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Offline DMcD

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More silly questions......
« on: February 24, 2015, 02:49:18 PM »
You racing/fast people have been kind so far with my queries, so my next question is.......

I am on a bit of a limited budget on my 550 race replica build, I have got the big pistons, but if I have to pick from the following, or leave something out, what order would you put them in as far as bang for buck/value for money is concerned?   This will be a track day bike rather than a race bike.

Cr26/29 (sell one of my kids)
Cam (550 hot or fleabay 650)
Porting (might try that myself)
Dyna ignition
Dyna coils
Gearing
Have I missed anything

Or would you advise just to take an extra year and wait for everything?

I am not broke, but am trying to do this, while keeping the Mrs on side with home improvements.

Thankyou.



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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2015, 03:06:49 PM »
Take your time mate, its not a race... ;D  Leave out the CR's and use the stock carbs, at least its still rideable, get the CR's when money free's up... ;)
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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2015, 03:14:28 PM »
get rid of the wife , sod the home improvements and finnish the bike properly .

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2015, 03:15:13 PM »
get rid of the wife , sod the home improvements and finnish the bike properly .


For crying out loud Simon, tell us what you really think.... ;D ;D ;)
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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2015, 03:24:41 PM »
i raced with VM26 (actually 27mm ID) which can be had for a fraction of the cost of CRs, easier to tune and idle better, flow was good enough for 55 rwhp from a 500cc motor...
ignition was a transplanted early gsxr stuff, again, peanuts off breakers /  ebay, more reliable than dyna, easy to do.
porting self made, but would find a duff  head and train on it before....

so yo need only a cam ;)

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2015, 03:30:53 PM »
i raced with VM26 (actually 27mm ID) which can be had for a fraction of the cost of CRs, easier to tune and idle better, flow was good enough for 55 rwhp from a 500cc motor...
ignition was a transplanted early gsxr stuff, again, peanuts off breakers /  ebay, more reliable than dyna, easy to do.
porting self made, but would find a duff  head and train on it before....

so yo need only a cam ;)

Hi TG, have you done a thread on the GSXR ignition conversion..?
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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2015, 05:50:28 PM »
You can manage some level of porting yourself. There is hidden power in the head, and there are experts here who will unleash it for you, but for year 1, it's not beyond you. Perhaps save dough where you can but invest in a good cam. However if you get a hardweld cam get your rockers hardwelded as well.  Cams aren't horrible but getting the rockers welded is $$, but after four race seasons mine look like new.

Stock carbs will work fine to get you running. TG mentioned the Mikuni VM26 carbs. They were used on many bikes but look at the 70's Kawasaki's and since you have been doing your own fabrication, you can alter the intake manifolds to match the Kawasaki carb spacing which is close to Honda's port spacing. In effect your straightening the "S" out of the manifolds. I went this direction too but in the end switched to 29mm Mic smoothbores.

If you have the bottom end freshened, the head/cam/carbs can be breathed on at a later date. If you're going to the track you might want to put longer shocks on the rear. Perching up the back end will reduce the rake and help it turn plus give a little extra ground clearance. However, if you do this it should be noted there is a loss of trail. TG used NSR125 triple clamps (35mm offset instead of 45)which is another easy solution and brings the trail # back to near stock. Fork spacing and diameter is identical.

Even a stock engine in a chassis that turns, handles, and brakes well is way more fun to ride than a stocker with an engine making twice the HP. Better to focus on these thing first.
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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 11:24:47 PM »
All great advice, Thankyou.

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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2015, 02:03:05 PM »
i raced with VM26 (actually 27mm ID) which can be had for a fraction of the cost of CRs, easier to tune and idle better, flow was good enough for 55 rwhp from a 500cc motor...
ignition was a transplanted early gsxr stuff, again, peanuts off breakers /  ebay, more reliable than dyna, easy to do.
porting self made, but would find a duff  head and train on it before....

so yo need only a cam ;)

Hi TG, have you done a thread on the GSXR ignition conversion..?

i raced with VM26 (actually 27mm ID) which can be had for a fraction of the cost of CRs, easier to tune and idle better, flow was good enough for 55 rwhp from a 500cc motor...
ignition was a transplanted early gsxr stuff, again, peanuts off breakers /  ebay, more reliable than dyna, easy to do.
porting self made, but would find a duff  head and train on it before....

so yo need only a cam ;)

Hi TG, have you done a thread on the GSXR ignition conversion..?

everything posted in my build thread, just cant find it...

it's so simple that you dont really need a thread :)

just grab all ignition parts off an up to 95' gsxr, the rotor simple bolts on and you just need to mount the pick up in the right position

if i find the thread ill post a link

update: brent has even better pictures....

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107424.msg1203228#msg1203228
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 02:07:28 PM by turboguzzi »

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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2015, 02:23:47 PM »
Thanks TG.... ;)
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Re: More silly questions......
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 02:48:27 PM »
get rid of the wife , sod the home improvements and finnish the bike properly .

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