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Offline craig

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Honda 400/4 heavy clutch spring presure information please
« on: February 28, 2015, 02:12:43 AM »
Honda 400/4 heavy clutch\
The clutch feels very heavy, cable is good and routed correct, clutch spring free length 31mm, fitted length @24mm, I have the equipment for measuring the fitted poundage but what should it be? I’m wondering if heavier springs have been fitted. Thanks

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Re: Honda 400/4 heavy clutch spring presure information please
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2015, 02:31:04 AM »
can't help you on the spring weights but if you aren't used to older bikes the clutch and throttle can feel a wee bit stiff.
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Re: Honda 400/4 heavy clutch spring presure information please
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2015, 02:36:40 AM »
thanks , I have a few bikes starting from 1913 foot clutch , but this one does not feel right for a Honda clutch , the bike has been raced but I want to ride on the road , I see EBC do the springs but state heavy duty , im wondering if they are fitted in this case and I need standard , is the 400/4 clutch prone to slipping?   \
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Re: Honda 400/4 heavy clutch spring presure information please
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2015, 09:08:37 AM »
I wouldn't say it's "prone" to slipping, but power upgrades (466 kit and cam like I have, for example) do overwhelm it. The options are stickier plates or stronger springs.
I tried Barnett plates but they are a total pain. OK, they lock up very very well... but you get lots of crud in the oil (fibres?) but, more disturbing, the plates stick together hard overnight and insanely solidly after a week or so: overnight you either free them by kicking with the clutch in or braking in gear with the rear wheel off the road (centre stand) or the bike jerks and CLUNK!s when you engage first gear. After a week, freeing the clutch is really necessary or the bike takes off (or stalls) when you engage first.
With new OEM plates the clutch still slipped at high speed and full throttle. Adding new OEM springs it was better but still slipped when hot. With stronger springs on the still relatively new OEM plates (I think they are Burnett springs) I have no slippage but the lever pull is definitely harder. Early season city rides with lots of clutch action are to be avoided! After a few weeks my left hand regains strength (I do use a squeeze exerciser in winter, but not enough!).
Confirm your friction plates are not overly worn and the springs are within OEM specs (service limit data is in the service manual) before looking further. With a stock engine the clutch should never slip. A PO who liked to try wheelies (not easy on a 400F because of the frame geometry and forward weigh bias) will have worn out the clutch plates, and the springs shorten over time from continuously sitting compressed.
Checking the springs is easy,but you need a clutch nut tool of some sort to get that apart for inspecting the plates. And a clutch case gasket, unless you're very lucky and careful.