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Offline theslayedsaint

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It's time to give this baby some "power"
« on: February 22, 2015, 11:01:12 AM »
Ok... The long dreaded rewiring has begone on my almost finished 1974 cb750 "cafe racer"
Wanted to ask all of you great folks for any advice to start. I've kept the triangle and the harness but was thinking of just replacing all wires but keeping most everything else. Any thoughts on what is a must to replace or if I'm going about this wrong. Also any help with connecters shrink wrap or any other items I'll need and where to buy. Everything electronic wise is stock.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2015, 11:35:20 AM »
Connectors go bad, wires don't. Go through everything and replace the faulty connectors.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 12:11:02 PM »
http://www.vintageconnections.com has all the connectors you will every need.

Not sure what your goal is with the wiring.  Are you looking for that clean cafe triangle?  What is exactly wrong with the wiring?

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 01:34:13 PM »
And his site is down at the moment!  *cries* 

clean it up, check every connection, replace anything bad...  You can get new molex connectors from Cb750supply.com as well as probably other outfits as well. I was lucky...the only one I need is the fuse holder which I'm replacing with a modern blade type anyhow.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2015, 02:00:36 PM »
If you search up "Santee Box" you will find a super simple minimal wiring diagram. The chopper guys stripped out the harness and put the original necessary components in this box, presumably made by someone named Santee. You can locate the stuff anywhere it fits, under a cafe seat hump for example. You don't want a wet cell battery here - the vibration is severe - but a small "kick only" AGM battery would be fine.
Most of the "clean triangle" cafe bikes do this, and use a less intrusive oil tank. Custom frames can put the oil in a frame tube but that's a rather serious job with a stock frame.

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2015, 09:33:43 PM »
 I bought a replacement harness. Easy as pie. Find a color wiring diagram, print it and glue it to a piece of cardboard so you can lean it in an easy to see place. Use the blade style fuse holder you can get one at Carquest, it has 4 wires in and 4 out. most have a big feed in and 4 out.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2015, 06:31:17 AM »
Santee Industries was around from the 70s if not earlier, til 2007.
I used to become of their dealers, sold a long time of their pipes, and tanks.
 They made a cool 750 swingarm frame, and truckloads of the electric boxes.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 12:27:30 AM »
Hey Don what kind of bike was it? Was it a build or just a restore? Trying to figure out if just geting a harness would clean the bike up enough. Or if I should just make my own.
 
Dino have you made videos on YouTube about build a cb750? Your face looks like that guy..
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2015, 02:55:41 AM »
I hope this ain't too wordy...
My philosophy's kinda always been throw money at tools and consumable bits (and do a bunch of reading) rather than hard parts, especially when then option is to have tools and materials for the next project costs roughly the same or slightly more than throwing money at a questionable aftermarket product. Unsure if OEM is available from Honda. I just checked a site I use from time to time that provides decent, aftermarket stuff for our bikes. They sell harnesses for 69-71 and 73-75 for $72 right now. The rub: K0, K1, K2, K3&4 (maybe the same?), and K5 all have differences, so none are really plug and play without some head scratching (What DOES this brown/blue wire supposed to do??? Why does this green/red land here???, etc.).
Here's my bit: inspect all yr connectors. Clean female bullets with q-tips and something like Caig Detoxit D-5. Scuff males with fine-ish (220-300) sandpaper. Use tiny flathead to remove blade connections from blocks (mark the block for color, R, G, Y, etc). Carefully untape the whole harness. Take note and mark where sub-harnesses- dunno a better term... like, say, the wiring for the ignition switch- branch out. Look for those wires that melted together over the years. This is also the time to lose extraneous stuff like the neutral lock out wiring (and all the BS "repairs/mods" that the past 4 PO's did), if you so choose. Solder in wires to replace grilled cheese bits (check heat sink photo) and leave slack to measure to already mounted parts if new connectors are required. All the soldered connections I've seen left the factory with brown tape. Don't worry about heat shrink.
Check out vintageconnections.com . Del pretty much rules the world of quality electrical minutia for the machines we dig. Get 3.5 mm bullets to connect to stock harness, a crimp tool, whatever blocks that need replacing, and a roll of Scotch 33+ tape from him. A 30-45w soldering iron, a small roll of rosin core solder, and a couple of alligator clips and you're on yr way to rehabbing a better harness than aftermarket might provide.

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2015, 03:02:34 AM »
And here's the K0 wiring layout from Honda. Hope all this helps.

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It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2015, 05:02:20 AM »
Another place for bullet connectors, heat shrink, loom, etc. is www.cycleterminal.com. I thought the majority of my wire was hard and crap but after removing the harness tape and shielding it really seemed like new. Flexible and brightly colored. And as long as your solder joints are mechanically strong then you're good.

http://faq.ninja250.org/images/thumb/f/fd/Soldering_2.jpg/150px-Soldering_2.jpg


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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2015, 05:22:56 AM »

Dino have you made videos on YouTube about build a cb750? Your face looks like that guy..

yes he does the HackaweekTV channel. His videos are top-notch!
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2015, 09:31:05 AM »
if he is "him" he make some nice old elektronic devesies videoes.but think he are a avatar theif... ??? ???

. but on mc and autsides elektric ,vires go bad  often... specily in vet and kold climaes. korosion make copper go black..

this vire canser eats the vires from end konnektions. and inn
.i often cuts 10 -20 cm of mine vires and solder nev inn..schrenk flex is fantastic to fix this problems..
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i kan not speak english/but trying!!
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2015, 10:02:43 AM »

if he is "him" he make some nice old elektronic devesies videoes.but think he are a avatar theif... ??? ???
I'm pretty sure it is him, he has threads here following his progress and posts the weekly videos on the forum when he uploads them to Youtube.
vire canser

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2015, 07:58:24 AM »
Thanks guys! Lots of great info I'll hopefully be getting moving on this very shortly. I'll keep you folks posted on what I ended up doing.
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-4-1 stainless exhaust
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 08:44:41 AM »
I did the same thing this last year, and it was my first time wiring anything. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. In addition the the rest of the great advice here, I'd just add a couple of things. Go slowly and only work on one thing at a time. It can be easy to get confused on what goes where if you try to tackle it all at once. I started at the back of the bike and worked my way forward (that headlight bucket can be a mess!). Follow every wire to it's end, replace every connector possible, and clean/polish any that can't be replaced. By the time you get to the front of the bike you'll feel pretty confident. Good luck!

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2015, 08:45:59 AM »
Thanks again guys,
just so everyone is up to speed the bike is a complete build new everything only thing i'm looking to replace is the wires that go from each "item" i.e. headlight, turn signal, gauges and so fourth to the harness. everything else is new and has its own wiring. so the thought right now is to start at the triangle and reinstall everything back on to the battery box and then run a "backbone" wire to the front and one to the back and start wiring the headlight turn singles and gauges and back would have taillight and turn singles. after that i'm going to only replace what needs replacing or what ends up not working. check out the pictures to get a idea of what i'm working with. i'll make sure to post some more when I get moving. thanks again guys
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2015, 05:00:45 AM »
Is it just me or does your chain look super slack?
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Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
K5 Crankcase/Frame, K4 Head and Cylinders, K1 Carbs (42;120;1 Turn)

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »
hahah yeah its not done yet, but thanks for looking out for me.
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-4-1 stainless exhaust
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM »
Doesn't spec say like 3/4 - 1" of play? 
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2015, 09:14:30 PM »
honestly not a clue yet! but if someone wants to tell me then i'll be ready for that when it gets time.
but back to the power side of things can some one tell me what these guys are and if i need them?
the last one i know is the Safety Unit,motor but do i need it?
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 09:08:43 AM »
bump, any idea guys? i've been studying the wire Diagrams but still can't place those first two.
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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 09:53:51 AM »
Turn signal buzzer? What is the connection like at the end?
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1975 CB750K "Rhonda"
Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
K5 Crankcase/Frame, K4 Head and Cylinders, K1 Carbs (42;120;1 Turn)

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Calculating the correct input circumference for digital speedometers connected to the original speedometer drive

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Re: It's time to give this baby some "power"
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2015, 06:01:43 PM »
So here's where I'm at right now! I've gotten the headlight and speedo connected and working. But I can't get the turn signals and taillight to work yet. Hopefully I can figure out what is going on and then move on to getting a spark. Any tips would be nice. And don't judge me I'm really a clean person!
1974 CB750 custom build cafe racer
-849cc big bore
-Webcam 63a
-APE rods
-4-1 stainless exhaust
-GSXR front end