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Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:16:49 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB-/331501969579

Wonder if this will top out for more $$$ than Vic World's bike did on eBay last year?  With over 4 days to go, anything is possible.

I haven't seen this posted here yet, so sorry if it's a double.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 10:19:10 AM »
Already up to $35k. That is pretty darn good for a rider with 24,000 miles on it.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 10:30:25 AM »
Wonder if this will top out for more $$$ than Vic World's bike did on eBay last year?  With over 4 days to go, anything is possible.
Not even close.  That VW bike was a prototype.  One of four IIRC.  This one will bring in considerably less, but still way more than i can afford  ;D  Its a beauty, though.  8)
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 10:39:39 AM »
Yes it is about a sweet as they get but you're right it's not in the same class as the prototype.  I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $40K though.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 02:51:39 PM »
When MarkB is done with his latest, that would be the benchmark.  World class.  Noting will beat that prototype
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 05:08:33 PM »
I'm no Sandcast expert, but I'f never heard this before:

"Honda shipped engines & chassis in separate crates to be assembled in California"
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 05:20:40 PM »
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 05:27:14 PM »
I did hear that the sandcast bikes were built in california not sure the details
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2015, 07:31:36 PM »
The SOHC 750's were all built in Japan and shipped over.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 07:49:30 PM »
 I read the engines were stored, then pulled out to be installed with no regard for the numbers. Some engines were repaired and put back in line, there are bikes with the original engine number lower than the frame number too.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 08:54:39 PM »
That is correct. If they failed their quality check, they were pulled from the line and sent back for repair. The line kept moving. Repaired engines were then put back on the line where ever it was at the time. The demand for these bikes was so high, Honda was doing everything they could to ship complete bikes.

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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 05:42:06 AM »
When MarkB is done with his latest, that would be the benchmark.
Thanks for the nice compliment but I think an early, original in this kind of shape is worth more than a restored one of the same vintage.  #97 was really beyond keeping original so I had little choice but to restore it.  If it were done I might consider selling it to buy this one.  :o ;D
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 09:06:34 AM »
I read the engines were stored, then pulled out to be installed with no regard for the numbers. Some engines were repaired and put back in line, there are bikes with the original engine number lower than the frame number too.

All of the engines were made in different factories in Japan than the frames and then assembled in another factory and I don't know of any that came with matching frame/engine numbers.

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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 10:12:43 AM »
I would like to see this one crack the $40K mark...I'd like to think mine would bring a little over half of what this one does.

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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2015, 10:19:39 AM »
Looks stalled at $35K. only 2 guys are bidding on it. What I can't understand is why the current bid holder went from $26.5K to $35K the next day with no bids in between. If someone had a proxy bid in (do they even do those anymore?) wouldn't that bid show before the next higher takes over?

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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2015, 10:23:33 AM »
Looks stalled at $35K. only 2 guys are bidding on it. What I can't understand is why the current bid holder went from $26.5K to $35K the next day with no bids in between. If someone had a proxy bid in (do they even do those anymore?) wouldn't that bid show before the next higher takes over?

I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think the bid getting beat shows up on that list...it's like the hand of the bidder with the higher max bid entered is being forced, and that higher bid is what shows up.  You see the increments because the person getting beat keeps entering bids to try to get on top.

Then again, the top bidder only has a 4 feedback rating and might be pretty inexperienced.  Maybe he kept bidding against himself thinking he was just raising his max...
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2015, 01:30:09 PM »
For sure, it is a nice one.   But $35K ?   The tins have been repainted and the pipes are repops (nice repops, but still repops) Perhaps the bidder with the big wallet just put his sack on the table.   I think that will be the last bid.  I do love that the owner had it as a driver.

MarkB, I have to politely disagree.  I'd take your #97 when you are done any day over the one on ebay.  The job you are doing on that is what separates the men from the boys.  The attention to detail and the patience involved is truly something you just don't see anymore.

To me, if you paint the tank and have to buy new pipes pipes, you can't really call it original. You may as well do the rest.   But, that's an argument for another day.   I would love to have mine back to see what it would get in today's market vs 4 years ago when I sold it.  It was entirely original except for the pipes.  I sold it with 2 tanks - 1 with fresh paint and left the original tank (that leaked) alone.

I'd take either one and be very happy.
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2015, 03:25:59 PM »
Looks stalled at $35K. only 2 guys are bidding on it. What I can't understand is why the current bid holder went from $26.5K to $35K the next day with no bids in between. If someone had a proxy bid in (do they even do those anymore?) wouldn't that bid show before the next higher takes over?

I haven't been watching this closely to know for sure but maybe he contacted the seller and was told the reserve was $35K and he bid $35K. eBay would accept the jump if it made reserve.

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Then again, the top bidder only has a 4 feedback rating and might be pretty inexperienced.  Maybe he kept bidding against himself thinking he was just raising his max...
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He is raising his max bid. Until some one tops it, you don't know what his max bid is. Inexperienced for sure. Anybody can push his winning bid and cost him more money until they top his max bid and they get to be high bidder. You can see how this works if you click the "Show Automatic Bids" button.


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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2015, 03:47:26 PM »
Regarding the 'some assembly required' .................A few years ago Bob Hansen and Bob Jameson related that American Honda received the first few dozen to maybe 200 bikes from Japan in partially assembled condition........BECAUSE IN THE HASTE TO GET TO MARKET NO SHIPPING CRATES had been designed. The So.Cal. dealers helped to assemble the bikes so they could deliver them to waiting customers.

My bike came to Milwaukee in August of '69.......the wooden crate was hand-built.........when I sold new units in '71 the crates were much sturdier and nicely stenciled.   
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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2015, 03:57:14 PM »
Regarding the 'some assembly required' .................A few years ago Bob Hansen and Bob Jameson related that American Honda received the first few dozen to maybe 200 bikes from Japan in partially assembled condition........BECAUSE IN THE HASTE TO GET TO MARKET NO SHIPPING CRATES had been designed. The So.Cal. dealers helped to assemble the bikes so they could deliver them to waiting customers.

My bike came to Milwaukee in August of '69.......the wooden crate was hand-built.........when I sold new units in '71 the crates were much sturdier and nicely stenciled.   


I knew I read that somewhere.... Thought I was going crazy
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2015, 07:17:44 PM »
No Kev, you're not going crazy. After Dennis' post, maybe now I understand the misunderstanding. All of these bikes were shipped to their destinations with 'some assembly required'. They came off the assembly lines complete and were tested for quality, safety, and vehicle export requirements. The Manufacturer's Statement of Origin has to include both the VIN and the Engine number so at a minimum the frame and engine have to be paired at the factory. They were then partially disassembled for protective wrapping, crating and shipment. And the very early ones were not uniformly disassembled and crated at the factory. They try to minimize the necessary labor and crate size for obvious reasons. Typically they remove the front wheel, front fender, handlebars, mirrors, blinkers, one of the foot pegs, and seat. They also came with a brand new battery in the box that had never been filled or charged and boxes with all the bolts, nuts, washers, fender, and the mirrors etc. to reassemble. I was a Honda mechanic in 1969 at Pasadena Honda and assembled the first one we received. No idea what the VIN was on that first bike as that sort of stuff didn't cross my mind at the time. The very early crates did appear handmade as opposed to the crates they came in after they released the assembly manuals. Some months later, we got one in that had a Japanese Coca Cola bottle in the crate. We thought that was really cool and everybody wanted it for a souvenir. We drew straws for it and I won it!

The 'some assembly required' holds true to this day. I bought one of the new 1100's last year and was present when it was uncrated and assembled. Pretty much came like the SOHC's did back in the day.


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Re: Sweet Sandcast on eBay
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2015, 05:25:13 AM »
To me, if you paint the tank and have to buy new pipes pipes, you can't really call it original.
That's a good point.  I kind of overlooked that.  Still a great bike but not as good as totally original.
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