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MotoGP heating up
« on: October 13, 2006, 07:21:04 AM »
Should be an interesting race this weekend.  I was just reading up on some gossip at superbikeplanet.com.

Seems like Honda is doing all they can to NOT help Hayden win the title.  Every other Honda on the grid can launch with no problem, but Hayden's clutch gets fragged at the start of the last three races and loses him several positions. 

Now the engineering powerhouse says it CAN'T BE FIXED??  W...T...F????  Also Honda says there are no team orders to give Hayden any help, this after the FIM blatantly ignored and later apologized about letting Rossi pass under yellow at Philip Island.  It seems Hayden has the cards stacked against him.  Do they really not want an American champ that bad? 

Or as some sites suggest, maybe they're just sandbagging and waiting to unleash the hounds on Rossi.  Regardless, he is the best rider in the series and Hayden will need to up his game or get some help to hold on to the championship.

Oh yeah, has anybody heard of this Ilmor motorcycle?  Kind of slipped in under the radar, but they're going to race the last two rounds and compete next year with an 800cc.  Gary McCoy is coming back to ride for them.  That should be fun to watch.  He always seems about .002 seconds away from crashing.  Dude can ride a bike on the ragged edge for sure.


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Motorcycling: Hayden limping to finish as Rossi preys on frayed nerves
By Rick Broadbent
 
 
 
NICKY HAYDEN can become the first man to dethrone Valentino Rossi for six years this weekend, but he arrived in Portugal with fate, momentum and even his team seemingly against him.
While Rossi, a master of mind games, championed the motivation and concentration of his crew, his American rival would have been stunned to hear Honda’s top brass say that they cannot solve his clutch problem.

 
 
An unguarded remark by Satoru Horiike, the Honda Racing Club managing director, suggests that Hayden may be clutching at straws in Estoril as Rossi prepares for his most dramatic tilt at the MotoGP title yet. Having trailed Hayden by 51 points four races ago, the lead is down to 12 and Rossi is preying on fraying nerves.

“Of course we know we could have won more races if we’d been like this earlier in the season,” the Italian said, underscoring the belief that Yamaha are in the ascendancy, whereas Hayden’s Repsol Honda team are limping towards the line.

“We can’t fix it,” Horiike said of Hayden’s clutch after a test in Japan. The mechanics have been working round the clock to come up with a solution, but another bad start would hand the initiative to Rossi. Hayden most recently won on home turf at Laguna Seca but since then he has been fourth, ninth and fifth twice. Rossi has not been off the podium in that time.

“Since Brno [in the Czech Republic in August], when we finally understood what we needed to do to make our bike work at 100 per cent, we’ve been very strong everywhere,” Rossi said. “We’re as strong as our rivals now and when we’re at the maximum we’re always going to be fighting at the front. Everyone involved has helped bring us back to this level. The team ’s level of motivation and concentration is the best in the paddock. It’s incredible.”

Rossi publicly dismissed his prospects of winning a sixth successive title after a difficult beginning to the season in which he failed to finish in China, France and the United States. However, no one is better in a crisis and Hayden hardly seemed in an upbeat mood as he looked ahead to Sunday’s showdown.

“It’s probably the track on the whole calendar that I’ve got the least experience at,” he said. “I missed one year there because of my knee and collarbone, last year was a wet race and I struggled a lot and I’ve never tested here.”

Hayden did claim that the team had made progress in testing at Motegi, but Horiike’s remark may be the more telling. Although Hayden and Rossi seem sure to decide the outcome of an enthralling season, three other riders, Marco Melandri, Loris Cap-irossi and Dani Pedrosa, have mathematical chances of winning the title.

Ilmor, the Northamptonshire-based company, launches its 800cc bike in Estoril today. Garry McCoy, the Australian rider, will ride the bike in the final two races of the season. Ilmor has been hugely successful in NASCAR and Formula One, in which it won the World Championship with McLaren in 1998 and 1999.

How they stand

1, N Hayden (US, Repsol Honda) 236 (2 race wins)


2, V Rossi (It, Camel Yamaha) 224 (5)


3, M Melandri (It, Fortuna Honda) 209 (3)


4, L Capirossi (It, Ducati Marlboro) 205 (3)


5, D Pedrosa (Sp, Repsol Honda) 202 (2)


Races left

Sixteenth round (Estoril, Portugal) Sunday

Seventeenth round (Valencia, Spain) Oct 29
 
 

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Re: MotoGP heating up
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2006, 08:12:42 AM »
isnt the fim based in france,if so nuff said
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2006, 12:43:45 PM »
isnt the fim based in france,if so nuff said

Please clarify....
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2006, 12:50:35 PM »
Or as some sites suggest, maybe they're just sandbagging and waiting to unleash the hounds on Rossi.

I heard that Hayden will be riding an extensively modified bike for the last two rounds, and that Honda is throwing parts (= $$$) at him left right and centre. If they do not win the title this year I suspect that some people will be throwing themselves on their swords!

I like the fact the Rossi is being up front and saying that the Yamaha is working really well (and pity it wasn't like that earlier on in the season), and that he feels optimistic about the last two races. It's his championship to win, but somehow I think that Hayden will pull it together. And as for the 'no team orders'......bollocks. If Hayden is in with a shout they will do whatever they have to do, and if that means Pedrosa stepping up to the plate to run interference, I think it will happen.

All the same I'm looking forward to settling in on Sunday am (9.30am PT, Speed Channel) to watch the fun.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2006, 02:19:56 PM »
We'll see. I'm pretty sure Rossi will win it . He's a racer, Hayden is just a guy riding a fast Honda. Hayden shouldn't #$%* about his bike, Pedrosa is riding the same one and hasn't complained about his clutch. The Fortune Honda's are doing Ok too with their clutch, so it's just an excuse.

And why is Hayden complaining about his clutch when Pedrosa has no problems with it. You don't hear Rossi #$%*ing about the topspeed of his Yamaha. Rossi is looking forward to these last two races. he would love to be behind Hayden in 2nd a lap before the end of the race, hayden would #$%* his pants if that happened,

The issue of Rossi passing under a yellow flag; the FIM openly said they didn't see it while it happened, so they didn't penalize him during the race. It's doesn't make much sense to do it afterwards either, they should do that during the race really. It's not uncommon for a rider to miss a yellow flag.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 02:26:23 PM »
And why is Hayden complaining about his clutch when Pedrosa has no problems with it.

Remember that Pedrosa weighs only about 100lbs, soaking wet, so is possibly not putting as much 'strain' on the bike. Yes, I know, I'm clutching at straws here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 02:29:35 PM »
Actually Hayden's bike is completely different to all the other Honda's on the grid, including Pedrosa's, and has been all year. I must admit though that I do find it peculiar that his clutch has only started giving him trouble in the latter half of the season, I don't understand why they can't just revert to the previous set-up, that obviously worked well enough to put Hayden on eight consecutive podiums ???
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2006, 02:50:35 PM »
Actually Hayden's bike is completely different to all the other Honda's on the grid, including Pedrosa's, and has been all year. I must admit though that I do find it peculiar that his clutch has only started giving him trouble in the latter half of the season, I don't understand why they can't just revert to the previous set-up, that obviously worked well enough to put Hayden on eight consecutive podiums ???

Maybe that would be an admission of failure, with the resulting huge loss of 'face'. We all know how entrenched Honda can be at times.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2006, 02:51:19 PM »
I understand that the 2007 formula is 800cc four cylinders - so all Honda have to do is lop one cylinder off the 1000cc V5 and away they go...

Now then 800cc V Four.

Sounds familiar...  They could call it the VFR800  :o


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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2006, 02:54:39 PM »
I understand that the 2007 formula is 800cc four cylinders - so all Honda have to do is lop one cylinder off the 1000cc V5 and away they go...
Now then 800cc V Four.
Sounds familiar...  They could call it the VFR800  :o

Is it four cylinders in the new bike?? Or are they staying with five?
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2006, 03:04:03 PM »
See report here
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2006, 03:11:16 PM »
See report here

Thanks for that, Steve. How the world turns....seems not long ago the Honda were kings of the V4 with the RC30 and RC45, which they then gave up on to beat Ducati at their own game with the RC51. Of course World Supers are a different kettle of fish to MotoGP...

But you make a valid point with the VFR800 reference. We are much more likely to see a V4 road bike with engineering trickle down from racing, than a V5.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2006, 06:22:43 PM »
No doubt Rossi can be regarded as one of the best there has ever been, but don't tell me Hayden is just some dude on a fast bike. He deserves to be where he is, even though he may need to pull a rabbit out of his hat this weekend.

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2006, 06:32:44 PM »
I think Honda will be waayyyy ahead of the other bikes next year.  It's seems they've already put considerable effort into the new bike.  This can only be good for some trickle-down technology for us common folk.  Maybe they'll put the V-5 out to pasture in the next VFR.

As for Hayden, he tries not to complain too much but he is saddled with the top seat at HRC.  His is the 'development' bike.  He gets thrown a new clutch here, a new swingarm there, new head, new exhaust, etc. during the season and is expected to sort it out for the rest of the Honda riders.  Rossi, Biaggi and Giberneau all had that job at one point and all #$%*ed about it to some extent.

I can see how screwing around with new parts while the Doctor is breathing down your neck could get anybody frazzled.  He's getting a good test both on and off the track with Honda.  It's a big deal to have the pressure of Honda Racing Corporation riding on your back.  Of course for the $6 million a year or whatever it pays, it ain't bad work.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2006, 08:35:36 PM »
Well tsflstb you're probably right, and that's about what happened with the RC211.

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2006, 09:20:11 PM »
I think Honda will be waayyyy ahead of the other bikes next year.  It's seems they've already put considerable effort into the new bike.

I agree. But who is going to have the intuitive 'feel' to give them the feedback they need to make it a winner? Rossi has that touch; I cannot think of anyone else that does. So if Yamaha has a so-so 800 with Rossi on board and Honda only has.......... my money would still be on Yamaha. And believe me I don't like thinking that since no one wants Honda to be back at number one than me.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2006, 12:11:34 AM »
you make a valid point with the VFR800 reference. We are much more likely to see a V4 road bike with engineering trickle down from racing, than a V5.

Happened already Nick (1998).

The VFR800 was a completely new bike after the VFR750.  Mine's an RC46 (loosely based on the RC45)
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2006, 10:07:02 AM »
The VFR800 was a completely new bike after the VFR750.  Mine's an RC46 (loosely based on the RC45)

Yup. Had one Steve. A '00. Sold it to get the Norton. Even had the licence plate 'RC 46'.

http://www.micapeak.com/reg/view/    scroll down.
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Error on your link Nick (?)
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2006, 10:28:38 AM »
Error on your link Nick (?)

Yes, you have to do it the long way. Go to: micapeak.com

Registries (right hand side, scroll down)
Click on Honda VFR
View only a subset of the registry: Canada western
Scroll down about halfway to find my entry. JH2RC4627YM200092

This is a great site for finding information, from the source, about many different kinds of motorcycles.
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Re: MotoGP heating up
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2006, 12:31:36 PM »
Me too...had a '92 for a few years.  Put about 30K miles on it.  It was a great bike, but with marriage and kids I just couldn't find the time to get out and stretch its legs.



Anyway, qualifying is done for tomorrow's race and looks like it's going to be a good one.

1.  Rossi
2.  Edwards
3.  Hayden
4.  Pedrosa

If I were Honda, I'd put Pedrosa on some soft tires and get him in front of Rossi early.  Keep him from checking out.

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2006, 01:33:07 PM »
We haven't put Edwards into the equation yet. He is a tough cookie and is pefectly capable of holding up the show if he is behind Rossi, but in front of Hayden. He'll be wanting to put in a ride anyway because I think his job may be in jeopardy for next year. The plot thickens!
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2006, 01:43:05 PM »
Here's a good up-to-the-minute review:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/motogp/moto/33347/
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2006, 09:44:37 AM »
OMG!!!!!!!!!!! Pedrosa has just taken Hayden out!!!! and it's only the first few minutes of the race!!!!
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2006, 10:07:04 AM »
Stunned i cannot understand how a accident like this could happen.The bump before should have been enough to couse caution on Pedrosas part, unbelievable.