.  The picture below shows the old fork oil as it drained out into the cup.

Many unknowns.  If it were me, I would do as Grinnin and Calj737 have said.  Drain and replace the old oil, and check to make sure the seals aren't leaking.

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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 07:26:56 AM »
Everyone that posted in the other duplicate of this thread pretty much said the same thing.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=144936.0


While they're off the bike, take the few minutes to pop the caps off the top and pull the springs out, at least.  The condition of the springs along with the fluid will tell you a lot about the condition of the shocks, and it will never be easier to change the fluid than it is right now.

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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 10:19:56 AM »
IMHO definitely want to disassemble em and look at the bottom of the lower stanchions.  IF there was ever even a tiny leak past the fork seals (and there are exactly zero old bikes with old seals that haven't leaked), you will find a disgusting thick blackish LaBrea Tar pits sort of gaaacky mess down there.  So when you leave that in place and put in nice fresh fork oil, the plunging action of your forks causes it to stir up and mix with that crap and you have just ruined your nice new fork oil. You may even have disturbed particles big enough to clot the damping tube holes which messes up the proper function of one or both fork legs.  To me, having the forks work correctly, where their main job is keeping the tire's contact patch connected with the tarmac as much as possible, is (kind of) a critical mission and I wanna make certain they are able to do that correctly.

Disassemble, clean meticulously, and be sure to clean the inside walls of both tubes -- I use a cheap shotgun cleaning kit I have with patches soaked in acetone for this). Check your upper tubes for straightness by rolling them along a glass table top or similar true flat surface. they both must be perfectly round/linear cylinders or they need to be replaced ($120 or so for the set). If you are keeping the old ones, then check the surface of your upper tubes where they pass the fork seal through their full range of movement with your finest, most gentle fingertip touch.  IF there is pitting/scratches, those sharps will cut your new fork seal and you will have leaks (which create probs BOTH ways -- water can get in when washing the bike/riding in rain, and of course oil seeps out). IF you have those burrs, you can remove them: you can microfile or use fine grit emery cloth (400plus) to smooth down the high points, and fill any pits with the world's thinnest layer of JBweld (acetone or denatured alc first to prep surface). IF these dings/cuts are deep enough to have gouged in past the chrome layer, you probably wanna replace the tube. 

After it cures, work it with ever increasing grits of emery cloth (wetsanding very gently, using the curve as a guide - DON'T PRESS HARD down on the spot or you will create a "flat" that is just as bad as the highspot you're trying to remove).  I wrap a thin loop of the emery cloth around the forkleg and work it that way, slowly. Keep going till you get up to 1500 or even 2000 which feels basically like plain paper. Do the feel test again for roundness and smoothness at your repair.

Fun tip: I found that I can pick up far finer aberrations if I run my pinky tip over the metal with my EYES CLOSED and silence in the garage.  It focuses my attention on the tiniest of things there.  IF your manly fingers are too rough, get someone with tender fingertips. I once asked my daughter (who doesn't have guitarist/mechanic fingers) to check a fork tube. She found things I literally couldn't feel, but could SEE with a strong magnifying glass when she pointed them out. I fixed 'em :-)   Anyway, when it's smoother than smooth, reassemble with fresh oem copper washers at the 8mm lower fork oil control bolts and the m6 drain bolts and new fork seals PROPERLY INSTALLED.   And yes, this takes a bit of time, but once it is done, at least this will be one system on your bike about which you needn't worry for quite a long time.
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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 05:39:25 PM »
Thanks a lot guys, going to attempt to open them up. Sorry for the duplicate post, tapatalk kept giving me an error saying the posts were not saving and when I noticed it I got errors deleting the posts

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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 02:16:30 AM »
If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Mine served over 130.000 kms sofar without leaking (thanks to the harmonicarubbers that Honda abandoned later) and the last time I changed the fork fluid must be over 10 years ago. Will do this next spring.
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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 01:58:51 PM »
Fork oil has a limited life cycle.  One's subjective perception of whether this system is "broke" or not has more to do with one's riding style or general perceptiveness that whether the safety and performance of a bike's front end could be enhanced/improved.  It's a cheap enough thing to do (forkseals and fork oil and copper washers total like $30). I guarantee you that your exhausted front end and a refreshed one, placed on parallel shock dynos, would exhibit very different behaviors.  Ride otherwise identical bikes over the same section of a messed up road and the difference would become very quickly apparent.  Of course, if you never really go very quick, or corner much, maybe you wouldn't notice. Either way, I wouldn't take the chance since removing that particular variable is so very easy to do
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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 12:55:32 AM »
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Fork oil has a limited life cycle.
How about the oil in the rear shocks then?
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Re: How to test forks? Cb500k1
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 03:30:06 PM »
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Fork oil has a limited life cycle.
How about the oil in the rear shocks then?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they still function the way you want them to. The rear shocks that were on my 75 cb550 had no dampening at all, when I removed the springs from them to clean them up I could fully extend or compress the shocks with little or no effort either way which meant that anytime I went over a dip in the road or hit a bump the rear suspension acted as if I were riding a see-saw. Being they were non serviceable meant there was no shock oil to change or seals to replace, my only option was to replace them with new shocks. The rear shocks on the 75 gl1000 I had and the 83 gl1100 I currently own have rear shock absorbers that are serviceable so I have the option to change the oil or replace the seals in them however my GL manual doesn't say when or how often I should replace the oil in them unless of course I'm disassembling them to replace a faulty seal.
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